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Author:  Aphelion [ Wed May 26, 2010 5:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
Thanks, Chew! I'm experimenting with 3-4 pincers in general, so I've been playing almost exclusively 3-4 points in my games. I like that 2 space high pincer quite a bit, often it tricks black into living really cramped and giving White good results on both sides :D. The 1 space low against the high approach also has some nasty variations :).

Edit: Something I forgot to add, thanks to Explo and Shaddy for the excellent review!
Author:  Redundant [ Thu May 27, 2010 3:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
Game Three of Redundant vs. Redstick has been moved to tomorrow at 7pm est.
Author:  Jedo [ Thu May 27, 2010 10:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
Me and Nikolas will be playing game 4 tomorrow night at 8pm est (i think!)
Author:  SoDesuNe [ Fri May 28, 2010 2:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
Karaklis and me are playing our first 2. round match tomorrow at 10am UTC+1.
Author:  Aphelion [ Fri May 28, 2010 10:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
Padic vs Aphelion Game 3 is currently on KGS :)
Author:  Aphelion [ Fri May 28, 2010 1:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
Here is game 3 of the series between Aphelion (B) and Padic (W). Result is B + 10.5. With this I win our series, thanks padic for a great set of games!

Included is a review from Duskeagle and Shaddy.

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[padic]PB[Aphelion02]WR[5k]BR[6k]DT[2010-05-28]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[B+10.50]
;B[qd]BL[1797.559]C[padic [5k\]: enjoy the game
Aphelion02 [6k\]: have a good game
]
;W[dd]WL[1784.817]
;B[pq]BL[1788.626]
;W[dq]WL[1759.252]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: but then i realized
]
(;B[oc]BL[1779.23]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i want to limit the top more
]
(;W[po]WL[1688.301]
;B[pl]BL[1772.357]LB[mo:D][no:A][mp:C][np:B]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: this is a good pincer
padic [5k\]: congratulations on the series by the way :)
Aphelion02 [6k\]: thanks padic :)
padic [5k\]: haha, I had
Aphelion02 [6k\]: isn't B really hard
DuskEagle [2k\]: these moves are normal joseki
padic [5k\]: was actually hoping for your normal tricky move :)
Shadonra [1d\]: lol
Shadonra [1d\]: have a look at redundant's record, like 95% +r
Aphelion02 [6k\]: so i smine :)
Aphelion02 [6k\]: if you clude those
Aphelion02 [6k\]: that are +55
Aphelion02 [6k\]: or so
Shadonra [1d\]: damn
Shadonra [1d\]: you people are violent
Shadonra [1d\]: i only have 60% +r
Shadonra [1d\]: ... and 30% +t
Aphelion02 [6k\]: oh i don't have much +t
Aphelion02 [6k\]: hehe
Shadonra [1d\]: dans apparently hate resigning
Shadonra [1d\]: they'll let time run out
]
;W[qq]WL[1663.285]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: but this move isn't very good when black has pincered here
Shadonra [1d\]: i count by putting my hand in my territory
Shadonra [1d\]: ask myself, can i put my hand in his territory?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: hahaha
Aphelion02 [6k\]: how big are you rhands
Shadonra [1d\]: average, i'd say
Aphelion02 [6k\]: my screen is small
Aphelion02 [6k\]: so if i do that
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i have to kill all
Shadonra [1d\]: well yeah
Shadonra [1d\]: that's the point
padic [5k\]: haha
Shadonra [1d\]: my hand's about half the board on my monitor
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i have a laptop
Shadonra [1d\]: and a significant number of my games end in half the board is mine, half is his
Aphelion02 [6k\]: so mine is about
Aphelion02 [6k\]: the area between the 4 corner star points
Shadonra [1d\]: lol, wow
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but when i was around 8k or so
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i'd never play p17
Aphelion02 [6k\]: it wouldbe f17 for certain
]
;B[qr]BL[1769.371]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i would play r7, but i've been playing it vs him all series
]
;W[qp]WL[1618.918]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: so i was sure he studied
padic [5k\]: what's better, jumping out?
]
;B[or]BL[1707.582]
;W[qm]WL[1555.057]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: this is why it's bad
]
;B[ql]BL[1704.699]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: white gets this bad shape
padic [5k\]: yeah, wasn't very happy with that
DuskEagle [2k\]: and black gets a lot on the right
]
;W[rm]WL[1514.692]
;B[do]BL[1610.099]
;W[co]WL[1493.29]
;B[dp]BL[1571.965]
;W[cp]WL[1486.351]
;B[eq]BL[1568.966]
;W[dr]WL[1467.476]
;B[dn]BL[1548.421]
;W[jq]WL[1392.762]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: *problematic
]
(;B[np]BL[1529.838]
;W[gq]WL[1354.968]
;B[er]BL[1523.752]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: was questionable about this nadare
Aphelion02 [6k\]: maybe o4 was roblematic
Aphelion02 [6k\]: or might be at n3?
]
;W[bq]WL[1292.493]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: maybei should have just played the normal safe joseki
DuskEagle [2k\]: i don't really know avalance too well
DuskEagle [2k\]: this seemed ok enough
]
(;B[hr]BL[1393.863]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: but this is too early
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
Aphelion02 [6k\]: was bad
padic [5k\]: right
]
;W[gr]WL[1221.486]
;B[iq]BL[1323.887]
;W[ip]WL[1142.336]
;B[jr]BL[1318.87]
;W[hq]WL[1136.497]
;B[ir]BL[1315.879]C[padic [5k\]: you too
]
(;W[fp]WL[1133.374]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: very ver tempted to play l3 though
Aphelion02 [6k\]: *very
DuskEagle [2k\]: i didn't really like this move tbh, it felt a bit aji keshi to me
DuskEagle [2k\]: i could be wrong
]
;B[ep]BL[1290.341]
;W[kq]WL[1106.528]
;B[kr]BL[1286.258]
(;W[lp]WL[1063.982]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: this is bad shape
]
;B[mq]BL[1219.062]
;W[lq]WL[1054.516]
;B[lr]BL[1215.077]
;W[fn]WL[1006.636]
;B[cn]BL[1200.133]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: but hyou realy should have played some move
Aphelion02 [6k\]: like pincer
DuskEagle [2k\]: i agree
Aphelion02 [6k\]: or e8
]
(;W[bo]WL[977.642]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i got away with c6
]
;B[el]BL[1170.368]
;W[dj]WL[958.439]
;B[fk]BL[1090.389]
;W[cg]WL[929.783]
;B[go]BL[1047.249]
;W[fo]WL[794.387]
;B[io]BL[1044.165]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: this is a strong attack it seems
]
;W[hp]WL[742.679]
;B[jo]BL[1035.469]
;W[jp]WL[539.884]
(;B[im]BL[995.166]
;W[ko]WL[485.896]
;B[gn]BL[914.721]C[padic [5k\]: it was meant to help in a fight like this
]
;W[mo]WL[451.243]
;B[no]BL[900.286]
;W[nn]WL[352.677]
;B[on]BL[886.883]
;W[mn]WL[336.439]C[padic [5k\]: yeah, I feel like f6 was misplaced
]
;B[km]BL[822.326]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: maybei shoud have taken l5 myself?
]
;W[mp]WL[239.721]
;B[oo]BL[751.038]
;W[kn]WL[200.51]
;B[ll]BL[719.684]C[padic [5k\]: hm, b5 was also pointless yeah
padic [5k\]: but f6 gave me a false sense of security I think
]
(;W[rr]WL[167.895]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: u gotta smell blood in the water :)
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i was in trouble
DuskEagle [2k\]: i think white's move here is forced
]
;B[nl]BL[681.145]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: now black gets this lovely wall
]
;W[mm]WL[137.417]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
padic [5k\]: I thought you'd take the last midpoint
Aphelion02 [6k\]: really didn't want to connect
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but yea that sure was big
]
(;B[ml]BL[638.667]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: i think this is a fine move for black tbh
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea i was miffed white protected this in sente
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but if i didn't protect
padic [5k\]: not sure this was really sente?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i'd have all thoughts of troubles
Aphelion02 [6k\]: *sorts
DuskEagle [2k\]: yeah, but I prefer my groups to be thick for the fight ahead than to just take sente
Aphelion02 [6k\]: plus i like the look of solid walls
DuskEagle [2k\]: me too :)
]
(;W[jd]WL[121.382]C[padic [5k\]: hm, I guess.. still looks better for black to me, I was happy to be able to get a group on top
Aphelion02 [6k\]: quite skeptical of my play after this
Aphelion02 [6k\]: game felt weird for me after this
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i knew that my influence was worth al ot
padic [5k\]: I regret letting you get s8, shouldn't have let the reduction there wait so long :/
Aphelion02 [6k\]: oh yea
Aphelion02 [6k\]: iw as sure u were going to play it
Aphelion02 [6k\]: at any moment
Aphelion02 [6k\]: so the moment u made any move
Aphelion02 [6k\]: that wasn't strictly sente
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i was covering
Aphelion02 [6k\]: it
padic [5k\]: yeah.. you ended up reducing me instead
Aphelion02 [6k\]: haha
DuskEagle [2k\]: i can review the opening if you want
padic [5k\]: sure, that'd be helpful
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yes, please
DuskEagle [2k\]: this may be fine too though
]
(;B[fd]BL[618.885]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: kquestionable?
DuskEagle [2k\]: i think this is a good idea actually - you're looking for something to attack, and white gave you it
]
(;W[gc]WL[107.827]C[CSamurai [5k\]: A cat is fine too.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: huh?
DuskEagle [2k\]: this move is bad shape again - it strengthens black and hurts your own stone when black responds
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i like o16
]
;B[fc]BL[616.134]
;W[gb]WL[99.618]
(;B[fb]BL[568.896]
;W[db]WL[80.077]
;B[gd]BL[554.069]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: was aiming at c17
]
;W[ic]WL[49.254]
;B[hd]BL[532.341]
;W[lc]WL[37.838]
;B[le]BL[495.839]
;W[md]WL[19.62]
;B[me]BL[490.204]
;W[nd]WL[17.782]
;B[of]BL[487.551]
;W[ck]WL[5.312]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: black has a huge center now
]
;B[dl]BL[292.101]
;W[jf]WL[60]OW[5]
(;B[ff]BL[190.074]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i thought this would threaten c15
DuskEagle [2k\]: this makes for a weaker group though
]
(;W[eg]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[fg]BL[155.039]
(;W[ef]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ee]BL[124.413]
;W[de]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[eh]BL[39.201]
;W[dh]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[kg]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[jg]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[jh]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[hg]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[kf]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[je]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ei]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ih]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ii]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ji]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[kh]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[hi]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ij]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[hj]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[hk]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ik]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[jj]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[gk]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[hl]BL[60]OB[5]
