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Author:  Javaness2 [ Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:52 am ]
Post subject:  European Go Championship
So, who do you think is going to be European Go Champion this year?
Author:  RBerenguel [ Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: European Go Championship
I'm rooting for my teachers, Antti Tormanen & Juri Kuronen (I think Antti has better options, but Juri can easily be the surprise ;))
Author:  Dokuganryu [ Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: European Go Championship
I'm rooting for Mateusz and Antti, I have no idea how much Mateusz improved in Korea since last year, so I don't know who have bigger chances:P
Author:  walpurgis [ Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: European Go Championship
I'd think Ilya Shikshin and Fan Hui probably have the best chances of winning. Alexandre Dinerchtein is also quite high up there, but hasn't been the most convincing is some recent tournaments I've watched on KGS.

Antti is who I'm also rooting for, and he also is definitely one of the top guys. The question is, how well has he been keeping up with (and improving) his go studies since coming back from Japan. He hasn't participated in many tournaments (but his blog shows that he hasn't been idle either) so his current strength is a bit of a question. I don't know much about Mateusz, but if he's an insei(?) in Korea he's one to watch out for as well.

Anyone can surprise us, though :)
Author:  RBerenguel [ Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: European Go Championship
At the NGA summer camp of last week (managed by Antti, Juri, Su Yang and a few more finns, I was there as student) Antti played a 1 dan pro Korean player that had been visiting (he lost by time I think, maybe resigned) Made a small misread that turned the game from his to hers at the beginning but kept fighting till the end to try to win a huge semeai. Awesome fighting spirit (and go technique)
Author:  walpurgis [ Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: European Go Championship
Round 1 results can be found here: http://egc2013.go.art.pl/EGC2013_main.html

Looking at the poll:

    Breakfast ================= Lost (/Dusac Mitin)
    Fan Hui ================== Won (/Lukas Kramer)
    Ilya Shikshin ============== Lost (/Viktor Lin)
    Cornel Burzo ============== Lost (/Aleksandr Vashurov)
    Thomas Debarre =========== Won (/Yue Li)
    Ali Jabarin ================ Lost (/Jun Tarumi)
    Csaba Mero =============== Won (/Juri Kuronen)
    Pavol Lisy ================= Won (/Remi Campagnie)
    Ondrej Silt ================ Won (/Robert Jasiek)
    Antti Tormanen ============ Won (/Ondrej Kruml)
    Mateusz Surma ============ Won (/Bernd Randmacher)
    Ion Florescu -> I don't see him on the result sheet so apparently he's not participating.

I'm a bit surprised that both Alexander and Ilya lost their first round matches. I don't know much about their opponents though.
Author:  walpurgis [ Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: European Go Championship
Results after round 2: http://egc2013.go.art.pl/EGC2013_main.html

Poll:

    Fan Hui ================== Won | 2W/0L
    Thomas Debarre =========== Won | 2W/0L
    Pavol Lisy ================ Won | 2W/0L
    Ondrej Silt ================ Won | 2W/0L
    Antti Tormanen ============ Won | 2W/0L
    Mateusz Surma ============ Won | 2W/0L
    Breakfast ================= Won | 1W/1L
    Ilya Shikshin ============== Won | 1W/1L
    Ali Jabarin ================ Won | 1W/1L
    Csaba Mero =============== Lost | 1W/1L
    Cornel Burzo ============== Lost | 0W/2L

Additionally at 2 wins in the top group are:
    Artem Kachanovskyi
    Andrii Kravets
    Viktor Lin
Author:  hyperpape [ Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: European Go Championship
Isn't it a mistake that Ondrej is listed with an MMS of 35 after two rounds?
Author:  HermanHiddema [ Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: European Go Championship
hyperpape wrote:
Isn't it a mistake that Ondrej is listed with an MMS of 35 after two rounds?


