Here's game two of Nikolas73 vs Redundant. Black (Redundant) won by resign. Review by Shaddy


The series is tied 1-1 and the next game is tomorrow at 5pm EDT.

This is the third game that I had with SoDesuNe this morning. Black (karaklis) won by 30.5 points.


I am 2-1 ahead now in our series.

Due to unfortunate circumstances, my next game against Nikolas73 has been moved to tomorrow at 9pm eastern.

karaklis and me are tied again. Showdown will be most likely tomorrow 6pm UTC+1 dst.


[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[karaklis]PB[SoDesuNe]WR[7k]BR[6k]DT[2010-06-07]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[SoDesuNe [6k\]: huhu
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Gutes Spiel!
karaklis [7k\]: hi, schönes spiel
]RE[B+7.50]
;B[qd]BL[1790.515]
;W[dp]WL[1796.148]
;B[pq]BL[1785.673]
;W[oc]WL[1791.806]
;B[dd]BL[1760.508]
;W[pe]WL[1783.548]
;B[qe]BL[1747.222]
;W[pf]WL[1776.773]
;B[qg]BL[1746.227]
;W[po]WL[1772.155]
;B[qo]BL[1728.972]
;W[qn]WL[1767.162]
;B[qp]BL[1728.005]
;W[pn]WL[1765.137]
;B[nq]BL[1726.141]
;W[qj]WL[1759.854]
;B[ic]BL[1714.102]
;W[kc]WL[1754.836]
;B[cn]BL[1703.871]
;W[fq]WL[1749.994]
;B[bp]BL[1695.718]
;W[cq]WL[1747.309]
;B[ck]BL[1694.78]
;W[cc]WL[1726.862]
;B[cd]BL[1691.593]
;W[dc]WL[1724.761]
;B[ec]BL[1690.407]
;W[eb]WL[1723.082]
;B[fc]BL[1689.669]
;W[bd]WL[1721.397]
;B[be]BL[1688.137]
;W[bc]WL[1719.96]
;B[cf]BL[1686.692]
;W[fb]WL[1717.939]
;B[gc]BL[1684.8]
;W[jq]WL[1696.378]
;B[pb]BL[1621.693]
;W[pc]WL[1685.297]
;B[qc]BL[1619.789]
;W[qb]WL[1683.439]
;B[rb]BL[1618.125]
;W[ob]WL[1681.779]
;B[qh]BL[1605.656]
;W[dm]WL[1651.665]
;B[cm]BL[1571.295]
;W[ek]WL[1643.18]
;B[dl]BL[1553.027]
;W[em]WL[1639.368]
;B[el]BL[1551.686]
;W[fl]WL[1637.704]
;B[fm]BL[1548.022]
;W[fn]WL[1613.26]
;B[gm]BL[1546.599]
;W[do]WL[1607.938]
;B[gn]BL[1496.869]
;W[fo]WL[1597.213]
;B[hk]BL[1457.624]
;W[gl]WL[1578.284]
;B[hl]BL[1455.361]
;W[gj]WL[1576.696]
;B[in]BL[1386.321]
;W[dk]WL[1572.091]
;B[cl]BL[1383.23]
;W[dh]WL[1551.5]
;B[dj]BL[1331.199]
;W[ej]WL[1539.464]
;B[ei]BL[1304.889]
;W[di]WL[1537.227]
;B[cj]BL[1303.477]
;W[fj]WL[1532.275]
;B[fh]BL[1259.371]
;W[gh]WL[1524.513]
;B[fg]BL[1257.452]
;W[fi]WL[1519.79]
;B[eh]BL[1255.637]
;W[ii]WL[1514.559]
;B[gk]BL[1246.443]
;W[hj]WL[1505.404]
;B[fk]BL[1243.268]
;W[ik]WL[1503.079]
;B[hq]BL[1072.641]
;W[hp]WL[1483.069]
;B[gp]BL[1061.767]
;W[go]WL[1474.4]
;B[ip]BL[1057.633]
;W[ho]WL[1470.594]
;B[io]BL[1051.143]
;W[iq]WL[1466.081]
;B[hn]BL[986.739]
;W[lq]WL[1460.592]
;B[oh]BL[867.68]
;W[gg]WL[1414.261]
;B[ff]BL[863.056]
;W[je]WL[1393.657]
;B[pk]BL[804.407]
;W[qk]WL[1384.181]
;B[pl]BL[794.21]
;W[ql]WL[1377.847]
;B[ri]BL[747.421]
;W[rj]WL[1357.265]
;B[hf]BL[628.95]
;W[gf]WL[1325.082]
;B[ge]BL[626.852]
;W[fe]WL[1323.065]
;B[ee]BL[615.595]
;W[he]WL[1319.671]
;B[gd]BL[612.843]
;W[if]WL[1315.657]
;B[mg]BL[587.791]
;W[ng]WL[1306.229]
;B[nh]BL[583.942]
;W[mh]WL[1304.548]
;B[nf]BL[552.379]
;W[og]WL[1292.05]C[Nakamura [7k\]: Shadonra's 2d! D:
]
;B[mi]BL[465.935]
;W[lh]WL[1288.91]
;B[li]BL[455.625]
;W[kh]WL[1262.02]
;B[ki]BL[414.826]
;W[mf]WL[1252.941]
;B[nn]BL[378.199]
;W[om]WL[1223.591]
;B[rn]BL[358.491]
;W[rm]WL[1219.891]
;B[ro]BL[355.972]
;W[pi]WL[1203.527]
;B[oj]BL[319.692]
;W[qi]WL[1171.784]
;B[rh]BL[315.535]
;W[oi]WL[1157.133]
;B[ni]BL[282.92]
;W[nj]WL[1145.144]
;B[nk]BL[279.374]
;W[op]WL[1098.268]
;B[np]BL[260.982]
;W[oq]WL[1090.14]
;B[or]BL[150.688]
;W[no]WL[1075.47]C[Shadonra [2d\]: sorry, was showering. yeah, i'm 2d now!
]
;B[mo]BL[145.788]
;W[oo]WL[1067.561]
;B[mp]BL[88.813]
