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What is your primary OS?
Windows 48%  48%  [ 42 ]
Mac 19%  19%  [ 17 ]
Linux 33%  33%  [ 29 ]
BSD 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Other 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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Post #21 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:22 am 
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The only real answer to this question for me is yes. I currently use mac, windows, and linux on a regular basis, although most of my time is in mac and linux (Ubuntu 11.10)

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Post #22 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:27 am 
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Since I'm no gamer (besides go) and do a lot of software development (as a hobbie and for work) I use Linux excusively for maybe ten years now. Although, from time to time I have VirtualBox open for synchronizing my Garmin Forerunner.

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Post #23 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:05 am 
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Even default applications in Ubuntu had tons of inconsistencies. A quick example: would Ctrl-Q work in any given application? Probably, but you might also need to try Ctrl-W or even Ctrl-Shift-Q.

Malformed dialogue boxes are another source of trouble--it is rare that you should use "yes" or "no" instead of descriptive choices.

Most of what I might complain about is specific to particular applications, dialogues, etc., rather than system level issues, but they're pervasive. When most applications that you use on a daily basis have crappy usability, it becomes harder to justify the effort to make yours better, or you even lose an eye for problems because you never see better examples.

Of course it's not the case that Apple is perfect: right now I have iTunes open on Windows and there is no keyboard shortcut to close the application. *facepalm*

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Post #24 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:24 am 
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Of course it's not the case that Apple is perfect: right now I have iTunes open on Windows and there is no keyboard shortcut to close the application. *facepalm*


Control-Q doesn't work?

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Post #25 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:56 am 
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Not wanting to worry about keeping virus protection and firewall up to date might be one.


- Security is easy to handle. Disabling common sources of troubles like remote control have usually been enough. Half of Windows updates are about fixing security issues in remote control that never sounded a good idea. Viruses aren't nearly as big thing as they were ten years ago. Bulky virus scanners automatically running and updating themselves, hogging system resources makes me wonder are they any better than what common malware used to be in the past. What concerns me most about security is privacy. Sites like Facebook just hoard personal details of all your 'likes', names you search and sites you visit. Who knows where this all ends up.


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Post #26 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:38 pm 
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Win 7 / Kubuntu 11.04

i have used mainly Linux for 3 years or so, but since last upgrade it has started overheating my notebook (fan is screaming most of the time), and i didn't bother enough to solve the problem (any tips? downgrade should work :)), so i mostly came over to win. and Visual Studio 2010 is slightly better than MonoDevelop

my desktop has some HW issues with linux, and family is not so enthusiastic about lin, so again win

otherwise, philosophically i support linux 100%. am i going to pay $100 for windows? no. do i choose unofficial copy of windows or do i choose linux, that comes with equal functionality* for free?

*oh yes, i said it has issues with my HW and not all software is suited for it. but i can always blame HW&SW producers for their limited support

PS: writing this post again gave me some motivation to return back to lin. thank you

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Post #27 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:43 pm 
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I primarily used Ubuntu for four years. There were a lot of minor irritants, but the glaring problem was that Word is still the fastest, most convenient, and most compatible word processor. I tried AbiWord, KWord, and OpenOffice, but they're all so slow and so irritating. When you have to make plans to use XP or a Mac for anything that matters, it sort of ruins the point of "primarily" using Linux.

One thing I originally disliked about Windows is that it would perpetually pester me to update this and update that. By the time I switched back, Ubuntu was even worse.

Anyway, there were things I liked about it, but I wasn't getting more comfortable with Ubuntu or using it more efficiently as time went on. I eventually stopped using it because CGoban was intermittently not working, Easier just to switch back to XP full-time.

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Post #28 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:38 pm 
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Of course it's not the case that Apple is perfect: right now I have iTunes open on Windows and there is no keyboard shortcut to close the application. *facepalm*


Control-Q doesn't work?
Nope. But it turns out that Ctrl-W does work :oops: . However, it isn't listed in the file menu along with the Exit command, so I don't feel too badly embarrassed.

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Post #29 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:53 pm 
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How could you make a poll like this with only one choice?
I thought about allowing multiple choices, but I was more interested in what people prefer to use as their primary OS, not to list every OS they use. And for that reason I didn't include mobile. The only thing I use Windows for anymore is games and Blu-rays, but if I were to include Windows as my choice as well that would artificially inflate the numbers.

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Post #30 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:17 pm 
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How could you make a poll like this with only one choice?
I thought about allowing multiple choices, but I was more interested in what people prefer to use as their primary OS, not to list every OS they use. And for that reason I didn't include mobile. The only thing I use Windows for anymore is games and Blu-rays, but if I were to include Windows as my choice as well that would artificially inflate the numbers.

So games and video aren't real (are artificial)? Go is imaginary? What are you doing here? Or are you even here? Maybe it is all just a hallucination! :mrgreen:

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Post #31 Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:39 am 
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It is difficult [...] to replace the window manager with something more powerful.


I am not sure what you mean by window manager. The shell can be replaced by, for example, the PowerShell (if you like a DOS-like GUI). The task manager can be the Sysinternals ProcessExplorer.


The window manager is the program that manages window placement and appearance. For instance, as a trivial example, the mac window manager places the 'close window' button at the top left of the window whereas the Windows wm places it at the top right. Much more significant differences can be seen if you compare tiling window managers with floating window managers, or even the flashy effects of modern wms compared to windows 3.1 ;)

I like using xmonad, which is a tiling window manager. Windows does not offer this functionality out of the box, though it is possible to get similar results with third party add-ons. I don't think it's possible to simply replace the wm with xmonad, though, which is (for me) a point against windows. This probably also imposes a minor performance penalty, but whether this matters is a matter of opinion and circumstance.