(;W[gj]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[gh]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[hh]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[gl]BL[60]OB[5]C[Shadonra [1d\]: why d11?
Shadonra [1d\]: seems meaningless
]
;W[di]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[fj]BL[60]OB[5]C[Shadonra [1d\]: sente i guess
]
;W[od]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[pd]BL[60]OB[5]C[Shadonra [1d\]: probably alive though, in that case s8 is better
Aphelion02 [6k\]: so that must have meant s8 was sente for me
Shadonra [1d\]: or 9
]
(;W[qs]WL[60]OW[2]C[Shadonra [1d\]: good
Aphelion02 [6k\]: well s9
Aphelion02 [6k\]: for white
]
;B[rl]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[pr]WL[60]OW[2]C[padic [5k\]: yeah, just patching up in sente I think
]
;B[oq]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[nc]WL[60]OW[2]C[padic [5k\]: r1 was good?
Shadonra [1d\]: yes
Aphelion02 [6k\]: isn't s8
Aphelion02 [6k\]: bigger
]
;B[ob]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[nb]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[sm]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[rn]WL[60]OW[1]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: oh
]
(;B[sn]BL[60]OB[5]C[Shadonra [1d\]: nah, leave it
Shadonra [1d\]: this is gote
]
;W[so]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[sl]BL[60]OB[5]
(;W[ro]WL[60]OW[1]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i thought it was sente
]
;B[ds]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[cs]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[es]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[cr]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[ga]BL[60]OB[4]
(;W[ib]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[pa]BL[60]OB[4]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: ?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: oh this
Shadonra [1d\]: what
Aphelion02 [6k\]: eh
DuskEagle [2k\]: white should have p19 isntead of j18 imo
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i thought i could threaten
Aphelion02 [6k\]: a ko
Aphelion02 [6k\]: so it would be sente
]
;W[bm]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[na]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ma]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[mb]BL[60]OB[4]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: this is also okay
]
;W[oa]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[cc]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[dc]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[na]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ej]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fi]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[oa]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[df]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[pb]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[dg]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[cf]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[pc]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[qa]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[qb]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[pa]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[cl]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[bl]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[ra]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[na]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[rb]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ha]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fa]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[he]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[kd]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[kc]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[da]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ca]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[ea]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[cb]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[ge]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[hf]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[hc]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[hb]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[os]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[hs]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[is]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[gs]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[bn]BL[60]OB[4]C[Shadonra [1d\]: sorry, my endgame is horrid
Shadonra [1d\]: i can't really review this
Aphelion02 [6k\]: haha
]
;W[an]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[oe]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ld]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[lm]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ln]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fm]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ne]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[nf]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[pn]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[om]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[cm]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[dm]BL[60]OB[4]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: so i am forced to count
]
;W[jn]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[in]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[jm]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[jl]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ho]WL[60]OW[1]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: just kill in midgame
Shadonra [1d\]: nah, kill in opening
Shadonra [1d\]: trick plays
Aphelion02 [6k\]: lol
padic [5k\]: heh
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i think i gained in end game though
DuskEagle [2k\]: g2g cya
Aphelion02 [6k\]: cya dusk
Shadonra [1d\]: i'm never quite comfortable without a 30 pt lead in the opening
Shadonra [1d\]: /shrug
padic [5k\]: including the s8 business I think you certainly gained
Aphelion02 [6k\]: me too, i'm trying to wean myself from it
Aphelion02 [6k\]: so i'm playing more territorially
]
;B[ke]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[hn]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[hm]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[dk]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[ps]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[qr]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[en]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[mr]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[nq]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ls]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[nr]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[id]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[pp]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[gg]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[gi]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[gp]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[gm]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[pm]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[]WL[60]OW[1]TW[aa][ba][ia][ja][ka][la][ab][bb][jb][kb][lb][mb][ac][bc][cc][jc][mc][ad][bd][cd][ae][be][ce][ie][af][bf][if][ag][bg][ig][ah][bh][ch][ai][bi][ci][aj][bj][cj][ak][bk][al][am][qn][ao][lo][qo][ap][bp][kp][rp][sp][aq][cq][rq][sq][ar][br][sr][as][bs][rs][ss]TB[sa][sb][qc][rc][sc][rd][sd][fe][pe][qe][re][se][ef][lf][mf][pf][qf][rf][sf][eg][lg][mg][ng][og][pg][qg][rg][sg][fh][lh][mh][nh][oh][ph][qh][rh][sh][ji][ki][li][mi][ni][oi][pi][qi][ri][si][kj][lj][mj][nj][oj][pj][qj][rj][sj][ik][jk][kk][lk][mk][nk][ok][pk][qk][rk][sk][fl][il][kl][ol][em][op][mr][js][ks][ls][ms][ns]C[padic [5k\]: thanks
Aphelion02 [6k\]: thanks
DuskEagle [2k\]: gg guys
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
Aphelion02 [6k\]: my attack on the bottom
Aphelion02 [6k\]: was so unreasonable
padic [5k\]: very nearly worked though :)
DuskEagle [2k\]: you got a lot out of it though :)
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
DuskEagle [2k\]: it did work
padic [5k\]: well, it did work in the sense that you got that wall
Aphelion02 [6k\]: a little miffed that white got k16
padic [5k\]: very nearly killed, I mean
Aphelion02 [6k\]: nah
Aphelion02 [6k\]: it wouldn't have worked
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i had too much stuff
Aphelion02 [6k\]: to worry about
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i was just hoping to seal
DuskEagle [2k\]: white only got two points - i'd call that working
Aphelion02 [6k\]: well killed i mean
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but yea i was really happy
Aphelion02 [6k\]: to get that huge wall
Aphelion02 [6k\]: man it was hard to use though
padic [5k\]: I was surprised at, IIRC, n8?
])
(;W[hb]C[Shadonra [1d\]: the shape is kind of bad, maybe p18 should be q18
]
;B[na]C[Shadonra [1d\]: this is also sente
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but iwas readingo19
Aphelion02 [6k\]: didn't i ahve to go back
Aphelion02 [6k\]: to fix the cut?
]
;W[ma]
;B[oa]
(;W[pc]
;B[pb]
;W[qc]
;B[qb]
;W[rc]
;B[rb]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: argh
]
;W[rd]
;B[re]
(;W[oe])
(;W[pe]
;B[qe]
;W[oe]
;B[pf]C[Shadonra [1d\]: hm, maybe
]))
(;W[lb]
;B[oe]C[Shadonra [1d\]: or patch like this
Aphelion02 [6k\]: ahh
])))
(;W[ds]
;B[ro]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: r6?
Shadonra [1d\]: .. doh?
Shadonra [1d\]: my endgame is crap
]
;W[sp]))
(;B[oa])
(;B[na])
(;B[ds]))
(;W[rk]C[padic [5k\]: wasn't sure about that one, played it out of nervousness
]
;B[rl]
;W[sl]
;B[rs]
;W[sr]
;B[pn]
;W[qn]
;B[ro]C[Shadonra [1d\]: the group's kind of in trouble
Shadonra [1d\]: i can't see if it's alive or dead
])
(;W[rl]
;B[rk]))
(;W[gl]LB[gj:A][fm:B]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: oops
DuskEagle [2k\]: this looks very bad for black
Aphelion02 [6k\]: game
DuskEagle [2k\]: i think he's dead
padic [5k\]: ouch
padic [5k\]: should've seen that
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea i was playig a really dangerous game
Aphelion02 [6k\]: haneing
Shadonra [1d\]: i think b can live
DuskEagle [2k\]: yep
Shadonra [1d\]: play b
DuskEagle [2k\]: really?
Shadonra [1d\]: start with f7
Shadonra [1d\]: it's sente
DuskEagle [2k\]: oops
]
(;B[em]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: f7
]
;W[fm]C[Shadonra [1d\]: that's e7
])
(;B[fm]C[Shadonra [1d\]: f10 is a good defense
]
(;W[gm]
;B[gj]
;W[hm]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: hmm
Shadonra [1d\]: can't break through
padic [5k\]: does e10 work, after f7?
]
;B[il])
(;W[ej]C[padic [5k\]: hm, no
])
(;W[gj]
;B[gm]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: gah
]
;W[ej]C[Shadonra [1d\]: that is g10
]
;B[fj]
;W[fi]C[Shadonra [1d\]: :-D
])
(;W[fj]C[Shadonra [1d\]: can b afford to give those up?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i think g12 aji will save those
DuskEagle [2k\]: black only won by 10, so I don't think he can give these up and win
Shadonra [1d\]: well, it's half-alive
DuskEagle [2k\]: well, I had to go out after this part, so that's all I can review
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
Aphelion02 [6k\]: this is a problem
Aphelion02 [6k\]: shaddy, mind continuing?
Shadonra [1d\]: sure
padic [5k\]: thanks de
Aphelion02 [6k\]: thanks duskeagle!
]
;B[gh]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: since white will e10
]
;W[hh]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: erm maybe not now
]))))
(;W[eh]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: keep ahead in the push battle
]
;B[fh]
(;W[gi])
(;W[fi])))
(;W[fh]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: but he played e17, and i was just
Aphelion02 [6k\]: ugh
