Thanks, Chew! I'm experimenting with 3-4 pincers in general, so I've been playing almost exclusively 3-4 points in my games. I like that 2 space high pincer quite a bit, often it tricks black into living really cramped and giving White good results on both sides . The 1 space low against the high approach also has some nasty variations .

Edit: Something I forgot to add, thanks to Explo and Shaddy for the excellent review!

Game Three of Redundant vs. Redstick has been moved to tomorrow at 7pm est.

Me and Nikolas will be playing game 4 tomorrow night at 8pm est (i think!)

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Karaklis and me are playing our first 2. round match tomorrow at 10am UTC+1.

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Padic vs Aphelion Game 3 is currently on KGS

Here is game 3 of the series between Aphelion (B) and Padic (W). Result is B + 10.5. With this I win our series, thanks padic for a great set of games!

Included is a review from Duskeagle and Shaddy.

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[padic]PB[Aphelion02]WR[5k]BR[6k]DT[2010-05-28]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[B+10.50]
;B[qd]BL[1797.559]C[padic [5k\]: enjoy the game
Aphelion02 [6k\]: have a good game
]
;W[dd]WL[1784.817]
;B[pq]BL[1788.626]
;W[dq]WL[1759.252]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: but then i realized
]
(;B[oc]BL[1779.23]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i want to limit the top more
]
(;W[po]WL[1688.301]
;B[pl]BL[1772.357]LB[mo:D][no:A][mp:C][np:B]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: this is a good pincer
padic [5k\]: congratulations on the series by the way
Aphelion02 [6k\]: thanks padic
padic [5k\]: haha, I had
Aphelion02 [6k\]: isn't B really hard
DuskEagle [2k\]: these moves are normal joseki
padic [5k\]: was actually hoping for your normal tricky move
Shadonra [1d\]: lol
Shadonra [1d\]: have a look at redundant's record, like 95% +r
Aphelion02 [6k\]: so i smine
Aphelion02 [6k\]: if you clude those
Aphelion02 [6k\]: that are +55
Aphelion02 [6k\]: or so
Shadonra [1d\]: damn
Shadonra [1d\]: you people are violent
Shadonra [1d\]: i only have 60% +r
Shadonra [1d\]: ... and 30% +t
Aphelion02 [6k\]: oh i don't have much +t
Aphelion02 [6k\]: hehe
Shadonra [1d\]: dans apparently hate resigning
Shadonra [1d\]: they'll let time run out
]
;W[qq]WL[1663.285]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: but this move isn't very good when black has pincered here
Shadonra [1d\]: i count by putting my hand in my territory
Shadonra [1d\]: ask myself, can i put my hand in his territory?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: hahaha
Aphelion02 [6k\]: how big are you rhands
Shadonra [1d\]: average, i'd say
Aphelion02 [6k\]: my screen is small
Aphelion02 [6k\]: so if i do that
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i have to kill all
Shadonra [1d\]: well yeah
Shadonra [1d\]: that's the point
padic [5k\]: haha
Shadonra [1d\]: my hand's about half the board on my monitor
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i have a laptop
Shadonra [1d\]: and a significant number of my games end in half the board is mine, half is his
Aphelion02 [6k\]: so mine is about
Aphelion02 [6k\]: the area between the 4 corner star points
Shadonra [1d\]: lol, wow
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but when i was around 8k or so
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i'd never play p17
Aphelion02 [6k\]: it wouldbe f17 for certain
]
;B[qr]BL[1769.371]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i would play r7, but i've been playing it vs him all series
]
;W[qp]WL[1618.918]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: so i was sure he studied
padic [5k\]: what's better, jumping out?
]
;B[or]BL[1707.582]
;W[qm]WL[1555.057]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: this is why it's bad
]
;B[ql]BL[1704.699]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: white gets this bad shape
padic [5k\]: yeah, wasn't very happy with that
DuskEagle [2k\]: and black gets a lot on the right
]
;W[rm]WL[1514.692]
;B[do]BL[1610.099]
;W[co]WL[1493.29]
;B[dp]BL[1571.965]
;W[cp]WL[1486.351]
;B[eq]BL[1568.966]
;W[dr]WL[1467.476]
;B[dn]BL[1548.421]
;W[jq]WL[1392.762]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: *problematic
]
(;B[np]BL[1529.838]
;W[gq]WL[1354.968]
;B[er]BL[1523.752]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: was questionable about this nadare
Aphelion02 [6k\]: maybe o4 was roblematic
Aphelion02 [6k\]: or might be at n3?
]
;W[bq]WL[1292.493]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: maybei should have just played the normal safe joseki
DuskEagle [2k\]: i don't really know avalance too well
DuskEagle [2k\]: this seemed ok enough
]
(;B[hr]BL[1393.863]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: but this is too early
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
Aphelion02 [6k\]: was bad
padic [5k\]: right
]
;W[gr]WL[1221.486]
;B[iq]BL[1323.887]
;W[ip]WL[1142.336]
;B[jr]BL[1318.87]
;W[hq]WL[1136.497]
;B[ir]BL[1315.879]C[padic [5k\]: you too
]
(;W[fp]WL[1133.374]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: very ver tempted to play l3 though
Aphelion02 [6k\]: *very
DuskEagle [2k\]: i didn't really like this move tbh, it felt a bit aji keshi to me
DuskEagle [2k\]: i could be wrong
]
;B[ep]BL[1290.341]
;W[kq]WL[1106.528]
;B[kr]BL[1286.258]
(;W[lp]WL[1063.982]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: this is bad shape
]
;B[mq]BL[1219.062]
;W[lq]WL[1054.516]
;B[lr]BL[1215.077]
;W[fn]WL[1006.636]
