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Author: | Indy [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Indy Studying Go |
Hello everyone! Nice to meet you ![]() Some background: I discovered the game of Go sometime during the winter of 2008 while I was living in Hokkaido. I did not know what the rules were or even what the game was about, but standing near a table momentarily watching over someones shoulder as they placed their stones... it looked oh-so fantastic. Such geometry! I wanted to learn how to play and to understand what was going on, though it would take me nearly half a decade!! before I actually sat down and did anything about it. I am currently in my third year of a physics degree, so my time for Go is somewhat limited unfortunately. However I will do what I can. My experience is a single solitary year of experience consisting of mere short packets of "real" playing and learning, probably clocking in at around half to one month total learning/playing during that year. Until now, I have only studied some Tsumego (via the Android app Tsumego Pro). So no Fuseki or anything like that. Yet. Maybe soonish. So here I am, now posting my first message on lifein19x19. This is not a study journal chronicling my long journey to shodan or any such thing. I will try progress naturally with no goal in mind. It's simply to help me improve my understanding and quality of game ![]() |
Author: | Indy [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:14 am ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: Indy Studying Go | ||
Edit: I will be posting a game tonight or tomorrow, just for the sake of having a starting point on here so that I may see any progress (hopefully progress anyway). 2nd edit: Here we go, one lost game as ordered! ![]() I realise that I could have lived in the top left and possibly surround that group. I also know that I should have defended some of my corners before he did those numerous invasions :/
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Author: | emeraldemon [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Indy Studying Go |
In general you learn more from reviewing your losses. I don't have much interest in commenting on you beating an easy AI ![]() |
Author: | Indy [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Indy Studying Go |
emeraldemon wrote: In general you learn more from reviewing your losses. I don't have much interest in commenting on you beating an easy AI ![]() I agree fully with that ![]() Tonight or tomorrow I will play until I lose (probably first game hehe), and put it up here. I think I shall remove this first game posted as like you mentioned, it isn't worth much. Thanks! |
Author: | skydyr [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Indy Studying Go |
In this game, there are a lot of situations that imply that black isn't reading ahead. I recommend for every move that you read three moves ahead... that is, I play here, I expect them to play this or that, and if they play this I'll play over here, and if they play that I'll play there. Three moves isn't very deep, but it's far enough to avoid a lot of the issues with losing important strings of stones. When you have a set of stones that's cutting the opponent, it's vital that they stay alive, or the cut becomes meaningless and your other stones can be put into a lot of danger once white is strong and connected. The other takeaway is to make sure your stones stay connected and that white doesn't rip through them without being cut in return. When white cuts through your positions without being cut, it's classic bad shape, as you can only fix one side at a time while each white move attacks both sides. |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:37 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Indy Studying Go |
I agree with skydyr, I think you just need more reading practice. You did well to capture the big white group on the left. But then came this little problem: Before letting that big white chain escape, black had the game well in hand. But even after that mistake I think black still had a good lead (the joy of a handicap!). This next position is a bit harder, but I think if you think about it you can come up with the right move: Finding the key move in a position like this will win or lose the game in an instant. |
Author: | Indy [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Indy Studying Go |
Thanks for the replies! Sorry for replying so late. Thanks skydyr! I certainly will practise reading at least ahead three moves. I'll try read ahead and keep any groups as strong as I can. emeraldemon, after looking at the game again, I think the correct response to 149 is: For the other problem I think this is a solution? I couldn't see anything else that kept him contained: |
Author: | Indy [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Indy Studying Go |
Today I managed to get in three games in (while I should have been working haha). Unfortunately they were all [?] ranked opponents, which after playing them seems like it means that they are new players? I won all three though I do not feel like I learned anything apart from playing against a handicap (my first time). I tried to remember to read three moves ahead always, but found it really easy to forget that when your opponent is playing fast. This resulted in making too many careless mistakes. Perhaps I should adjust the automatch settings in KGS so that I get less [?] opponents somehow. Any suggestions how to do this? |
Author: | tentano [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Indy Studying Go |