DuskEagle [2k\]: i might play this way as white actually
DuskEagle [2k\]: i want black driven to the right
DuskEagle [2k\]: so that i as white can enter the white area
DuskEagle [2k\]: *black area
]))
(;B[gg]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: better running shape
Aphelion02 [6k\]: wanted sente
]))
(;B[gd]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Internet meme, sorry.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: mm
DuskEagle [2k\]: seems better
padic [5k\]: what should white play instead of g17?
]))
(;W[hd]LB[mc:A]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: this is a good point for both
DuskEagle [2k\]: makes a base for both sides
padic [5k\]: ah right, more center-oriented
Aphelion02 [6k\]: ahh
DuskEagle [2k\]: white can aim for A later
DuskEagle [2k\]: after black's run out
]))
(;B[lc])
(;B[ld]))
(;W[ec]C[padic [5k\]: hmm
padic [5k\]: now black gets a huge framework?
DuskEagle [2k\]: white could take the corner like this, and black can't attack you
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but k16 for black gets really scary moyo
DuskEagle [2k\]: just a though
]
;B[jd]C[padic [5k\]: how does white proceed?
]
(;W[qe]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: o16?
])
(;W[jf]LB[rk:A]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: i might play this at my level
DuskEagle [2k\]: there's still a white move here
DuskEagle [2k\]: at 'A"
])))
(;B[jd]
;W[ml]
;B[mk]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: but ugh
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i like solid walls
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i guess
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i didn't want
Aphelion02 [6k\]: to have those cutting points materialize
Aphelion02 [6k\]: then i'd be losing chunks of stones
Aphelion02 [6k\]: here and there
Aphelion02 [6k\]: at n5
Aphelion02 [6k\]: and if it somehow affectd f9
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i was in big trouble
]))
(;W[nl]
;B[rq]
;W[rp]
;B[rr]
;W[rl]
;B[rk]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: i think white will die here
Aphelion02 [6k\]: mm
DuskEagle [2k\]: maybe white can do something - it's hard though
]
;W[pn]
;B[sl]))
(;B[ko]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: yeah, i think this would be good aphelion
]))
(;W[dk]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: haha i feel like magic wand
])
(;W[ck]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: such a hard group to run with
]))
(;W[lq]
;B[lr]
;W[mq]
;B[mr]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea i regretted this
Aphelion02 [6k\]: very very much
DuskEagle [2k\]: make black crawl
]))
(;W[kq]
;B[kr]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: he got quite a nice shape
]
;W[lq]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: at what point?
]
;B[lr]
;W[mq]
;B[mr]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: this would be perfect for white
padic [5k\]: can't black cut?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: black cut you kill
]
;W[ho]LB[ep:A]C[padic [5k\]: hmm, not this early I guess.. haven't counted
padic [5k\]: would have to be at one of the latest moves if at all
Aphelion02 [6k\]: f was a nice move
DuskEagle [2k\]: second line is line of defeat, and black's wall looks weak
Aphelion02 [6k\]: f4
Aphelion02 [6k\]: the problm was b5 really padic
Aphelion02 [6k\]: *problem
DuskEagle [2k\]: if white had played like this, black would still have a cutting point here
DuskEagle [2k\]: and it's harder to attack
]))
(;B[lq]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: you could do this aphelion
Aphelion02 [6k\]: it feels slow though
DuskEagle [2k\]: though it feels overconcentrated
]))
(;B[lq]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: go all the way to m3 i think
Aphelion02 [6k\]: oh yea m3
Aphelion02 [6k\]: thats what i meant
]))
(;W[qo]C[Shadonra [1d\]: no one plays this approach >.<
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i do
CSamurai [5k\]: No one?
CSamurai [5k\]: At all, ever?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: if i have top right
Shadonra [1d\]: very rare for me to see it
CSamurai [5k\]: I find that hard to believe. :)
]
;B[pl]
;W[op]
;B[pp]
;W[po]
;B[oo]C[Shadonra [1d\]: ok, what's w's next move
Aphelion02 [6k\]: woah
Aphelion02 [6k\]: p6
Aphelion02 [6k\]: for white
Aphelion02 [6k\]: p4?
CSamurai [5k\]: p4 is already played.
Shadonra [1d\]: that's already on the board
Aphelion02 [6k\]: o4
CSamurai [5k\]: p3?
Shadonra [1d\]: again, you're so violent
Shadonra [1d\]: this is a tesuji
]
(;W[on]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: that feels natura?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: oh no
]
;B[no]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i thought for black
Aphelion02 [6k\]: mm
])
(;W[np]
;B[on]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: s3
]
;W[rq]
;B[nr]C[Shadonra [1d\]: hmm
])
(;W[pm]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: what
Aphelion02 [6k\]: ahh
Shadonra [1d\]: dammit, what was the other joseki
Shadonra [1d\]: oh yeah
]
(;B[np]C[Shadonra [1d\]: yeah
]
;W[on]
;B[no]
(;W[ql])
(;W[ol]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: 123 principle
]))
(;B[on]
;W[om]
;B[pn]
;W[qn]
;B[qm]
;W[ql]
;B[rm]
;W[rl])
(;B[ol])
(;B[ql])
(;B[no]
;W[om]
;B[ql]
(;W[nq]C[Shadonra [1d\]: i think the idea is to leave this move for later
Aphelion02 [6k\]: thats so messed up
]
;B[mq]
;W[mr]
;B[nr]
;W[or]
;B[oq]
(;W[np])
(;W[ns]
;B[np]
;W[lq]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i don't like this for white
Shadonra [1d\]: black's corner isn't alive yet
CSamurai [5k\]: This looks like something I'd come up with.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but no ko threat?
]
;B[nr]
;W[ol]
(;B[pj]
;W[nq]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: mmm
]
(;B[mp]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: what if black just connect
Aphelion02 [6k\]: and ignore
Aphelion02 [6k\]: p8
])
(;B[pg]
;W[mp]
;B[mn]
;W[ll]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: eh black cannot allow n4
Shadonra [1d\]: it's certainly not comfortable
Shadonra [1d\]: that's true
]))
(;B[nq]
;W[pi]C[Shadonra [1d\]: ok, free profit
CSamurai [5k\]: Black may not be alive, but he's certainly out into the center.
]
;B[ok]
;W[pk]
;B[pj]
;W[oj]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Hard to seal in, even if you win the ko.
]
;B[qk]
;W[nk])))
(;W[mm]
;B[ph]
;W[jq]
;B[mq]C[Shadonra [1d\]: right
Shadonra [1d\]: there are messed up joseki in this world
Shadonra [1d\]: and if you don't know them i'm going to play them on you
Shadonra [1d\]: later!
Aphelion02 [6k\]: -_-
Aphelion02 [6k\]: note to self: play 3-3 vs shaddy
CSamurai [5k\]: But, the approach with black's upper right corner is pretty rare.
padic [5k\]: heh
CSamurai [5k\]: Usually you'll see a wedge.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: really
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i had 3-4 not 4-4 though
]))))
(;W[qk]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: seriously do not like playing vs them
]
;B[qi]
;W[qn]
;B[rp]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Black's happy with this result, white has to be sweating a little.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i'd be satisfied with this as black
padic [5k\]: yeah
Aphelion02 [6k\]: r9 is not good direction imo
CSamurai [5k\]: The ideal extension at r11 is very nice.
])
(;W[qi]C[CSamurai [5k\]: these are common.
padic [5k\]: r8 instead of r9, does that work?
]
(;B[qk]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Want to see what I see most of the time?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: this is fine?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: mini chinese?
]
(;W[qf]
(;B[do]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: this?
CSamurai [5k\]: Something like that.
])
(;B[qn]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Better for white.
])
(;B[pn]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea i think those shimari first fusekis for black
CSamurai [5k\]: Black is looser.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: are really obnoxious
]))
(;W[po]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: this?
CSamurai [5k\]: I play this opening almost exclusively. ;)
CSamurai [5k\]: I rarely see this.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: show :)
]))
(;B[ql]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: not severe enough for my taste
padic [5k\]: seems to work better if you get the enclosure later
CSamurai [5k\]: r9 is better, needs a followup.
padic [5k\]: okay
]))
(;W[qj]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: that looks normal
CSamurai [5k\]: This is kinda wishy washy for white.
]
;B[ql]
(;W[qg]
;B[po]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Black settles for strong territory in both corners.
CSamurai [5k\]: White has a move, but nothing is strongly attackable.
])
(;W[po]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: definitely overplay style
CSamurai [5k\]: This one is interesting, but, yes, overplay.
]
;B[qo]
;W[qn]
;B[qp]
;W[pn]
;B[ol]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
Aphelion02 [6k\]: o5
]
(;W[no]
;B[nq]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: no
Aphelion02 [6k\]: o6
Aphelion02 [6k\]: will be at p3
CSamurai [5k\]: o5?
])
(;W[oq]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: sorry
]
;B[or]
;W[nq]
;B[pi]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Fine by black.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: cutcut!
CSamurai [5k\]: Cut where?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: q10
]
;W[pj]
;B[oj]
(;W[qi]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yes, but if i were in the mood to play r5
]
;B[ph]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: nah
]
;W[qh]
;B[pg]
;W[qf]
;B[pk]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: p11 :)
Aphelion02 [6k\]: for maximal overplay
CSamurai [5k\]: Common.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: not r11
CSamurai [5k\]: This is common.
])
(;W[oi]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i'd cut too :)
]
;B[qi]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Now what?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: p9
]
;W[ok]
;B[nj]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: q9
CSamurai [5k\]: Now what?
]
;W[pk]
;B[nk]
;W[pl]
;B[pm]
;W[qm]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea black should seal
]
;B[om]
;W[rl]
;B[rj]
;W[qk]
;B[rk]
;W[ql]
;B[oh]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Now what?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: doesn't work :(
CSamurai [5k\]: Yeah.
CSamurai [5k\]: :)
CSamurai [5k\]: Black gets strength and influence everywhere.
CSamurai [5k\]: Thrilled to be here.
]
;W[nl]
;B[nm]
;W[ml]
;B[mm]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Can continue ugly fights, throw good stones after bad.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: ok, i g2g
CSamurai [5k\]: Won't get much better though.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: thanks csamurai :
Aphelion02 [6k\]: )
CSamurai [5k\]: No problem. :)
Aphelion02 [6k\]: padic, good luck next round!
padic [5k\]: thanks :)
Aphelion02 [6k\]: thanks for the games
])))))
(;B[fc]C[Shadonra [1d\]: funny, i'd also play f17
]
(;W[cf]
;B[kc]C[padic [5k\]: f17? approaching a 4-4 before the 3-4s?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea i like that
])
(;W[hc]
;B[nc]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i had no games
Aphelion02 [6k\]: within 30 points
])))[/sgf-full]
Author:  Redundant [ Fri May 28, 2010 5:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
I lost game three of Redundant vs. Redstick. The record is 2-1