;B[cn]BL[1200.133]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: but hyou realy should have played some move
Aphelion02 [6k\]: like pincer
DuskEagle [2k\]: i agree
Aphelion02 [6k\]: or e8
]
(;W[bo]WL[977.642]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i got away with c6
]
;B[el]BL[1170.368]
;W[dj]WL[958.439]
;B[fk]BL[1090.389]
;W[cg]WL[929.783]
;B[go]BL[1047.249]
;W[fo]WL[794.387]
;B[io]BL[1044.165]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: this is a strong attack it seems
]
;W[hp]WL[742.679]
;B[jo]BL[1035.469]
;W[jp]WL[539.884]
(;B[im]BL[995.166]
;W[ko]WL[485.896]
;B[gn]BL[914.721]C[padic [5k\]: it was meant to help in a fight like this
]
;W[mo]WL[451.243]
;B[no]BL[900.286]
;W[nn]WL[352.677]
;B[on]BL[886.883]
;W[mn]WL[336.439]C[padic [5k\]: yeah, I feel like f6 was misplaced
]
;B[km]BL[822.326]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: maybei shoud have taken l5 myself?
]
;W[mp]WL[239.721]
;B[oo]BL[751.038]
;W[kn]WL[200.51]
;B[ll]BL[719.684]C[padic [5k\]: hm, b5 was also pointless yeah
padic [5k\]: but f6 gave me a false sense of security I think
]
(;W[rr]WL[167.895]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: u gotta smell blood in the water
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i was in trouble
DuskEagle [2k\]: i think white's move here is forced
]
;B[nl]BL[681.145]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: now black gets this lovely wall
]
;W[mm]WL[137.417]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
padic [5k\]: I thought you'd take the last midpoint
Aphelion02 [6k\]: really didn't want to connect
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but yea that sure was big
]
(;B[ml]BL[638.667]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: i think this is a fine move for black tbh
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea i was miffed white protected this in sente
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but if i didn't protect
padic [5k\]: not sure this was really sente?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i'd have all thoughts of troubles
Aphelion02 [6k\]: *sorts
DuskEagle [2k\]: yeah, but I prefer my groups to be thick for the fight ahead than to just take sente
Aphelion02 [6k\]: plus i like the look of solid walls
DuskEagle [2k\]: me too
]
(;W[jd]WL[121.382]C[padic [5k\]: hm, I guess.. still looks better for black to me, I was happy to be able to get a group on top
Aphelion02 [6k\]: quite skeptical of my play after this
Aphelion02 [6k\]: game felt weird for me after this
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i knew that my influence was worth al ot
padic [5k\]: I regret letting you get s8, shouldn't have let the reduction there wait so long :/
Aphelion02 [6k\]: oh yea
Aphelion02 [6k\]: iw as sure u were going to play it
Aphelion02 [6k\]: at any moment
Aphelion02 [6k\]: so the moment u made any move
Aphelion02 [6k\]: that wasn't strictly sente
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i was covering
Aphelion02 [6k\]: it
padic [5k\]: yeah.. you ended up reducing me instead
Aphelion02 [6k\]: haha
DuskEagle [2k\]: i can review the opening if you want
padic [5k\]: sure, that'd be helpful
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yes, please
DuskEagle [2k\]: this may be fine too though
]
(;B[fd]BL[618.885]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: kquestionable?
DuskEagle [2k\]: i think this is a good idea actually - you're looking for something to attack, and white gave you it
]
(;W[gc]WL[107.827]C[CSamurai [5k\]: A cat is fine too.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: huh?
DuskEagle [2k\]: this move is bad shape again - it strengthens black and hurts your own stone when black responds
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i like o16
]
;B[fc]BL[616.134]
;W[gb]WL[99.618]
(;B[fb]BL[568.896]
;W[db]WL[80.077]
;B[gd]BL[554.069]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: was aiming at c17
]
;W[ic]WL[49.254]
;B[hd]BL[532.341]
;W[lc]WL[37.838]
;B[le]BL[495.839]
;W[md]WL[19.62]
;B[me]BL[490.204]
;W[nd]WL[17.782]
;B[of]BL[487.551]
;W[ck]WL[5.312]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: black has a huge center now
]
;B[dl]BL[292.101]
;W[jf]WL[60]OW[5]
(;B[ff]BL[190.074]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i thought this would threaten c15
DuskEagle [2k\]: this makes for a weaker group though
]
(;W[eg]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[fg]BL[155.039]
(;W[ef]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ee]BL[124.413]
;W[de]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[eh]BL[39.201]
;W[dh]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[kg]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[jg]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[jh]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[hg]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[kf]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[je]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ei]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ih]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ii]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ji]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[kh]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[hi]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ij]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[hj]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[hk]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ik]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[jj]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[gk]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[hl]BL[60]OB[5]