I'm not saying that windows doesn't have tools available to do stuff any way you want to, including in power user terms, but I think linux lets me do it better and more easily. In part, because it's generally more designed to do so. Of course, this backfires for new users when it comes to the common 'why isn't there just one good distro?' question, but that's just not the point :D .

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Post #32 Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:01 am 
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Ubuntu 10.04. I will upgrade when 12.04 comes out.

Even though I use Linux, I don't delight in changing my OS every six months.


You might be interested in a distro like Linux Mint, particularly the new(ish) debian based version that's rolling release. In principle, that means you never need to actively upgrade, as everything is incrementally upgraded when the update is available. Mint also is very well thought of as a competitor to Ubuntu's user-friendliness.

Depending on how you have ubuntu installed, you wouldn't lose any data, and could possibly even keep your current program settings etc. in the same way that ubuntu does when you upgrade. Though depending on how you have ubuntu installed, this also may not be possible.

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Post #33 Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:18 am 
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Going to school for computer science taught me (among other things), that I really, really don't want to spend my free time customizing computer systems and such. As such, I use windows because it came on my laptop, and I try to mess with things as rarely as possible.

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Post #34 Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:16 am 
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Win 7 / Kubuntu 11.04

i have used mainly Linux for 3 years or so, but since last upgrade it has started overheating my notebook (fan is screaming most of the time) ...any tips? ...


Have you checked your battery pack? If the batteries are getting old, the internal resistance may rise enough to overwork your batter charger, then the fan has to work harder to keep it cool.

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Post #35 Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:06 am 
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Going to school for computer science taught me (among other things), that I really, really don't want to spend my free time customizing computer systems and such. As such, I use windows because it came on my laptop, and I try to mess with things as rarely as possible.


I will echo these sentiments.

Now, as an ambitious programmer-wannabe (and as a sysadmin), I dream of being in complete control (can I has ATCA chassis w/ blade servers all running multiple VMs of various flavours, plz? I haz netwurk sk1llz, mebbe?). The reality is, though, I don't have the time to learn what I need to learn to make Linux (any flavour) my go-to OS (or OSX, for that matter). My company works on Windows, and my netbook came with Windows. That's what I use.

As a side note, my home PC is on for less than an hour a day (on average), so I'm not exactly the typical user. I have no cell phone (we have one flip-phone for the family), so I don't have a mobile OS either.

Yay for outlier data points?

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Have you checked your battery pack? If the batteries are getting old, the internal resistance may rise enough to overwork your batter charger, then the fan has to work harder to keep it cool.

i have not. the notebook and its batteries are 1 year old, but my main point was that the wins are still quiet and keep CPU at average 5°C colder than linux (if both thermometers are reliable). another thing is that i started caring about the temperatures more around the time of the kubuntu upgrade and now i don't remember how was it with with the previous version (10.04), if it behaved better or same as the current one

anyway, thank you for your interest, but i suppose this is getting away from the original topic of the thread

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I'm using Ubuntu 11.04 on all my systems. I don't have a windows computer in the house at all. I'm planning on switching to Ubuntu 11.10, but not until after I finish switching KGS over to the new ISP and finish up a project on my day job also. I've learned to never do a major upgrade unless you are in between projects.

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Post #38 Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:12 pm 
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Marcus wrote:
Chew Terr wrote:
Going to school for computer science taught me (among other things), that I really, really don't want to spend my free time customizing computer systems and such. As such, I use windows because it came on my laptop, and I try to mess with things as rarely as possible.


I will echo these sentiments.

... My company works on Windows, and my netbook came with Windows. That's what I use.


I'm mostly the same as these two guys -- except Mac for me.

Working in the computer industry and with programmers, I don't have time to be constantly installing, rebooting, configuring any machine. Its just a tool, and I've got work to do.

My company hands me a Windows laptop -- I use that (except that I will install Cygwin on it and then spend most of my time in the shell) -- but I switched to Mac as soon as they allowed me to switch. Most of our backend servers are linux (usually RedHat), so I'm on the commandline 90% of the time anyway.

At home, my whole family (5) is now off Windows and all on Mac. Yay!

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Post #39 Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:12 pm 
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You know, I can't help but wonder ... why are so many so anxious to be off Windows? I mean, having done Windows support for years, I do understand some of the challenges ... but issues with Windows stability and vulnerability always seem to be blown WAY out of proportion to the reality (as are issues with Linux usability, in my opinion ... but I digress).

I understand that many of you have a preference for an OS other than Windows. I find that acceptable. I just don't believe Windows is the inferior choice overall. Different tools for different jobs, right?

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Marcus wrote:
You know, I can't help but wonder ... why are so many so anxious to be off Windows? I mean, having done Windows support for years, I do understand some of the challenges ... but issues with Windows stability and vulnerability always seem to be blown WAY out of proportion to the reality (as are issues with Linux usability, in my opinion ... but I digress).

I understand that many of you have a preference for an OS other than Windows. I find that acceptable. I just don't believe Windows is the inferior choice overall. Different tools for different jobs, right?


I've always owned PCs because of the price, and the need to use software for work that wasn't available for Macs. I remember with Windows 98 that problems would accumulate and I'd have to reinstall the OS every few months. But since then I've found each new version of windows to be more stable than the previous one. There is still the issue of hardware conflicts with PCs that you theoretically don't have with macs. My sister bought a Dell with Vista that has some kind of weird configuration issue so it would crash after automatic updates. I had to wipe the windows partition and reinstall Vista from scratch 3 times, plus turn off automatic updating. Now they have a dual boot with Ubuntu to keep them online until I can get out there and fix their problems.

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