I completely lost track of the score, and overplayed severely to lose. Next game is Monday at 8:30 est.
Author:  SoDesuNe [ Sat May 29, 2010 4:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
First game, Karaklis (Black) vs SoDesuNe (White): W+9.5

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[SoDesuNe]PB[karaklis]WR[6k]BR[9k]DT[2010-05-29]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[SoDesuNe [6k\]: Gutes Spiel!
karaklis [9k?\]: viel spaß :-)
]RE[W+9.50]
;B[qd]BL[1787.515]C[SoDesuNe [6k\]: Dir auch!
]
;W[dp]WL[1796.412]
;B[pq]BL[1777.306]
;W[dd]WL[1793.66]
;B[oc]BL[1773.529]
;W[po]WL[1728.019]
;B[qm]BL[1741.507]
;W[on]WL[1707.901]
;B[qo]BL[1715.253]
;W[qp]WL[1667.688]
;B[pp]BL[1696.589]
;W[qn]WL[1665.447]
;B[oo]BL[1688.998]
;W[ro]WL[1655.324]
;B[pj]BL[1675.328]C[SoDesuNe [6k\]: tut mir leid
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Batterie hat gesponnen
karaklis [9k?\]: kein problem
Loons [4k\]: Hmm
]
;W[no]WL[1514.822]
;B[mq]BL[1644.123]C[Loons [4k\]: Good game, many something, you also, tut mir leid-> something bad has happened? Batterie has done something, but it's no problem
catsoldier [6k\]: Interesting translation, loons
catsoldier [6k\]: ^^
Loons [4k\]: I took german in my first year of highschool!
Loons [4k\]: Half of it, anyway
]
;W[op]WL[1416.31]
;B[oq]BL[1637.819]C[catsoldier [6k\]: ^^
Loons [4k\]: Does tut mir leid mean "hurt my song"
Loons [4k\]: It bemuses me
catsoldier [6k\]: lol
]
;W[np]WL[1349.811]C[catsoldier [6k\]: you're mixing up "leid" with "lied" : )
Loons [4k\]: ahh
catsoldier [6k\]: tut mir leid means I'm sorry
]
;B[cn]BL[1606.198]
;W[fq]WL[1326.749]C[Loons [4k\]: Oh, "It does me sorrow"
catsoldier [6k\]: yeah, sorta
]
;B[dj]BL[1591.811]C[Loons [4k\]: Alright I'm kinda on board here
]
;W[kq]WL[1291.821]C[catsoldier [6k\]: and batterie hat gesponnen means literally the battery was spinning = going nuts
catsoldier [6k\]: Is this a Kukinashi game?
Loons [4k\]: The name would suggest so
]
;B[nq]BL[1557.859]C[Loons [4k\]: huh, which is now not visible
Loons [4k\]: O3 was m a mistake for black to tenuki, incidentally
Loons [4k\]: Consider had white played there, black dies one side at least
]
;W[lp]WL[1235.938]
;B[qq]BL[1545.928]C[catsoldier [6k\]: dying, my specialty : )
catsoldier [6k\]: especially in the corner
Loons [4k\]: I could challenge you for that crown
catsoldier [6k\]: Interesting to see these two play
]
;W[cg]WL[1120.678]C[Loons [4k\]: White needs a move that fixes the top left situation
Loons [4k\]: Huh, beaten there
catsoldier [6k\]: last year karaklis studies thousands of tsumegos, and this year sodesune is planning to do the same
]
;B[fc]BL[1529.834]C[catsoldier [6k\]: d17
Loons [4k\]: Hm, I must try that too
catsoldier [6k\]: the tsumegos? Karaklis complained of burnout because of it
Loons [4k\]: Doesn't the cut at N4 need to be fixed ?
catsoldier [6k\]: that's a good question
]
;W[ic]WL[1007.182]
;B[db]BL[1518.737]C[catsoldier [6k\]: w would have little trouble living if he got cut there, but his influence would be shot
]
;W[cc]WL[991.573]
;B[fe]BL[1512.012]
;W[lc]WL[988.785]
;B[bp]BL[1496.7]
;W[en]WL[946.01]C[catsoldier [6k\]: now the cut
]
;B[kd]BL[1480.291]
;W[kc]WL[891.946]C[catsoldier [6k\]: this plans for big influence towards the right for black, no?
]
;B[me]BL[1457.09]C[Loons [4k\]: Yes, but tbh I would play the normal move at J16
catsoldier [6k\]: yep
Loons [4k\]: Because that fixes F15 stones, who are currently sad
]
;W[qk]WL[711.538]
;B[pk]BL[1432.218]
;W[ql]WL[709.2]
;B[pl]BL[1428.035]C[Loons [4k\]: Overplay
]
;W[rm]WL[685.581]
;B[qj]BL[1422.271]C[catsoldier [6k\]: s7 premature? w could have pushed first
Loons [4k\]: Yes, I think so
Loons [4k\]: S7 and Q7 were miai I was thinking
]
;W[jd]WL[601.541]
;B[lk]BL[1400.821]
;W[ke]WL[561.346]
;B[cb]BL[1386.929]
;W[bb]WL[529.893]
;B[cq]BL[1382.923]C[catsoldier [6k\]: k16 too defensive. Looks to me like a candidate for the losing move
]
;W[bj]WL[382.717]
;B[in]BL[1350.676]
;W[ip]WL[261.653]
;B[lr]BL[1344.588]
;W[kr]WL[226.691]
;B[er]BL[1329.512]
;W[fr]WL[220.373]
;B[hb]BL[1322.94]
;W[il]WL[201.479]
;B[km]BL[1287.154]
;W[jm]WL[195.807]
;B[jn]BL[1278.249]
;W[kn]WL[194.768]
;B[jl]BL[1272.105]
;W[im]WL[191.888]
;B[lm]BL[1244.017]
;W[rq]WL[52.944]
;B[rr]BL[1237.551]
;W[rj]WL[40.921]
;B[ri]BL[1231.532]
;W[rk]WL[39.42]
;B[qh]BL[1213.315]
;W[nb]WL[33.793]
;B[ob]BL[1207.116]
;W[md]WL[16.669]
;B[nd]BL[1196.246]
;W[nc]WL[4.865]
;B[oe]BL[1174.753]
;W[el]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[fj]BL[1141.471]C[lemming [-\]: whatcha talking about?
Loons [4k\]: What rank is Karaklis accurately ?
catsoldier [6k\]: just kibbitzing about the game
Loons [4k\]: I was translating some german before
Loons [4k\]: Not very well!
lemming [-\]: karaklis is not 9k
lemming [-\]: more like 10-11
]
;W[lh]WL[60]OW[4]C[Loons [4k\]: He seems to be doing rather well ?
catsoldier [6k\]: II doubt that Karaklis has gotten weaker than 7k, but he seems to think so
lemming [-\]: I agree with him :)
]
;B[lf]BL[1084.25]C[catsoldier [6k\]: which moves are 9k mistakes, lemming?
]
;W[kg]WL[60]OW[4]C[lemming [-\]: so many
]
;B[ik]BL[1072.179]C[Loons [4k\]: I make a lot of 9k mistakes, god knows how I'm 4k
lemming [-\]: r5 is the first
Loons [4k\]: Should be R10?
]
;W[gl]WL[60]OW[3]C[lemming [-\]: p5 the next, q10 also
catsoldier [6k\]: I would have played r5 too : )
]
;B[kf]BL[1055.213]
;W[ij]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[hl]BL[1043.106]
;W[hm]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[hk]BL[1040.536]C[lemming [-\]: l16, n15
lemming [-\]: p9
]
;W[gk]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[gm]BL[1025.783]C[lemming [-\]: white made more mistakes though, so it's evening out
]
;W[hn]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[gn]BL[1022.45]
;W[ho]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[hj]BL[1018.691]C[catsoldier [6k\]: what is the problem with l16?
]
;W[gj]WL[60]OW[3]C[lemming [-\]: wrong spot
]
;B[hi]BL[1009.171]C[Loons [4k\]: What is wrong with that move -> it is in the wrong place
catsoldier [6k\]: lol
]
;W[gi]WL[60]OW[3]C[catsoldier [6k\]: should be elsewhere
]
;B[hh]BL[972.254]C[catsoldier [6k\]: if b gets k14, goodnight
]
;W[eh]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[cl]BL[936.828]
;W[ck]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[dl]BL[927.535]
;W[dk]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[em]BL[871.966]
;W[fm]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[dm]BL[869.259]
;W[fl]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[jf]BL[846.298]
;W[oa]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[pa]BL[843.051]
;W[na]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[pb]BL[838.349]
;W[ib]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ia]BL[833.222]
;W[ja]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ha]BL[831.544]
;W[kb]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[bd]BL[817.415]
;W[bc]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[de]BL[814.748]
;W[ce]WL[60]OW[2]C[lemming [-\]: b16 is another 10k mistake
]
;B[df]BL[803.201]
;W[cf]WL[60]OW[2]C[catsoldier [6k\]: nah. 7k mistake ^^
lemming [-\]: actually worse than 10k :)
]
;B[ln]BL[768.409]C[catsoldier [6k\]: I think you've forgotten how weak 10k really is : )
]
;W[ko]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ks]BL[764.004]
;W[js]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ls]BL[761.735]
;W[jr]WL[60]OW[2]C[lemming [-\]: maybe
]
;B[eq]BL[753.875]
;W[ep]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[fs]BL[750.088]C[catsoldier [6k\]: b16 wants a bit of aji to help him reduce
]
;W[gs]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[dq]BL[722.501]C[lemming [-\]: I know what it wants, but it does not reduce
lemming [-\]: it helps
]
;W[nl]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[nk]BL[718.323]
;W[ml]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ll]BL[711.449]
;W[mk]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[mj]BL[706.584]
;W[sr]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[qs]BL[692.687]
;W[bl]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[bm]BL[683.904]
;W[am]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[an]BL[676.328]C[lemming [-\]: mistake
]
;W[dn]WL[60]OW[2]C[lemming [-\]: again, 10k
lemming [-\]: :)
]
;B[cm]BL[633.778]C[lemming [-\]: noooeees xD
Loons [4k\]: ahh
]
;W[co]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[al]BL[631.753]
;W[bo]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[bk]BL[625.393]
;W[cj]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ao]BL[617.943]
;W[aj]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ak]BL[592.343]
;W[cp]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[bq]BL[586.702]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ds]BL[583.498]C[Loons [4k\]: I want to see b O7
]
;W[hc]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[gb]BL[572.525]
;W[gc]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[fa]BL[568.018]C[lemming [-\]: w threw away victory here I think
lemming [-\]: could've killed the corner
lemming [-\]: under the right circumstances
]
;W[lq]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[mr]BL[560.522]
;W[ec]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[eb]BL[528.348]
;W[fd]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fb]BL[510.057]
;W[gf]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[gh]BL[477.296]
;W[ff]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fi]BL[467.178]
;W[fh]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fn]BL[454.412]C[lemming [-\]: now b is just gone
]
;W[ek]WL[60]OW[1]C[lemming [-\]: what
lemming [-\]: söfkaj
]
;B[dc]BL[429.505]C[lemming [-\]: sometimes I don't get the way they play :)
]
;W[ed]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[bn]BL[381.072]
;W[fo]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[hf]BL[365.304]
;W[ok]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[nj]BL[360.012]
;W[ol]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[je]BL[353.21]
;W[ld]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[he]BL[286.642]C[Loons [4k\]: I somehow was sure that B was winning
]
;W[oj]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[oi]BL[283.488]
;W[ge]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[nm]BL[254.597]
;W[om]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[lj]BL[218.014]
;W[pm]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fs]BL[195.705]
;W[pr]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[or]BL[189.695]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[mb]BL[185.196]
;W[mc]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fs]BL[182.785]
;W[pi]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[qi]BL[179.416]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[eo]BL[172.176]
;W[go]WL[60]OW[1]C[Loons [4k\]: hang on there are real points left
]
;B[ph]BL[163.758]
;W[si]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[sh]BL[160.152]
;W[sj]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fs]BL[146.885]
;W[rh]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[rg]BL[143.4]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fn]BL[140.756]
;W[gn]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fs]BL[137.096]
;W[sg]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[sf]BL[134.517]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fp]BL[132.354]
;W[gp]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fs]BL[130.408]
;W[ca]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[da]BL[126.464]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[ka]BL[119.447]
;W[jb]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fs]BL[117.32]
;W[gr]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[es]BL[112.809]
;W[mm]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[mo]BL[107.442]C[lemming [-\]: g2 vor what purpose?
lemming [-\]: *for
]
;W[mp]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[mn]BL[102.47]
;W[nn]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[gg]BL[84.482]
;W[fg]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[ba]BL[67.015]
;W[ab]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[hd]BL[34.72]
;W[gd]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[le]BL[30.194]
;W[kd]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[id]BL[15.334]C[SoDesuNe [6k\]: gutes Endspiel von dir ^^
karaklis [9k?\]: hmm, endspiel kann ich eigentlich gar nicht...
karaklis [9k?\]: ^__^
lemming [-\]: agreed
lemming [-\]: war schlechtes endspiel
]
;W[lo]WL[60]OW[1]C[lemming [-\]: im endspiel hat ers spiel verloren
SoDesuNe [6k\]: besser als ich auf jeden Fall =D
]
;B[rs]BL[60]OB[5]C[lemming [-\]: herst du hast d15 im endspiel gfangen :)
]
;W[]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[ca]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[cd]WL[60]OW[1]C[karaklis [9k?\]: ein pünktchen nehm ich noch mit
SoDesuNe [6k\]: ^^
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Ich glaube, du stehst eh ~20 vorne ^^
]
;B[]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[]WL[60]OW[1]TW[ka][la][ma][lb][mb][ac][jc][ad][bd][ae][be][de][ee][fe][af][bf][df][ef][ag][bg][dg][eg][ah][bh][ch][dh][ai][bi][ci][di][ei][fi][dj][ej][fj][fk][sk][rl][sl][gm][nm][qm][sm][fn][in][jn][pn][rn][sn][do][eo][io][jo][oo][qo][so][fp][hp][jp][kp][rp][sp][gq][hq][iq][jq][hr][ir][hs][is]TB[ea][ga][qa][ra][sa][qb][rb][sb][pc][qc][rc][sc][od][pd][rd][sd][ie][ne][pe][qe][re][se][if][mf][nf][of][pf][qf][rf][hg][ig][jg][kg][lg][mg][ng][og][pg][qg][sg][ih][jh][kh][lh][mh][nh][oh][rh][ii][ji][ki][li][mi][ni][pi][ij][jj][kj][jk][kk][bl][kl][am][ap][aq][ar][br][cr][dr][nr][pr][qr][as][bs][cs][ms][ns][os][ps]C[SoDesuNe [6k\]: oh
SoDesuNe [6k\]: ^^
karaklis [10k?\]: danke fürs spiel
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Dir auch
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Habe ich mich ja krass verschätzt
karaklis [10k?\]: wie das?
SoDesuNe [6k\]: kA, dachte das dein Eck-Zentrum da so groß ist, wie alle meine Gruppen bis auf die linke Seite
karaklis [10k?\]: lol
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Ja ^^
karaklis [10k?\]: wann spielen wir nächstes mal?
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Hm, wir können heute nochmal, wenn du magst
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Sonst wird es bis Montag evtl
karaklis [10k?\]: heute abend?
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Dann erst wieder Freitag
karaklis [10k?\]: 19:00?
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Geht 18:30?
karaklis [10k?\]: geht auch
karaklis [10k?\]: wenn nicht, melde ich mich
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Wäre besser für mich
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Alles klar. danke dir für's Spiel und bis heute Abend dann!
karaklis [10k?\]: ok sagen wir 18:30 dann
karaklis [10k?\]: bis dann
SoDesuNe [6k\]: baba
])[/sgf-full]
Author:  Jedo [ Sat May 29, 2010 2:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
I won my last game with Nikolas although it was close. Game record is below. We're tied 2-2, and tiebreaker is sunday at 3pm est!
Author:  Nikolas73 [ Sun May 30, 2010 3:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
I won the fifth game between Jedo and myself, winning the series 3-2. Thanks Jedo, it was fun!