It's not a problem that your opponents might be unranked. Once they play enough rated games to get ranked, you'll get credit for winning or losing against someone of that rank. It's a fairly convoluted system. If you really hate it anyway, you can actually set the automatcher to give only rated opponents, though. It's the second item on the "play go" menu. |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Indy Studying Go |
Yup, those were the moves ![]() |
Author: | Indy [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:56 am ] | ||
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Thanks tentano! I'll just leave it the way it is then. It's a bit of a strange system ![]() Thanks =D Will keep on playing emeraldemon. My main goal for now is just to learn to spot silly moves, hopefully during the game but at the very least afterwards while reviewing. Played a fair few games yesterday to make up for little to no playing today and possibly tomorrow. The game attached was was the last of the night. I made a couple of silly mistakes (should hopefully be in the comments), though I found how to capture some stones in a particular way (and avoid it) ![]()
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Author: | tentano [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Indy Studying Go |
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Author: | Indy [ Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Indy Studying Go |
Hi tentano. Thanks for the feedback, though in the game above I am actually black (mayonnaise) ^^ However I still find moves that my opponent could/should have made just as useful as moves I could/should have made (I try to do this when reviewing games that I played so that I can find any weakness I had but were not exploited). So thank you! ![]() I'll go over this game again tonight in whites shoes, though I doubt I will fit in a new game until tomorrow. ***Edit: Oh, and I definitely have a look at Opening Theory Made Easy. Anything that makes openings easier is perfect! ^^ *** |
Author: | Indy [ Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:14 am ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: Indy Studying Go | ||
Hello again everyone! Here is another game that I lost from the other day. I played black in this one. Clocc was a lovely opponent and very friendly ![]() I have pointed out some various moves that I think I should have made, but maybe if someone could tell me better moves that I should have played generally? I am trying to get the feel of how to play a more solid game, as I always leave too many weak spots in order to try gain more territory. Thanks all! =D
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Author: | skydyr [ Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:05 am ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: Indy Studying Go | ||
Some comments:
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Author: | Indy [ Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Indy Studying Go |
Thanks skydyr! Sorry about the late reply, I have lots on my plate at the moment and little time to handle it. I'll run through your comments and suggestions tonight as my training ![]() |
Author: | Indy [ Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:36 am ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: Indy Studying Go | ||
Hello everyone! Here is a game I played yesterday where I take black. Now I know that I lost this game pretty badly even with a handicap, however I also found it extremely enjoyable. Most fun I had in a while in fact. I was trying to play different from my normal style, I was trying to be more solid (which I unfortunately sacrificed speed for) and leave minimal weaknesses behind. I enjoyed it so will give it a few more tries to get it down before giving up on it ![]() I haven't had a chance to review it yet though I will today sometime, as I already know a few moves that I should and should not have made ![]()
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Author: | Indy [ Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:02 am ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: Indy Studying Go | ||
Here is some things I think that I could/should have done in game. Would love some feedback on my general play (am I too slow? Too passive? Too defensive?) If anyone has time of course ![]() Considering that I need to start reading a book or something as just playing isn't going amazing. Heard many good things about "Lessons in the Fundamentals of Go". I think I should also learn some fuseki as I still only know one.
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Author: | tentano [ Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Indy Studying Go |
Here's what I could see: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() them. Playing it out like that is no use. White becomes more solid and you gain nothing. ![]() ![]() ![]() +100 ![]() ![]() +200 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Hope that helps! |
Author: | Indy [ Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Indy Studying Go |
Thanks tentano! Gone over all of your comments and saved them into a sgf file. I found them extremely useful ![]() I attempted to translate your advice to an equal game I played this morning but my opponent resigned too early for me to reliably tell if I did it correctly or or not. Will try another game perhaps this evening if I get some free time, otherwise probably Tuesday as Monday I am busy all day. |
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