;W[mn]WL[1061.35]C[martin3141 [1k\]: go sodesune *\\o/*
]
;B[pm]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ol]WL[1039.858]
;B[mj]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ok]WL[1033.866]
;B[pj]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[qm]WL[1031.957]
;B[nj]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[nm]WL[1027.171]
;B[mm]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ln]WL[1024.07]
;B[nl]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[on]WL[1021.13]
;B[ph]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ml]WL[997.936]C[tanki [5k\]: Go Chris! Go!
]
;B[lm]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[km]WL[996.001]
;B[ll]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[kl]WL[994.32]
;B[lk]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ko]WL[990.524]
;B[jb]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[kb]WL[988.054]
;B[ka]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[la]WL[983.869]
;B[ja]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[lb]WL[981.173]
;B[qa]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[jc]WL[978.34]
;B[ib]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[pr]WL[961.979]C[Serjik [6k\]: instead of o7 n7 creates an eye
]
;B[nr]BL[60]OB[2]C[tanki [5k\]: oh, these two play each other for the fourth time in a row
]
;W[qq]WL[939.113]
;B[pp]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[qr]WL[937.089]
;B[rq]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[rr]WL[934.798]
;B[sr]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[sp]WL[926.685]C[martin3141 [1k\]: w dead
]
;B[rp]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[sn]WL[923.066]
;B[sq]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[sm]WL[918.414]
;B[so]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[os]WL[884.552]
;B[rs]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[bq]WL[866.791]
;B[co]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[mr]WL[857.107]C[tanki [5k\]: and black uses much time again ;)
]
;B[ns]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ms]WL[811.004]
;B[dn]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[en]WL[808.508]
;B[cp]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[gq]WL[800.243]
;B[aq]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[br]WL[781.107]C[martin3141 [1k\]: if efficiently used, time is a strong seapon
martin3141 [1k\]: *weapon
]
;B[pg]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[lg]WL[777.217]
;B[pd]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[od]WL[773.624]C[tanki [5k\]: if overused time can be a canadian burnout ^^
]
;B[id]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[jd]WL[765.439]
;B[ie]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[hg]WL[763.787]
;B[gb]BL[60]OB[2]C[martin3141 [1k\]: b can still win this in the endgame!
]
;W[fa]WL[734.041]C[tanki [5k\]: needs at least 10 points
]
;B[ga]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[da]WL[732.322]
;B[ar]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[bs]WL[706.041]
;B[il]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[jk]WL[700.692]
;B[ji]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[jh]WL[697.873]C[martin3141 [1k\]: it's close
]
;B[mq]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[lp]WL[690.919]
;B[ps]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[lo]WL[685.9]
;B[qs]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[lr]WL[682.71]