Here is our game. Thanks to ExplO 2d for reviewing. The SGF is a little confusing as Aphelion02 and I reviewed it before ExplO joined, but you can still see all the comments.

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[Jedo]PB[Nikolas73]WR[4k]BR[5k]DT[2010-05-30]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: Have fun
Jedo [4k\]: have a godo game
Nikolas73 [5k\]: Thanks for coming, you have control
ExplO [2d\]: thanks
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[qd]BL[1791.642]
;W[dd]WL[1791.977]
;B[pq]BL[1787.447]
;W[dq]WL[1785.155]C[ExplO [2d\]: if you enclose here
]
(;B[qo]BL[1771.413]
(;W[oc]WL[1762.58]
;B[od]BL[1752.204]C[ExplO [2d\]: its not really a joseki
ExplO [2d\]: it is, one line higher
]
;W[nd]WL[1756.778]
;B[oe]BL[1748.615]
;W[pc]WL[1750.862]
;B[qc]BL[1745.681]
;W[lc]WL[1741.642]
(;B[qf]BL[1738.055]
;W[jp]WL[1731.426]TR[cn][dn]C[ExplO [2d\]: because of the stone at k4, it's more common to approach further
ExplO [2d\]: as in the kobayashi opening
]
;B[do]BL[1729.698]
;W[dl]WL[1720.328]
(;B[cq]BL[1648.571]
;W[cr]WL[1705.397]
;B[cp]BL[1622.709]
(;W[eq]WL[1689.922]C[ExplO [2d\]: e3 is very weird
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I thought, maybe Black should play F5 here
Nikolas73 [5k\]: but I figured then Black would be too easy to attack
Nikolas73 [5k\]: ah
]
(;B[cm]BL[1582.864]
;W[cl]WL[1684.436]
;B[bm]BL[1579.119]
;W[bl]WL[1661.228]
(;B[lq]BL[1561.695]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: go to f16
]
;W[br]WL[1650.696]
;B[bq]BL[1553.545]
;W[kq]WL[1640.482]C[ExplO [2d\]: l3 is not good shape
ExplO [2d\]: it help black more than white
]
(;B[lr]BL[1519.477]
;W[ao]WL[1611.532]C[ExplO [2d\]: this is hard to understand
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I thought A5 should have been at B5, perhaps
Nikolas73 [5k\]: but Black still has the option of running out...
ExplO [2d\]: I think both are bad
ExplO [2d\]: yes
Nikolas73 [5k\]: maybe White should try something like F5 first?
ExplO [2d\]: it's better to enclose black
ExplO [2d\]: and force him to live
ExplO [2d\]: yes
Nikolas73 [5k\]: right
]
;B[bo]BL[1494.186]
;W[aq]WL[1573.516]
;B[ap]BL[1473.699]
;W[dh]WL[1541.681]
;B[pk]BL[1421.223]
;W[pr]WL[1536.746]
(;B[qr]BL[1412.856]
;W[oq]WL[1518.633]
;B[pp]BL[1389.214]
;W[lp]WL[1511.755]
;B[mp]BL[1383.306]
;W[mo]WL[1496.947]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: wow i really don't like black's fuseki
]
;B[np]BL[1372.727]
;W[no]WL[1485.159]
(;B[oo]BL[1357.098]
(;W[kr]WL[1479.136]
;B[lo]BL[1325.115]
;W[kp]WL[1472.191]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: I played P5 to cut at m5, but maybe it was too early for that
Aphelion02 [6k\]: we looked at it later, seems impossible for white to stop an invasion around g3?
]
;B[mn]BL[1317.738]
;W[ok]WL[1422.215]C[ExplO [2d\]: yes, it's difficult
]
(;B[ol]BL[1306.417]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: p8
]
(;W[oj]WL[1406.372]
;B[pj]BL[1301.275]
;W[nl]WL[1402.549]
;B[om]BL[1295.342]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yuck
]
;W[nm]WL[1393.991]
;B[nn]BL[1293.717]
;W[oi]WL[1388.421]
;B[ph]BL[1279.013]
;W[ne]WL[1376.835]
(;B[mk]BL[1252.385]
;W[of]WL[1368.118]
(;B[pf]BL[1245.233]
;W[ng]WL[1344.445]
;B[mh]BL[1219.193]C[ExplO [2d\]: this seem to help white fix his problems
]
;W[nh]WL[1329.452]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: wel yea i think the 3-3 invasion was negative for you
Aphelion02 [6k\]: here
Aphelion02 [6k\]: mm
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I thought maybe Black should ignore P14
]
(;B[fd]BL[1170.15]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: seems to me this move says you want the side?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: hmm, I wanted to limit White's influence. If anything I wanted the centre
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea,
Aphelion02 [6k\]: so i was confused by c17
]
;W[cf]WL[1300.177]
(;B[cc]BL[1162.056]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: yeah, it felt like a mistake afterwards
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i think if you d17, its great for you
ExplO [2d\]: not consistent
Nikolas73 [5k\]: also a mistake here, almost cost me the game
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
]
;W[dc]WL[1292.29]
;B[cd]BL[1160.864]C[Nakamura [7k\]: I don't know about this. o.o
Aphelion02 [6k\]: that was so bad
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i don't know whats wrong with just attaching at d17
Aphelion02 [6k\]: the outside is the big part
Nakamura [7k\]: I would've jumped to J17 instead after F16
Nakamura [7k\]: But that's just me. That area is huge.
]
;W[cb]WL[1236.522]
;B[bb]BL[1157.487]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: j17 is bad shape
]
;W[db]WL[1230.104]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: gotta attach first
]
;B[ce]BL[1129.167]
;W[de]WL[1227.086]
;B[bf]BL[1127.847]
;W[be]WL[1208.679]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: d13 first?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: *c13
]
;B[bd]BL[1085.153]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: but nice win
]
;W[bg]WL[1173.163]
;B[ae]BL[1082.58]
(;W[ef]WL[1165.398]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: huh
Nikolas73 [5k\]: Thanks. I think Black still has a good chance here, but I almost messed up that F16 stone
Aphelion02 [6k\]: tough now
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
]
(;B[gf]BL[953.31]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: h16
Aphelion02 [6k\]: this is bad shape maybe?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I wasn't too sure about thsi either
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
Aphelion02 [6k\]: if white plays h17
Aphelion02 [6k\]: sorry
Aphelion02 [6k\]: h16 is shape move for white?
]
(;W[gh]WL[1106.539]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: h12
]
(;B[ic]BL[940.925]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: ahh now j17 is nice
Aphelion02 [6k\]: it hgouth this was nice
Aphelion02 [6k\]: *thought
Aphelion02 [6k\]: if he j15
Aphelion02 [6k\]: attaching somewhere feels okay?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: J17 probably could have been better
Aphelion02 [6k\]: then play something around j16
]
;W[ie]WL[1059.018]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: j14?
]
(;B[gc]BL[887.522]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: haha
Aphelion02 [6k\]: maybe attach on g12 first
]
;W[hd]WL[1036.504]
;B[kb]BL[873.073]
;W[lb]WL[1007.792]
;B[jc]BL[864.16]
(;W[hb]WL[985.328]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: I completely missed White H18
ExplO [2d\]: it doesn't look so good
]
;B[hc]BL[839.981]
;W[ga]WL[939.342]C[ExplO [2d\]: now white is gote to connet his stone
ExplO [2d\]: and clakc can still make a gote eye on the edge
Aphelion02 [6k\]: can't white threaten to play j18 first
Aphelion02 [6k\]: before connectin
Aphelion02 [6k\]: after black f18
]
(;B[fb]BL[825.221]C[ExplO [2d\]: it's better to skip it maybe
Nikolas73 [5k\]: H18 instead of G18?
ExplO [2d\]: it's the move played in the game
]
(;W[fa]WL[921.404]
;B[ib]BL[821.542]
;W[ea]WL[894.809]
;B[id]BL[736.645]
;W[hf]WL[864.486]
;B[gd]BL[729.35]
;W[he]WL[861.637]
;B[la]BL[708.111]
;W[ec]WL[750.424]
;B[ke]BL[584.118]
;W[kd]WL[688.89]
;B[je]BL[528.073]
;W[ig]WL[609.734]
;B[le]BL[384.911]
;W[mc]WL[562.925]
;B[mf]BL[369.238]
;W[nf]WL[499.164]
;B[jd]BL[360.05]
;W[lg]WL[434.922]
;B[mg]BL[352.901]
;W[lh]WL[407.191]
;B[mi]BL[326.995]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: n11 is sente
Aphelion02 [6k\]: white is squeezing toothpaste
Aphelion02 [6k\]: and then o17 might die
]
;W[lj]WL[386.104]
;B[mj]BL[319.603]
;W[ll]WL[374.975]
;B[ml]BL[308.813]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i wonder
]
;W[mm]WL[355.162]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: does o19 kill?
]
;B[lm]BL[296.293]
;W[nk]WL[346.521]
(;B[lk]BL[291.553]
;W[kl]WL[344.229]C[Nakamura [7k\]: Pretty close.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i think white is dead
]
;B[kk]BL[268.709]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: there' s justtoo many defects
Nakamura [7k\]: Yeah.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: majorly bad direction
Aphelion02 [6k\]: those peeps
Aphelion02 [6k\]: really didn't like white's peeps
]
;W[km]WL[295.19]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: go for broke!
]
;B[li]BL[259.87]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: those k19 is not an eye
]
;W[kj]WL[285.589]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: so black can't just live like this
Aphelion02 [6k\]: connect n6
]
;B[ki]BL[217.405]
;W[jj]WL[282.308]
;B[kg]BL[215.773]C[Nakamura [7k\]: He'd have to kill white to live, so he can't let him capture @M6.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: well
Aphelion02 [6k\]: he can do
Nakamura [7k\]: Or...O.o
Aphelion02 [6k\]: k19
Aphelion02 [6k\]: l19
Aphelion02 [6k\]: j19
Aphelion02 [6k\]: m6
]
;W[ma]WL[245.201]
;B[ka]BL[210.684]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: oh
Aphelion02 [6k\]: white let black live
Aphelion02 [6k\]: no its still ko
]
;W[jk]WL[210.439]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: m6 still is sente at least
Aphelion02 [6k\]: my bad no ko
Aphelion02 [6k\]: black alive
]
;B[nb]BL[129.676]C[Nakamura [7k\]: D=
