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Author: | Tami [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:46 pm ] |
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Author: | Tami [ Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:00 pm ] |
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Author: | EdLee [ Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:08 pm ] |
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Tami wrote: go is a series of case-by-case decisions. Yes.* I need to assess each position on a case-by-case basis - you don't play by prescription, you recall principles according to the situation in front of you, and you read Tami wrote: If I'm tired or depressed, it becomes very hard to play rationally Yes. Under those conditions, hard to play, period. ![]() |
Author: | Tami [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:00 am ] |
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Author: | Tami [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:07 pm ] |
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Author: | John Fairbairn [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:20 am ] |
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Tami, while I wouldn't quibble too much with the ingredients of your thinking, I do think the proportions and the mix are leading to a rather unusual cake. Of course, as with the Red Queen, light and urgent may mean here what you want them to mean, but if they are intended to have a more mainstream meaning, I'd make a point about urgent in particular. (I distrust the SL definition, too, BTW) You appear to be defining urgent on the basis of materialism (profit and loss) while thinking only of forcing moves. Both perfectly good criteria, but not really to do with urgency. The key point of urgency is timing. It's like the American lady who asks God to grant her patience. She wants it NOW! It has nothing to do with whether the opponent will answer. It's urgent simply because it has to be played NOW. Further, a move that is (or risks being) premature cannot be urgent. In the case you show. Black 1 is certainly powerful, but how do you know yet where the best point to attack is? Since you can't know that yet in such an open position, any move is premature. You should be looking elsewhere on the board to create conditions whereby the best point to attack on the right becomes more obvious. Two other things conspire against Black 1 being called urgent. One is that White is not likely to play there in a hurry. If he plays in the Black positions on either side, a splitting attack will develop and the White 2-space extension then will really suffer. If White does add a move to his 2-space extension, which would add nothing significant to his territory, Black can defend one of his virtual territories on either side - that would be territorially big. Furthermore, if Black attacks now, of course he can get a locally superior result - so he should, since he starts with a 5:2 stone ratio. But White has room to get some sort of shape, and any strength White gets here means he can look forward to playing with relative impunity inside either of Black's still open areas, above and below. In summary, this may be a high-priority area for Black in terms of his long-term planning, but it's hardly urgent. If I may try a slightly different approach, think of areas as high definition or low definition. There are no areas here of high definition, where it is crystal clear at this stage how play should proceed. But there a several areas of low definition. In such cases the usual advice is to play in the widest (lowest definition) area. If you get there first, you get more say in how the final picture sharpens up, simply because there is less interference from the opponent. A play on the left side looks tempting to me. That's the main point. But I'd also quibble with introducing "light". That's more of a middle-game or at least tactical concept. It has little place at this early stage of the game when there is still some fuseki left to play. |
Author: | Tami [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:17 am ] |
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Author: | gaius [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:38 am ] |
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These groups are always difficult to handle, I always mess it up... I think that actually the game variation is not so great, even after white replied. Reason is that white gets kind of strong towards the outside. Maybe you could try something like this? (11 at 'a') The point is that you do not want to randomly spring to an attack here until there is a clear goal. Otherwise, what you think is a nice attack could later become aji keshi quite easily. In a variation like below, suddenly sealing black in looks much nicer than attacking. |
Author: | Tami [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:06 pm ] |
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Author: | OtakuViking [ Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:34 am ] |
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I've experienced what you described once or twice before. If I had to describe it, it would be something like a silent vision instead of a noisy monologue. Not thinking but seeing the moves play out, then if it doesn't work, silently trying other variations. But I don't know if that's what you experienced too. Anyway it feels like something to try and pursue and make permanent. Reading like this instead of 'If he plays there I play here' feels much more powerful since you're conserving processing power by leaving out the mental chatter. |
Author: | tapir [ Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:08 pm ] |
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Exactly! I tried to explain this experience various times at SL or L19 but didn't get much feedback. If you don't speak a whole sentence mentally when imagining a move, it is so much faster and so much easier not to lose track after 4-5 moves. My favourite source for second hand experience (Hikaru no Go) has a scene in the first real match of Akira and Hikaru where Hikaru reads out a sequence to see how to answer, but all you see in the anime is a fast animated playthrough, no talking. While this is due to the format, I believe it captures the feeling quite well you have when you progress from verbalised reading to visualised reading. Thank you for sharing. |
Author: | Tsuyoku [ Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:11 pm ] |
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I think you're just getting better at instantly seeing if a situation is good or not. This is a really good thing, too. I just wish I had it with the first 20 moves as much as I have it in local fights >< |
Author: | Tami [ Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:56 pm ] |
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Author: | Tami [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:19 pm ] |
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Author: | EdLee [ Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:40 pm ] |
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Tami wrote: learning the first few hundred kanji was excruciating. Yes, Tami, and here age is a huge factor. For learning thousands of Kanji/Chinese characters and tens of thousands of life-and-death shapes,the differences between a 6-year-old, a 15-year-old, and a 40-year-old beginner are enormous and (quite?) universal. ![]() |
Author: | Tami [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:29 am ] |
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Author: | Solomon [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:13 am ] |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_period_hypothesis |
Author: | BobC [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:45 am ] |
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39 is young... I did a third PT degree at 41 and completed it before any of my younger peers (and held down a full time job + 2 young kids). It just takes discipline and critical evaluation. Very few 6 year olds are able to define optimum learning patterns - they might do OK if you steer them. Actually, having known a lot of world tramps I am amazed at how slowly kids learn new languages. Considering they have the continual focus of parents driven to communicate with them. One of my very bilingual colleagues reckons that he can sound fluent (in patchs) in a western language in around three months. Mainly because he knows how to learn languages. |
Author: | EdLee [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:00 pm ] |
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Tami, I am likely older than you and I have not given up on improving at Go. ![]() I also said none of the things you mentioned: I never said to give up on learning. I think John or someone else posted recently that an 80-year-old Japanese lady finally made 4 dan in Go. All I said is age is a huge factor, and it is: if we look at the starting age of all professional sports and in pro Go and chess, the age factor is indisputable. So as far as an "insurmountable obstacle," I would say making pro is one at our age. But not for learning or improving at Go. Good luck! ![]() |
Author: | Tsuyoku [ Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:44 pm ] |
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Maybe you need to work harder at a higher age, for the same result. But that's nowhere near the same thing as improvement being impossible. So long as your memory is still functional, you should obviously be able to learn. |
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