;B[oa]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[na]WL[678.87]
;B[pa]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[nb]WL[674.736]
;B[qf]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[as]WL[618.053]
;B[oe]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ne]WL[603.1]
;B[of]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[mg]WL[601.478]
;B[ap]BL[60]OB[2]C[martin3141 [1k\]: now b will win
]
;W[ae]WL[592.828]
;B[af]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ad]WL[591.249]
;B[jj]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[ij]WL[589.243]
;B[kk]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[si]WL[481.427]
;B[sh]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[sj]WL[479.826]C[karaklis [7k\]: ganz schön knappes spiel
]
;B[dq]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[dr]WL[475.168]
;B[jn]BL[60]OB[2]C[karaklis [7k\]: du gewinnst mit 3 punkten
]
;W[jm]WL[460.922]C[SoDesuNe [6k\]: Oh, du zählst? ^^
]
;B[kn]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[jl]WL[457.726]
;B[im]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[jp]WL[454.389]
;B[hd]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[hf]WL[451.371]
;B[]BL[60]OB[2]
;W[]WL[434.8]TW[aa][ba][ca][ea][ma][ab][bb][cb][db][mb][ac][lc][mc][nc][kd][ld][md][nd][ke][le][me][jf][kf][lf][ig][jg][kg][hh][ih][gi][hi][rk][sk][rl][sl][nn][eo][ep][fp][gp][kp][dq][eq][hq][kq][cr][er][fr][gr][hr][ir][jr][kr][cs][ds][es][fs][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls]TB[ha][ia][ra][sa][hb][qb][sb][hc][rc][sc][ed][fd][rd][sd][ce][de][fe][pe][re][se][bf][df][ef][pf][rf][sf][ag][bg][cg][dg][eg][rg][sg][ah][bh][ch][dh][ai][bi][ci][di][aj][bj][kj][lj][ak][bk][mk][al][bl][fl][gl][ml][am][bm][hm][an][bn][ao][bo][sp][qq][pr][qr][rr][os][ss]C[SoDesuNe [6k\]: Danke dir
karaklis [7k\]: danke fürs spiel
SoDesuNe [6k\]: So bleibst immerhin spannend =D
SoDesuNe [6k\]: *bleibt es
karaklis [7k\]: jauh
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Ich sollte aber nicht so oft springen, immer schneidest du mich ^^
karaklis [7k\]: wann ist nächstes spiel?
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Hm, morgen Abend wäre ich zu haben
karaklis [7k\]: ich musste schneiden um zu überleben
karaklis [7k\]: ok, sagen wir morgen abend
SoDesuNe [6k\]: War eh gut ^^
karaklis [7k\]: wieder um 7?
martin3141 [1k\]: sodesune, Lust auf ein Spiel?
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Aso, warte mal
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Muss mal schnell Uni-Plan checken ^^
karaklis [7k\]: jauh mach mal
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Okay, passt
SoDesuNe [6k\]: 18 Uhr
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Match game ^^
karaklis [7k\]: ok, ich schau mal ob ichs bis 6 schaff
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Bis 20 Uhr hätte ich wohl Zeit
karaklis [7k\]: könnte ein wenig später werden
karaklis [7k\]: ioc
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Alles klar, bis morgen!
karaklis [7k\]: ich schätze, bis 20.00 schaffen wir das schon
karaklis [7k\]: bye
SoDesuNe [6k\]: wunderbar
SoDesuNe [6k\]: baba
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Hui...
martin3141 [1k\]: hi, Lust auf ein Spiel?
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Gerade noch die Kurve bekommen ^^
martin3141 [1k\]: gratuliere^^
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Magst du kurz hier rüberschauen? =)
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Danke ^^
])[/sgf-full]