(;W[gj]WL[60]OW[4]
;B[gh]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[hh]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[gl]BL[60]OB[5]C[Shadonra [1d\]: why d11?
Shadonra [1d\]: seems meaningless
]
;W[di]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[fj]BL[60]OB[5]C[Shadonra [1d\]: sente i guess
]
;W[od]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[pd]BL[60]OB[5]C[Shadonra [1d\]: probably alive though, in that case s8 is better
Aphelion02 [6k\]: so that must have meant s8 was sente for me
Shadonra [1d\]: or 9
]
(;W[qs]WL[60]OW[2]C[Shadonra [1d\]: good
Aphelion02 [6k\]: well s9
Aphelion02 [6k\]: for white
]
;B[rl]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[pr]WL[60]OW[2]C[padic [5k\]: yeah, just patching up in sente I think
]
;B[oq]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[nc]WL[60]OW[2]C[padic [5k\]: r1 was good?
Shadonra [1d\]: yes
Aphelion02 [6k\]: isn't s8
Aphelion02 [6k\]: bigger
]
;B[ob]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[nb]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[sm]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[rn]WL[60]OW[1]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: oh
]
(;B[sn]BL[60]OB[5]C[Shadonra [1d\]: nah, leave it
Shadonra [1d\]: this is gote
]
;W[so]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[sl]BL[60]OB[5]
(;W[ro]WL[60]OW[1]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i thought it was sente
]
;B[ds]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[cs]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[es]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[cr]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[ga]BL[60]OB[4]
(;W[ib]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[pa]BL[60]OB[4]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: ?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: oh this
Shadonra [1d\]: what
Aphelion02 [6k\]: eh
DuskEagle [2k\]: white should have p19 isntead of j18 imo
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i thought i could threaten
Aphelion02 [6k\]: a ko
Aphelion02 [6k\]: so it would be sente
]
;W[bm]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[na]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ma]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[mb]BL[60]OB[4]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: this is also okay
]
;W[oa]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[cc]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[dc]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[na]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ej]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fi]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[oa]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[df]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[pb]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[dg]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[cf]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[pc]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[qa]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[qb]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[pa]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[cl]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[bl]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[ra]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[na]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[rb]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ha]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fa]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[he]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[kd]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[kc]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[da]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ca]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[ea]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[cb]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[ge]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[hf]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[hc]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[hb]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[os]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[hs]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[is]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[gs]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[bn]BL[60]OB[4]C[Shadonra [1d\]: sorry, my endgame is horrid
Shadonra [1d\]: i can't really review this
Aphelion02 [6k\]: haha
]
;W[an]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[oe]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ld]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[lm]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ln]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fm]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ne]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[nf]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[pn]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[om]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[cm]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[dm]BL[60]OB[4]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: so i am forced to count
]
;W[jn]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[in]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[jm]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[jl]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ho]WL[60]OW[1]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: just kill in midgame