Apparently he didn't start in the supergroup. Maybe he's not planning to play all rounds?
Author:  walpurgis [ Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: European Go Championship
Hmm, according to his registration info he should be there for the entire tournament.
Author:  hyperpape [ Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: European Go Championship
HermanHiddema wrote:
hyperpape wrote:
Isn't it a mistake that Ondrej is listed with an MMS of 35 after two rounds?


Apparently he didn't start in the supergroup. Maybe he's not planning to play all rounds?
Ah, I didn't know that's how it worked (whether or not that's the case for Ondrej).
Author:  Kanin [ Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: European Go Championship
hyperpape wrote:
Isn't it a mistake that Ondrej is listed with an MMS of 35 after two rounds?


Ondrej apparently didn't hand in the the super group contract (which states he will be playing all rounds) in time. So he wasn't allowed to play in the top group. Luckily he still has chances to contend even with starting one MMS short.
Author:  guest14679 [ Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: European Go Championship
I was rooting for Sandmann after the strong start but with the loss to Lisy I guess I will pull for him if Viktor can not make a comeback.
Author:  walpurgis [ Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: European Go Championship
Results after round 3: http://egc2013.go.art.pl/EGC2013_main.html

Poll:

    Pavol Lisy ================ Won | 3W/0L
    Fan Hui ================== Won | 3W/0L
    Mateusz Surma ============ Won | 3W/0L
    Antti Tormanen ============ Won | 3W/0L
    Ondrej Silt ================ Won | 3W/0L (1 point less than top group)
    Thomas Debarre =========== Lost | 2W/1L
    Breakfast ================= Won | 2W/1L
    Ilya Shikshin ============== Won | 2W/1L
    Ali Jabarin ================ Won | 2W/1L
    Csaba Mero =============== Lost | 1W/2L
    Cornel Burzo ============== Won | 1W/2L

So far our collective guess of the stronger players this year has been pretty accurate. But still 7 more rounds to go.

Looks like next round we'll see Pavol vs. Antti and Fan Hui vs. Mateusz if I've understood right how the pairings work. I'm looking forward to seeing Antti and Mateusz (former/current? inseis in Japan and Korea) play each other, so here's hoping they both win or lose on round 4 :D
Author:  RBerenguel [ Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: European Go Championship
Go, Antti! Btw, Juri Kuronen also won today (2/3.) I still have faith on him!
Author:  hyperpape [ Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: European Go Championship
Interesting results for the poll. I guess Fan Hui got all the cold hearted rationalists, and Antti got all the sentimentalists, leaving poor Ilja in a distant third.

Also, what can you all tell me about Pavol Lisy? I have heard the name, but know almost nothing about him.
Author:  OferZ [ Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:04 am ]
Post subject:  Pavol
I've been studying in Korea with Pavol in 2009.
Back then he was around 1k-1d and perhaps 15 years old (which makes him around 19 now), maybe younger...
But he's been playing since the age of 6.
He showed great reading ability there, and generally an aggressive style.
I think playing with strong players was the main thing that helped him get his talent to the next level.
He didn't like studying, but he learned many josekis there and started putting them to use.
When he got back to Europe (after only 3 months) he started showing great results immediately and progressed to from 2d to 3d in 2009 and to 5d in 2010. Since 2012 he's a steady 6d.

I'd say in general his main attributes are strong reading, fighting spirit and good concentration.
Author:  daal [ Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: European Go Championship
hyperpape wrote:
Interesting results for the poll. I guess Fan Hui got all the cold hearted rationalists, and Antti got all the sentimentalists, leaving poor Ilja in a distant third.

Also, what can you all tell me about Pavol Lisy? I have heard the name, but know almost nothing about him.


He's "cheater" on KGS.
Author:  lobotommy [ Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: European Go Championship
Today Mateusz Surma lost to Fan, and Thomas Debarre won against a korean player.
I'm sad and happy in the same time :)

Fan is strong, but today's game with Mateusz was very close and was decided at the very end so I still hope that Mateusz can win EGC. Just Fan need to lost one game :)
Author:  tj86430 [ Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: European Go Championship
Any result on Antti vs Pavol?
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