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My "guide" to become stronger in Go

Apologies tto jedo and thosewho were watching. A storm outside seems to have severed my Internet.I'm typing from my iPhone now. I would propose forfeiting but my guess is that Jedi doesn't want to take a win like that. So Jedo would you prefer finishing our game or starting a new one? Sorry for the inconvenience.

As long as it's in the next few days, continuing the game is fine with me. Does wednesday work for you?

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"There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level." -- Bruce Lee

I won game three of Nikolas73 vs. Redundant by 1.5 points. The series is now 2-1 in my favor. Here's the sgf.

Last game between karaklis (B) and me (W): W+R.

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[SoDesuNe]PB[karaklis]WR[6k]BR[7k]DT[2010-06-10]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[karaklis [7k\]: viel spaß :-)
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Gutes Spiel! Und viel Spaß
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[1791.353]
;W[dp]WL[1796.566]
;B[pp]BL[1787.556]
;W[dd]WL[1794.771]
;B[pj]BL[1783.844]
;W[nc]WL[1788.154]
;B[kd]BL[1771.885]
;W[qf]WL[1643.257]
;B[pf]BL[1685.152]
;W[qc]WL[1640.521]
;B[pc]BL[1623.221]
;W[qd]WL[1637.912]
;B[nd]BL[1610.686]
;W[pe]WL[1573.265]
;B[oe]BL[1604.126]
;W[qe]WL[1572.226]
;B[pg]BL[1599.789]
;W[pb]WL[1570.408]
;B[fc]BL[1566.021]
;W[cf]WL[1563.773]
;B[db]BL[1557.875]
;W[cc]WL[1562.364]
;B[hd]BL[1555.484]
;W[nq]WL[1532.324]
;B[pn]BL[1548.777]
;W[pr]WL[1516.955]
;B[qq]BL[1545.583]
;W[kq]WL[1515.812]
;B[cn]BL[1539.443]
;W[dn]WL[1430.796]
;B[cq]BL[1529.449]
;W[dq]WL[1405.164]
;B[cp]BL[1522.744]
;W[co]WL[1401.121]
;B[bo]BL[1520.234]
;W[do]WL[1400.207]
;B[cm]BL[1517.576]
;W[nn]WL[1325.262]
;B[no]BL[1511.38]
;W[mo]WL[1312.776]
;B[mn]BL[1506.561]
;W[np]WL[1249.031]
;B[oo]BL[1499.759]
;W[ln]WL[1247.914]
;B[mm]BL[1497.15]
;W[lm]WL[1245.154]
;B[ll]BL[1477.598]
;W[kl]WL[1175.422]
;B[lk]BL[1468.211]
;W[qh]WL[1168.631]
;B[el]BL[1461.641]
;W[gn]WL[1110.742]
;B[lo]BL[1456.236]
;W[mp]WL[1108.705]
;B[km]BL[1454.268]
;W[kn]WL[1104.767]
;B[jm]BL[1452.754]
;W[jn]WL[1103.623]
;B[im]BL[1450.422]
;W[in]WL[1100.995]
;B[jk]BL[1446.165]
;W[fe]WL[1009.861]
;B[gf]BL[1434.652]
;W[hm]WL[987.989]
;B[hl]BL[1429.105]
;W[il]WL[985.182]
;B[jl]BL[1426.541]
;W[gl]WL[984.089]
;B[hk]BL[1423.34]
;W[gk]WL[982.738]
;B[gj]BL[1419.889]
;W[ci]WL[934.064]
;B[mc]BL[1400.367]
;W[oc]WL[895.481]
;B[od]BL[1349.003]
;W[dm]WL[880.137]
;B[dl]BL[1344.95]
;W[cl]WL[879.181]
;B[ck]BL[1339.885]
;W[bl]WL[877.788]
;B[bm]BL[1323.786]
;W[ph]WL[777.731]
;B[oh]BL[1320.711]
;W[oi]WL[772.574]
;B[nh]BL[1280.197]
;W[pi]WL[766.165]
;B[nj]BL[1252.286]
;W[oj]WL[668.295]
;B[ok]BL[1245.095]
;W[qj]WL[660.315]
;B[pk]BL[1240.877]
;W[qk]WL[659.549]
;B[ql]BL[1239.344]
;W[ni]WL[629.992]
;B[mi]BL[1236.398]
;W[qg]WL[628.792]
;B[mj]BL[1202.601]
;W[mb]WL[602.993]
;B[nb]BL[1199.811]
;W[ob]WL[597.724]
;B[lb]BL[1198.179]
;W[na]WL[596.972]
;B[lc]BL[1185.17]
;W[ff]WL[576.947]
;B[cb]BL[1179.303]
;W[bb]WL[569.277]
;B[fg]BL[1173.179]
;W[eg]WL[528.869]
;B[fh]BL[1163.955]
;W[ge]WL[518.53]
;B[he]BL[1161.212]
;W[eh]WL[457.695]
;B[fi]BL[1130.256]
;W[cr]WL[453.569]
;B[br]BL[1126.166]
;W[dr]WL[398.744]
;B[bk]BL[1123.012]
;W[qr]WL[387.472]
;B[rl]BL[1116.252]
;W[rq]WL[361.861]
;B[rp]BL[1113.707]
;W[pq]WL[356.956]
;B[qp]BL[1112.164]
;W[rr]WL[345.962]
;B[ah]BL[1108.751]
;W[bh]WL[328.958]
;B[aj]BL[1103.716]
;W[ag]WL[322.898]
;B[ai]BL[1100.927]
;W[bg]WL[320.068]
;B[si]BL[1098.994]
;W[ri]WL[316.36]
;B[sk]BL[1095.399]
;W[sh]WL[314.858]
;B[sj]BL[1093.764]
;W[bs]WL[308.876]
;B[aq]BL[1084.144]
;W[dc]WL[300.335]
;B[ec]BL[1080.893]
;W[la]WL[277.246]
;B[ka]BL[1074.11]
;W[ma]WL[274.134]
;B[kb]BL[1072.516]
;W[ca]WL[270.135]
;B[eb]BL[1055.203]
;W[gd]WL[229.093]
;B[gc]BL[1051.684]
;W[fm]WL[185.946]
;B[em]BL[1036.789]
;W[en]WL[183.671]C[oren [6k?\]: b19
martin3141 [1k\]: black counts :)
]
;B[ei]BL[930.885]
;W[of]WL[153.24]
;B[og]BL[926.737]
;W[nf]WL[152.1]C[oren [6k?\]: nice
martin3141 [1k\]: nice forma
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Danke dir
karaklis [7k\]: danke fürs spiel
karaklis [7k\]: und viel erfolg im weiteren verlauf
])[/sgf-full]


