Game Against Breakfast: (Ongoing)

shapenaji · #1

Hey folks, thought I'd post the sgf from my game against breakfast on OGS. It's starting to get spicy,

(Since this IS an ongoing game, I ask that folks refrain from opinions about future lines of play or weaknesses in various positions around the board. I don't know that it's possible to comment much yet, but I'll post the sgf's as they get updated and there might be some windows to talk about stuff.)

(Especially when I get hosed in a fight)

EDIT: to minimize threadspace, I'll keep the sgf at the top updated.

Uberdude · #2

f17 is a little unusual, large knight at g17 is more normal (50 to 20 hits in GoGoD), but I don't think it's bad. However, for sure I think c17 is bad (0 hits in GoGoD). If you play the large knight then you can block at 3-3 as the corner is bigger, with f17 the corner is too small to block. Even with the large knight tenuki is common as to give black the b16 slide in sente to strengthen his group in sente is kind. But the downside of tenuki with g17 is black can play d17 rather than just c17 next, with the small knight that is not possible as you just cut and ladder it.

tchan001 · #3

Good luck with the game

Hope you win

shapenaji · #4

Uberdude wrote:

f17 is a little unusual, large knight at g17 is more normal (50 to 20 hits in GoGoD), but I don't think it's bad. However, for sure I think c17 is bad (0 hits in GoGoD). If you play the large knight then you can block at 3-3 as the corner is bigger, with f17 the corner is too small to block. Even with the large knight tenuki is common as to give black the b16 slide in sente to strengthen his group in sente is kind. But the downside of tenuki with g17 is black can play d17 rather than just c17 next, with the small knight that is not possible as you just cut and ladder it.

I had some logic for taking 3x3, but I agree, it's slow. Hopefully I'll get to play some of the follow-ups there.

shapenaji · #5

Updated, some very interesting stuff just happened, wracking my brain trying to figure out the direction of play from here...

Uberdude · #6

Interesting trade on the right side; hard for me to judge who it is good for but doesn't immediately seem bad for you. But why didn't breakfast connect the r5 atari? Yes that exchange does help you a little bit if you then p7 and in the future the r9 liberty does a bit more for you (though still gote). But after p7 black ataris in sente and then m3 and the white group on the right is still unsettled.

EDIT: hmm maybe you tenuki r6 atari to come back to m3 and the p7 for r6 exchange has helped your group make a bit of shape as shielding kikashi so it's harder for him to attack it?

shapenaji · #7

I played r5 because once he played N4, my squeeze aji was disappearing, and I read a bunch of sequences where he plays M9 or somesuch and then when I'm rushing to live, I kept coming up against the fact that he could give up the stone at Q5 and connect R7 underneath.

Now, as to why he let me have the stone, I'm not totally sure. M3 is enormous for me, and his M3 checks the growth of K3. I assumed he would connect and then I'd M3 and I'd get to use the R5 aji to protect O9.

Pretty happy with this , but now I'm worried about B17, it's big, but it also feels slow...

EDIT: These positions are always the hardest for me... the broad, shallow ones.

Loons · #8

How do you count it right now?

shapenaji · #9

Loons wrote:

How do you count it right now?

Well, currently I have points and he doesn't. I count myself with about 50 solid points (40 if I give him a generous endgame) and him with about 25 solid points.

But that doesn't really tell the whole story. I have pretty much no territory on the bottom (it looks like a big framework, but it's very easy for him to invade) and this is going to come down to fighting in the center.

Loons · **#10**

Possibly not for Shapenaji

Shaddy · **#11**

Loons wrote:

Possibly not for Shapenaji

Numsgil · **#12**

@ D5 - why? I'm guessing it's for sente, but the sente play you take isn't urgent or all that big. So... more a stylistic choice?

shapenaji · **#13**

Numsgil: In this case, it sorta called out to me, I felt it left less awkward aji on my end and more possibilities to abuse the aji around D2...

Just solidly blocking gives a lot of thickness, but he's absolutely alive, I guess I may have been a little too tricky.

shapenaji · **#14**

Updated!

stalkor · **#15**

is this game over yet? havent seen an update in a while

hyperpape · **#16**

Still going: http://www.online-go.com/games/board.php?boardID=348064.

shapenaji · **#17**

Finally finished this one up. Thoughts? he broke my back in the middle, looking back, N10... It let him push in, maybe that was a problem, but I'm not sure.

bayu · **#18**

I enjoyed the game. Thanks a lot for posting it.

Here are some comments (from the 2kyu section. To open the discussion.. I happily stand corrected and learn some things)

I got the feeling that you were way to aggressive, always looking for a contact fight. Did you feel OK playing against breakfast or were you overly frightened? Many moves seem to be desperate attempts to me. Maybe you were already behind and you had to play like this to have a chance. I'd be very happy to see comments about this from other 19x19ers.

move 30: P5 seems premature. I'd prefer N3
move 32: again, not convinced that this is a good idea that early in the game.
move 38: OK it's attaching to a strong stone. But I don't see the purpose.
move 40: crosscut first, think later? Black builds influence that is going to hurt K3.
move 55: The fight gave you territory in a part of the board where you shouldn't have been able to get any territory at all. I have the feeling that you paid a very high prize for this and black was toying with you. I was fearing about the aji of the three "dead" black stones on the righthand side for most of the game. And I find it strange that black never explicitely activated it.
move 56: Again, is this really called for?
move 65: this seems like game over to me. The white wall to the left became very useless
move 72: again a deep reduction move. Is it not better to reduce from the left? Well at least you got a nice cut at K11, so it was maybe OK.
moves 112 and 114: I find this combination highly contradictory. With 112 you say: I try to kill you, with 114 you say: I make you stronger.

Uberdude · **#19**

breakfast made some comments: http://gosensations.com/?id=2&server_id=8&new_id=1387

He thought the trade in the lower right was good for you.

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