Aphelion02 [6k\]: m6!!!
]
;W[ln]WL[188.219]
;B[go]BL[81.013]
;W[en]WL[172.35]
;B[eo]BL[76.008]
;W[fn]WL[167.532]
;B[fo]BL[61.05]
;W[hm]WL[162.913]
;B[gq]BL[58.114]
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;W[ar]WL[142.149]
;B[an]BL[27.707]
;W[io]WL[118.561]
;B[es]BL[10.086]C[ExplO [2d\]: ?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: really bad reading ^^
]
;W[fs]WL[93.749]
(;B[ag]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[bh]WL[85.772]
;B[qb]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ls]WL[79.065]
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(;B[qg]BL[60]OB[5]
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;B[qj]BL[60]OB[5]
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;B[ab]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[jh]WL[60]OW[5]
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;W[pa]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[rb]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fg]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[gg]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[hh]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[kn]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[lm]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ko]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[jn]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[al]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[bk]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[pd]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[pg]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[og]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[oh]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[pg]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[pl]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ql]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[pm]WL[60]OW[5]
(;B[qm]BL[60]OB[4]
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;W[rj]WL[60]OW[5]
(;B[ri]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[hp]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[gp]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[hq]WL[60]OW[5]
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;W[hn]WL[60]OW[5]
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;W[ha]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[eb]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[da]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[jg]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ob]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[na]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[js]WL[60]OW[5]
(;B[is]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[iq]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ih]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[mo]WL[60]OW[5]
(;B[no]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[jh]WL[60]OW[5]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: I see
]
;B[dp]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ds]WL[60]OW[5]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: here Black shoudl probably play H13 instead of O5
]
;B[ih]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ad]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ac]BL[60]OB[4]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: looks like black got this
]
;W[jh]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[dr]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[er]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ih]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[si]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[qk]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[jh]WL[60]OW[5]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: k2
Nikolas73 [5k\]: at this point I figured Black didn't have many ko threats left
Nikolas73 [5k\]: maybe I was wrong ^^
]
(;B[hg]BL[60]OB[4]C[ExplO [2d\]: h13 makes no point at all
ExplO [2d\]: even if you don't have threats, it's better to play a move worth something
Nikolas73 [5k\]: right
]
;W[ih]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ge]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[if]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[jf]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[am]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ee]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[jr]WL[60]OW[5]C[ExplO [2d\]: ???
]
;B[eg]BL[60]OB[4]C[Jedo [4k\]: thanks
Nikolas73 [5k\]: Thanks
Jedo [4k\]: fun series
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
Nikolas73 [5k\]: really tough on me, I'm not sure how I'll do in round 2
Jedo [4k\]: best of luck
Nikolas73 [5k\]: but I'm glad I can play even with a 4k ^^ (only made 5k two or three weeks ago)
Jedo [4k\]: lol
Nikolas73 [5k\]: want to review this?
Jedo [4k\]: should we give it to a dan player?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: could ask if one is available, yes
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I don't see anyone I know online, should we go to KGS teaching ladder room?
Jedo [4k\]: im actually nto sure if i have time now, but if you get it reviewed make sure to save it
Aphelion02 [6k\]: nikolas, why did you jump into top left
Aphelion02 [6k\]: instead of just attaching?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: ok, maybe I'll put it up in the game analysis room on L19
Jedo [4k\]: k
Nikolas73 [5k\]: err, where Aphelion?
Jedo [4k\]: thanks again
Aphelion02 [6k\]: beginning
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yeah, I was a little surprised
Nikolas73 [5k\]: White resigned here
ExplO [2d\]: maybe looking for aplce to resign
Nikolas73 [5k\]: could be
Nikolas73 [5k\]: well, thank you very much for the review
])
(;B[cg]C[ExplO [2d\]: cut here
])
(;B[eg]C[ExplO [2d\]: ir here
])
(;B[jr]C[ExplO [2d\]: or endgame here
]))
(;B[hg]
;W[jh]C[ExplO [2d\]: but it's still ko
Nikolas73 [5k\]: right
ExplO [2d\]: o5 is not small
]))
(;B[jq]C[ExplO [2d\]: you could play here in sente first
]))
(;B[gn]
;W[gm]
;B[dn]C[ExplO [2d\]: white is very far from gettings two eyes on the right side
ExplO [2d\]: 6 on the second line is dead
ExplO [2d\]: 7 depends on sente
ExplO [2d\]: 8 is alive
]
;W[ri]
;B[qk]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
ExplO [2d\]: white has three so far
ExplO [2d\]: so you can ignore several times
]))
(;B[on]
;W[qm]
;B[ri]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: ah
ExplO [2d\]: two liberties for white
]
;W[rl]
;B[qk]
;W[rk]
;B[rg]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: I figured I had a big enough lead, better safe than sorry, but yes.. I should have read that out more
]))
(;B[rh]C[ExplO [2d\]: I don't know if white can make something, but I prefer this atari
]))
(;B[cg]
;W[df]
;B[bh]C[ExplO [2d\]: why not here?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I think in the end it costs White a point or two though, but yeah, it's too slow
Nikolas73 [5k\]: right
]))
(;B[ma]C[ExplO [2d\]: white lives?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: hmm
ExplO [2d\]: I don't see how
]))
(;W[ib]
;B[fa]
;W[jb]
;B[kc]
;W[ka]
;B[ja]
;W[ia]
;B[gb]C[ExplO [2d\]: but gote
Nikolas73 [5k\]: ouch
ExplO [2d\]: and e17 may make an eye
Aphelion02 [6k\]: ahh
ExplO [2d\]: so not so good for white
]))
(;B[ib]
;W[fa]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: after j19
ExplO [2d\]: yes
ExplO [2d\]: it's what I say
]
;B[ia]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: it looks really hard for black to run though
Aphelion02 [6k\]: oh thats sente
ExplO [2d\]: if black make his eyes for sure
Nikolas73 [5k\]: ah
]
;W[ke]
;B[fb]C[ExplO [2d\]: playing here is very bad
]
;W[ea]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: wait
ExplO [2d\]: now you won't make that exchange
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i was saying h19
Aphelion02 [6k\]: for black
]))
(;W[fb]
;B[gb]
;W[ig]C[ExplO [2d\]: black doesn't have too eyes locally
]))
(;B[if]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: but then i was afraid of h15
]
;W[he]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: if he pushes you can hane
]
(;B[fb]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: actually connecting
]
;W[gc]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: might be okay
])
(;B[hf]
;W[ge]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: no space left
]
(;B[je])
(;B[fe]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: its tough
]
;W[je]
;B[ff]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea make him cut
]
;W[jh]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: mm
Aphelion02 [6k\]: not nice
]))))
(;B[gg]
;W[hh]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: h12 is lighter
Aphelion02 [6k\]: instead of g13
]
;B[if]
;W[id]
;B[jh])
(;B[hh]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: ah
]
;W[gg]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: if he cross cuts
]
;B[hg]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i'm sure you can sabaki
]
;W[hf]
;B[if]
;W[he]
;B[ie]
;W[ge]
;B[jg]
;W[id]
;B[jd]
;W[ic]
;B[hj]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
Nikolas73 [5k\]: something like that maybe, as least White doesn't get a huge center
Aphelion02 [6k\]: your side
Aphelion02 [6k\]: is so huge already
Aphelion02 [6k\]: ifyou make one life group