Now, I lost to padic in the first round a won against karaklis in some sort of losers bracket. Am I going to play against someone else now?

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My "guide" to become stronger in Go

Yes, that will happen when the pairings for the next round are done.

Thanks for a great series of games.

Ah, okay!


Also thanks to you for the good and thrilling games!

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My "guide" to become stronger in Go

Due to a rather hectic 10 days in my life Jedo and I have only been able to play one game so far. I played B and won by resignation. Game 2 is at noon est on Saturday.

Game four of Redundant vs. Nikolas73 will be Saturday at 5pm Eastern. If there is a game 4, it will be 4pm Eastern.

*If there is a game 5, it will be Sunday at 4pm Eastern.

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Here is game 4, I was White and somehow managed to win by 9.5 points. Game 5 is tomorrow (Sunday) at 1pm Pacific/4pm Eastern.

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Here's game five of Redundant vs. Nikolas73. White (Redundant) won by resignation. I win the series 3-2.

It looks like round 3 can begin. Apologies to SoDesuNe who will be playing the winner of Jedo and my series. The other pairings are as follows:

Primary:

Aphelion v. Redundant

Secondary:

Nikolas73 v. Padic

SoDesuNe v. (winner or Redstick v. Jedo)

Note: The loser of Aphelion v. Redundant will be eliminated and will not have a chance in the secondary bracket. The winner will get a bye for the following round when the challenger from the losers bracket will be chosen.

That doesn't make sense to me, we're both in the winner's bracket. It seems like this would actually give an advantage to lose in the earlier rounds so you get a easier opponent.

Agreed, the loser of Aphelion v Redundant should go straight to the finals of the losers bracket. Otherwise it's a double elimination tournament for everyone but one player. See the way that topazg set up the L19 title tournament.

Here is the language from the original tournament:

"The addition of the losers bracket came out of conversations with some of the participants who were concerned the tournament could only be 3 games long for some people. This guarantees at least 6 games for each participant and gives those who are knocked out a chance for ultimate redemption. It's true that the person who loses in the third round of the original bracket will be the only person denied a shot at the finals after only one loss but I think it reasons that the further along in the tournament the higher the stakes should be. Also, the alternatives (playing the winner of the losers bracket for a chance at a rematch with the one remaining undefeated player, or having the winner of the losers bracket play the loser of the finals for 2nd and 3rd) are less desirable. Once it's decided that a losers bracket should exist having its winner play for the championship against the only undefeated player seems the way to go."

The point here is that if the loser of aphelion v. redundant enters the losers bracket and then wins it will just lead to a rematch. And it would make the secondary bracket 2 rounds longer than the primary.

Also, it deserves noting that is the first tournament I was the one who lost in this round. I was the only one eliminated with a single loss.

Now, having the winner of this whole bracket playing MountainGo may change/complicate things. So let's open it up to a vote. It really doesn't matter to me. So all participants in the tournament feel free to PM me your votes (although when I report the results I'll have to use your name and how you voted)

Should there be a 5th round added to the secondary bracket so that the loser of Aphelion v. redundant can play the winner of the remaining 4 in the bracket? Or should the loser be eliminated and the winner get a trip to the challenging match?

I won my last game with Redstick, giving us a 1-1 tie. The next game will be wednesday night at 8pm est.

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