L19 2011/2012 tournament: PAIRINGS and RESULTS

Marcus · **#201**

Magicwand wrote:

if white cut as below...black will be in trouble.
i will have to think about why...but i know the answer is to cut.

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This is one of my favourite positions. There's one more thing to do before the cut, though. I know two variations (hidden for brevity):

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If Black tries to separate (b), White can cut.

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So, Black can protect the cut, and White gets a large(-ish) corner.

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Second variation:

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A similar position. Black can still protect the cut (a), and again, White gets a large corner:

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The other option for Black is the following:

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is a nice tesuji. Black can't play at 'a':

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Black is in trouble here. Instead, Black should play at :w2:

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In the typical joseki, Black does not exchange :bs:

for

... a slight advantage for White over the usual joseki, as Black has wasted some aji.

gaius · **#202**

ez4u, of course I know that your analysis usually does apply, and usually the hane is bad. But how about this case? I see this:
1) :b1:

and

have a beautiful relationship with the marked stone.
2) Black has sente to play :b5:

, which is huge and makes ALL black stones work together.
3) Black can still look forward to a move like 'a', to connect all the stones and make the moyo reach out over the whole board.
4) If black would've blocked on the other side to begin with, that would have been gote.

Is really everybody disagreeing with me here?

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@Magicwand:

HermanHiddema · **#203**

I think the next round can start, right?

topazg · **#204**

gaius wrote:

Is really everybody disagreeing with me here?

Sounds like it's a comparison between:

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and:

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I'm not strong enough to say, but it feels like swings and roundabouts to me.

perceval · **#205**

topazg wrote:

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I'm not strong enough to say, but it feels like swings and roundabouts to me.

why is

needed in that situation? can B kill otherwise ?
sente seems pretty big here so i would be tempted to tenuki as W if my corner can stay alive

topazg · **#206**

It's not necessary in an absolute sense, but this is pretty painful locally:

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ez4u · **#207**

HermanHiddema wrote:

I think the next round can start, right?

Before all the other questions, I think this is key. The rounds have been slower than expected. Can we make some progress before 2012 rolls around?

ez4u · **#208**

gaius wrote:

ez4u, of course I know that your analysis usually does apply, and usually the hane is bad. But how about this case? I see this:
1) :b1:

and

have a beautiful relationship with the marked stone.
2) Black has sente to play :b5:

, which is huge and makes ALL black stones work together.
3) Black can still look forward to a move like 'a', to connect all the stones and make the moyo reach out over the whole board.
4) If black would've blocked on the other side to begin with, that would have been gote.

Is really everybody disagreeing with me here?

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...

I don't claim to really understand this stuff, but it seems to me that although Black has some nice frameworks here and there, he actually has no territory. Is it going to be enough? I think that White has all kinds of invasion points (see 'a' below). Also Black has some difficulty in how to close the bottom right - it has a poor relationship with the bottom left because White has an easy slide along the bottom. :b5:

in the diagram above (marked stone below) might be better at 'b' because it would leave a follow-up play at 'c'. After :w1:

below, I would not feel very worried as White, since the pressure would be on Black to show how to profit from the plays so far. (P.S. I just got back from dinner with a friend, so if none of this makes sense I blame it on the 2 1/2 bottles of wine consumed. :blackeye:

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Joaz Banbeck · **#209**

HermanHiddema wrote:

I think the next round can start, right?

Yes, it can. But October 17th is a big day for taxes ( April 15 plus the standard 6-month extension plus a weekend ) So, I'll probably not have pairings up until the 18th or late on the 17th.

Aphelion · **#210**

Why aren't the pairings automated, like almost all tournaments are? I think this will do a great deal to minimize effort and have the tournament move along faster.

gurujeet · **#211**

Is the next round going forward?

Joaz Banbeck · **#212**

UPPER BRACKET PAIRINGS - ROUND 4

Code:

Greendemon vs Shadonra
Quantunf vs Laman
Bilapidate vs Kodomo
Stalkor vs Lefuet
Kirby vs Venkman
Marcus vs Lindentree
Lavalamp vs DuskEagle
Lorill vs Redundant

LOWER BRACKET PAIRINGS - ROUND 4

Code:

Terracotta vs Chew
Jtscarry   vs Tofu
f4223n354  vs Aphelion
Psychee    vs ChradH
LiKao      vs Hushfield
CSamurai   vs TimoJ
Oren       vs Gurujeet
Karaklis   vs bye

Redundant · **#213**

Lorill and I will be playing on Tuesday at 2pm EDT (8pm CEST).

perceval · **#214**

why does this "bye" guy keep losing but is still allowed to continue :grumpy:

? so unfair ...

reminds me of this "max" guy who never showed up at any exam nor lesson but always had the best grades

Joaz Banbeck · **#215**

He's not losing. He beat bye last round.
Unfortunately I seem to have misplaced the sgf.

Joaz Banbeck · **#216**

To make it easier to PM your opponent, I'm repeating the player list from the first post. KGS name is on the left, L19 name on the right.

Group 1
5d herminator (Herman Hiddema)
4d Magicwand (Magicwand)
4d Remina (Araban)
4d ez4u (ez4u)

Group 2
3d Kodomo (kivi)
3d venkman (crux)
3d DuskEagle (Dusk Eagle)
2d Laman (Laman)
1d johndoe69 (topazg)
1d lefuet (lefuet)
1d lindentree (lindentree)
1d redundant (redundant)

Group 3
1d teracotta (dedroid)
1k Bilapidate (Joaz Banbeck)
1k Kirby (Kirby)
1k lavalamp (daniel_the_smith)
1k quantumf (quantumf)
1k stalkor (stalkor)
2k Marcus316 (Marcus)
2k Lorill (lorill)

Group 4
3k greendemon (emeraldemon)
3k Chew (Chew Terr)
4k f4223n354 (f4223n354)
4k CSamurai (CSamurai)
4k jtscarry (jts)
4k Psychee (Psychee)
4k LiKao (Li Kao)
5k Danielm (danielm)

Group 5
5k Aphelion02 (Aphelion)
5k oren (oren)
5k TimoJ (tj86430)
5k Tofu (Tofu)
6k tictac (perceval)
6k gurujeet (gurujeet)
6k Phelan (Phelan)
7k karaklis (karaklis)

Group 6
7k Hushfield (Hushfield)
8k Schultz (Schultz)
8k Jordus (Jordus)
8k ChradH (ChradH)
8k Sevis (Sevis)
9k Hailthorn (hailthorn011)
9k Koroviev (Koroviev)
12k Sujisan (Suji)

Laman · **#217**

quantumf and i scheduled our game on Monday, 2030 Johannesburg time ~ 1830 GMT ~ 1930 Prague time. the first timezone is decisive, others are calculated from it (different times always confuse me, so i am never sure about such calculations). and don't mess with summer time, summer time messes with you

stalkor · **#218**

Laman wrote:

quantumf and i scheduled our game on Monday, 2030 Johannesburg time ~ 1830 GMT ~ 1930 Prague time. the first timezone is decisive, others are calculated from it (different times always confuse me, so i am never sure about such calculations). and don't mess with summer time, summer time messes with you

is that before or after the change to winter time?:D

Laman · **#219**

stalkor wrote:

is that before or after the change to winter time?:D

that was actually the tricky part... in Czechia it is after the return to winter time. South Africa doesn't use summer time. please figure the rest from the link, i can't provide any better information

daniel_the_smith · **#220**

Dusk Eagle and I will play Wednesday at 7 central/8 eastern.

L19 2011/2012 tournament: PAIRINGS and RESULTS

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