Aphelion02 [6k\]: you win
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
]))
(;W[ic]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: h16
])
(;W[hc])
(;W[id]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: h16 is shape move
Aphelion02 [6k\]: threatens cut
]
;B[jk]
;W[if]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: but yea aybe this does too
]
;B[gq]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: what if white just plays g4
]
(;W[fp]
;B[hp]
;W[jn]
;B[hn]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: I had something like this in mind, but I'm not sure if it would have worked
Aphelion02 [6k\]: could you go back to g3?
])
(;W[gp]
;B[hp]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: pull back
Nikolas73 [5k\]: hmm, hadn't really thought about that
Aphelion02 [6k\]: mmm doesn't seem to work
]
;W[hq]
;B[iq]
;W[ip]
;B[hr]
;W[ho]
;B[fp]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: interesting
Nikolas73 [5k\]: Well, I will put it on L19 to get some opinions
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but maybe you should play this directly instead
Nikolas73 [5k\]: you mean earlier?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
Aphelion02 [6k\]: before g14
]))
(;W[hd]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: Black started going a little downhill from here
ExplO [2d\]: yes, around here
ExplO [2d\]: to press black against the wall
]
;B[ge]
;W[if]
;B[gh]
;W[ih]
;B[gj]C[ExplO [2d\]: black is very heavy
]))
(;B[ik]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: l1the problem is not sure where to run
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
]
;W[hp]
;B[ih]
;W[hf]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i was thinking
Aphelion02 [6k\]: f14 or l16
])
(;B[kd]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: if white plays k18
]
;W[jb]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: maybe you ca jump out?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: or just j16
]
(;B[lf]
;W[hf]
;B[hd]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: something like that maybe?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: no, no eye shape
])
(;B[gf]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: loosk okay
])
(;B[id]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: yeah
]
(;W[rm])
(;W[hf]
;B[jf]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: just worried about k15 here
])
(;W[je]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: j14
]
;B[if]
;W[ie]
;B[he]
;W[jd]
;B[jf]
;W[ke]
;B[gf]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea maybe
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i like these situations
Aphelion02 [6k\]: where you have to make shape
Nikolas73 [5k\]: maybe you can tell that I don't :p
])))
(;B[ic]C[ExplO [2d\]: easier here, to make a base
]))
(;W[df]C[ExplO [2d\]: I don't why white doesn't connect here
ExplO [2d\]: now black cannot ut at c13
ExplO [2d\]: cut*
]))
(;B[dc]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: c17, e17, c18
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I don't think I have ever played this move, I should probably learn it
]
;W[cc]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: its standard
]
;B[ec]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: with high approach
]
;W[cb]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: then j17 or so
]
;B[ic]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: ah
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes, something like this is what I envisioned, I just wasn't quite sure how to get there
Aphelion02 [6k\]: then white nearly killed himself
Aphelion02 [6k\]: the o17 group
Nikolas73 [5k\]: and it ended up almost costing me the game
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
ExplO [2d\]: f16 may not be the best decision, but at least it makes sense
]))
(;B[gq]
;W[fp]
;B[hp]
;W[jn]
;B[hn]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: if anything i think you can play g17
Aphelion02 [6k\]: to settle really safely
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
])
(;B[gc]
(;W[ge]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: d17
]
;B[dc]
;W[ed]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: or just k17 to settle too
Aphelion02 [6k\]: white can't do much to tha tstone
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I was a little worried about White's influence, but I think Black just needs to take enough side territory to keep a win
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i think n12
Aphelion02 [6k\]: was negative
Aphelion02 [6k\]: for you
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes, possibly
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but now that you played it
Aphelion02 [6k\]: n11 seems good
Aphelion02 [6k\]: since its sente to connect
Aphelion02 [6k\]: with o9
Aphelion02 [6k\]: then you can make some kind of shape
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I thought if I did go after L4, N12 may help
]
;B[nk]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: ahh
]
;W[mi]
;B[jk]
;W[hp]
;B[jn]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: and if White protects Black could get some more territory
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea you got introuble after that 3-3 invasion
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
])
(;W[ec]
;B[jc]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes, something simple like this is probably best
Aphelion02 [6k\]: well good luck!
Nikolas73 [5k\]: White'White still has a weak point around C14
Aphelion02 [6k\]: your playing winner of redudnant
Aphelion02 [6k\]: redundant and redstick right?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I really have no idea, I haven't been following the other games much ^^
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea its redundant and redstick
Nikolas73 [5k\]: ok
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea good luck :)
Aphelion02 [6k\]: hope we meet in finals ^^
Nikolas73 [5k\]: Thanks. Yes, see you there :D
Aphelion02 [6k\]: ok i g2g sleep
Aphelion02 [6k\]: gnite
Nikolas73 [5k\]: bye
Aphelion02 [6k\]: btw
Aphelion02 [6k\]: explo is online
Aphelion02 [6k\]: he reviewed my game last time
Aphelion02 [6k\]: you might ask him
Nikolas73 [5k\]: ok, I'll do that
Nikolas73 [5k\]: thanks
Aphelion02 [6k\]: if he does i might stay
Aphelion02 [6k\]: to watch :)
Aphelion02 [6k\]: at least part of it
Nikolas73 [5k\]: ok, 1 minute
ExplO [2d\]: hello
Nikolas73 [5k\]: Hello
]))
(;B[fc]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i like g17
Aphelion02 [6k\]: so he can't pincer
ExplO [2d\]: why not here?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I wanted to block his wall and build up the right for g3 invasion, but I see what you mean
Nikolas73 [5k\]: Good question, Aphelion and I decided it was probably a mistake
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I was worried about White's influence
ExplO [2d\]: f16 is uusually to build your own moyo
]))
(;B[oh]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
ExplO [2d\]: yes, I think so too
]))
(;B[nf]C[ExplO [2d\]: hane here seem possible too
ExplO [2d\]: and probably best
]))
(;W[pj]C[ExplO [2d\]: I think white can try harder
])
(;W[nl]))
(;B[nn]C[ExplO [2d\]: maybe best
ExplO [2d\]: at least it's easier
ExplO [2d\]: because white gets less forcing moves
]))
(;W[on]C[ExplO [2d\]: p6 becomes sente in the game
])
(;W[lo]C[ExplO [2d\]: I think white should defend
]))
(;B[op]C[ExplO [2d\]: simply here
]
;W[kr]
;B[lo]C[ExplO [2d\]: you could also cut if white bloks
ExplO [2d\]: you cannot capture directly after, but it's hard for white to move the stones
Nikolas73 [5k\]: ah, I see... when White connects Black can do something like M6
]
;W[kp]
;B[ln]TR[nm][hp]C[ExplO [2d\]: yes
ExplO [2d\]: white is busy
]))
(;B[qq]C[ExplO [2d\]: not easy for white to live
]))
(;B[lp]C[ExplO [2d\]: black can simply defend here
ExplO [2d\]: now it's harder to invade at o3
Nikolas73 [5k\]: hmm, not sure why I didn't play that now...
ExplO [2d\]: and white can still be invaded around g3
]))
(;B[br]C[ExplO [2d\]: I would still play here
ExplO [2d\]: it's big for both
]))
(;B[br]C[ExplO [2d\]: black should play here
ExplO [2d\]: e3 fails
]))
(;W[er]C[ExplO [2d\]: if white plays here, it's helps him close the gap with k4
ExplO [2d\]: and black has no room for an extension
ExplO [2d\]: white plays here to make b2 gote for black
]))
(;B[gp]C[ExplO [2d\]: more common
ExplO [2d\]: c3 is not good locally
]))
(;B[do]C[ExplO [2d\]: white cannot cut, so maybe it's a good time to play elsewhere
]))
(;W[od]TR[qd][qo]C[ExplO [2d\]: in the game, if white approches, it works well with d16
ExplO [2d\]: and for black, the right side becomes low
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I see
]))
(;B[oc]C[ExplO [2d\]: then it's common to do it in this corner
ExplO [2d\]: now if white approaches the other corner
]
;W[po]
;B[pl]C[ExplO [2d\]: you can pincer and develop the right side
Nikolas73 [5k\]: right, I thought about that after move 5.... I've only played this fuseki a few times.
ExplO [2d\]: the pincer works well with the shimari
]))[/sgf-full]
Author:  Redundant [ Mon May 31, 2010 6:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
Redundant vs. Redstick ended 3-1. Here's the final game.


My second round series against Nikolas73 begins 8pm EST on Friday. (I think).
Author:  Redundant [ Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
Redundant vs. Nikolas73 has been moved forward to tomorrow at 7pm EST.
Author:  karaklis [ Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
Attached the game that I had with SoDesuNe.
We're 1:1 now.
The tiebreaker will probably be on Sunday 10:00 CET-dst (8:00 GMT)

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Author:  SoDesuNe [ Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
I believe, it was Saturday and 10am GMT+1 but nevertheless, I can't play on Saturday, so what about Sunday at 10am GMT+1? (I'm sure, you wanted to express the same time anyway ^^)


post scriptum: I'm going to post this game this way, again. It's much easier to see my defeat =D

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[karaklis]PB[SoDesuNe]WR[10k]BR[6k]DT[2010-06-03]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[SoDesuNe [6k\]: Gutes Spiel!
karaklis [10k?\]: viels spaß
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[qd]BL[1793.797]
;W[dp]WL[1797.038]
;B[pp]BL[1792.479]
;W[dd]WL[1794.17]
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;W[go]WL[930.217]C[karaklis [7k\]: danke
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Danke dir!
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Da hätte ich wohl viel früher mal eine Basis machen sollen : /
karaklis [7k\]: ja basis schadet nie ;-)
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Und der Keima war wohl auch eher nicht gelesen ^^
karaklis [7k\]: da waren zu viele weiße steine drum rum
karaklis [7k\]: sonst hätte das klappen können
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Jup
goatsunday [8k\]: ja, war die c3 invasion fraglich?
karaklis [7k\]: was ist denn, wenn schwarz auf e4 schneidet?
SoDesuNe [6k\]: S hat weniger Freihieten als W
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Von daher, endet das schon tragisch ^^
karaklis [7k\]: aber selbst wenn die schwarze gruppe tot ist, ist das ergebnis denkbar knapp
karaklis [7k\]: ich denk, du hast zu früh aufgegeben
])[/sgf-full]
Author:  karaklis [ Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
Sunday 10:00 CET-dst is fine for me.

NB: The time difference between CET-dst and GMT is two hours...
Author:  Nikolas73 [ Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
I won the first round 2 game between Redundant and myself, the series is now 1-0. I'm not sure when our next game is, perhaps on the weekend. I will send you a message, Redundant.

Here is the SGF:
Author:  SoDesuNe [ Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
karaklis wrote:
NB: The time difference between CET-dst and GMT is two hours...


I heard that GMT and UTC are the same and because I have UTC+1 in the forum, I figured GMT+1 must be my timezone. But well, I don't actually have a clue ^^

Let's play on Sunday, 10am, we're in the same timezone anyway =D
Author:  karaklis [ Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
As far as I know the daylight saving time (dst) adds one hour to the usual difference of one hour.
Author:  Redundant [ Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
Game two of redundant vs. Nikolas73 will be 9pm eastern tomorrow.
Author:  Aphelion [ Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2nd Kuchinashi Tournament (4k-6k)
Updates please!
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