Shadonra [1d\]: nah, kill in opening
Shadonra [1d\]: trick plays
Aphelion02 [6k\]: lol
padic [5k\]: heh
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i think i gained in end game though
DuskEagle [2k\]: g2g cya
Aphelion02 [6k\]: cya dusk
Shadonra [1d\]: i'm never quite comfortable without a 30 pt lead in the opening
Shadonra [1d\]: /shrug
padic [5k\]: including the s8 business I think you certainly gained
Aphelion02 [6k\]: me too, i'm trying to wean myself from it
Aphelion02 [6k\]: so i'm playing more territorially
]
;B[ke]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[hn]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[hm]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[dk]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[ps]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[qr]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[en]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[mr]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[nq]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ls]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[nr]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[id]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[pp]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[gg]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[gi]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[gp]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[gm]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[pm]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[]WL[60]OW[1]TW[aa][ba][ia][ja][ka][la][ab][bb][jb][kb][lb][mb][ac][bc][cc][jc][mc][ad][bd][cd][ae][be][ce][ie][af][bf][if][ag][bg][ig][ah][bh][ch][ai][bi][ci][aj][bj][cj][ak][bk][al][am][qn][ao][lo][qo][ap][bp][kp][rp][sp][aq][cq][rq][sq][ar][br][sr][as][bs][rs][ss]TB[sa][sb][qc][rc][sc][rd][sd][fe][pe][qe][re][se][ef][lf][mf][pf][qf][rf][sf][eg][lg][mg][ng][og][pg][qg][rg][sg][fh][lh][mh][nh][oh][ph][qh][rh][sh][ji][ki][li][mi][ni][oi][pi][qi][ri][si][kj][lj][mj][nj][oj][pj][qj][rj][sj][ik][jk][kk][lk][mk][nk][ok][pk][qk][rk][sk][fl][il][kl][ol][em][op][mr][js][ks][ls][ms][ns]C[padic [5k\]: thanks
Aphelion02 [6k\]: thanks
DuskEagle [2k\]: gg guys
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
Aphelion02 [6k\]: my attack on the bottom
Aphelion02 [6k\]: was so unreasonable
padic [5k\]: very nearly worked though
DuskEagle [2k\]: you got a lot out of it though
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
DuskEagle [2k\]: it did work
padic [5k\]: well, it did work in the sense that you got that wall
Aphelion02 [6k\]: a little miffed that white got k16
padic [5k\]: very nearly killed, I mean
Aphelion02 [6k\]: nah
Aphelion02 [6k\]: it wouldn't have worked
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i had too much stuff
Aphelion02 [6k\]: to worry about
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i was just hoping to seal
DuskEagle [2k\]: white only got two points - i'd call that working
Aphelion02 [6k\]: well killed i mean
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but yea i was really happy
Aphelion02 [6k\]: to get that huge wall
Aphelion02 [6k\]: man it was hard to use though
padic [5k\]: I was surprised at, IIRC, n8?
])
(;W[hb]C[Shadonra [1d\]: the shape is kind of bad, maybe p18 should be q18
]
;B[na]C[Shadonra [1d\]: this is also sente
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but iwas readingo19
Aphelion02 [6k\]: didn't i ahve to go back
Aphelion02 [6k\]: to fix the cut?
]
;W[ma]
;B[oa]
(;W[pc]
;B[pb]
;W[qc]
;B[qb]
;W[rc]
;B[rb]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: argh
]
;W[rd]
;B[re]
(;W[oe])
(;W[pe]
;B[qe]
;W[oe]
;B[pf]C[Shadonra [1d\]: hm, maybe
]))
(;W[lb]
;B[oe]C[Shadonra [1d\]: or patch like this
Aphelion02 [6k\]: ahh
])))
(;W[ds]
;B[ro]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: r6?
Shadonra [1d\]: .. doh?
Shadonra [1d\]: my endgame is crap
]
;W[sp]))
(;B[oa])
(;B[na])
(;B[ds]))
(;W[rk]C[padic [5k\]: wasn't sure about that one, played it out of nervousness
]
;B[rl]
;W[sl]
;B[rs]
;W[sr]
;B[pn]
;W[qn]
;B[ro]C[Shadonra [1d\]: the group's kind of in trouble
Shadonra [1d\]: i can't see if it's alive or dead
])
(;W[rl]
;B[rk]))
(;W[gl]LB[gj:A][fm:B]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: oops
DuskEagle [2k\]: this looks very bad for black
Aphelion02 [6k\]: game
DuskEagle [2k\]: i think he's dead
padic [5k\]: ouch
padic [5k\]: should've seen that
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea i was playig a really dangerous game
Aphelion02 [6k\]: haneing
Shadonra [1d\]: i think b can live
DuskEagle [2k\]: yep
Shadonra [1d\]: play b
DuskEagle [2k\]: really?
Shadonra [1d\]: start with f7
Shadonra [1d\]: it's sente
DuskEagle [2k\]: oops
]
(;B[em]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: f7
]
;W[fm]C[Shadonra [1d\]: that's e7
])
(;B[fm]C[Shadonra [1d\]: f10 is a good defense
]
(;W[gm]
;B[gj]
;W[hm]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: hmm
Shadonra [1d\]: can't break through
padic [5k\]: does e10 work, after f7?
]
;B[il])
(;W[ej]C[padic [5k\]: hm, no
])
(;W[gj]
;B[gm]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: gah
]
;W[ej]C[Shadonra [1d\]: that is g10
]
;B[fj]
;W[fi]C[Shadonra [1d\]:
])
(;W[fj]C[Shadonra [1d\]: can b afford to give those up?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i think g12 aji will save those
DuskEagle [2k\]: black only won by 10, so I don't think he can give these up and win
Shadonra [1d\]: well, it's half-alive
DuskEagle [2k\]: well, I had to go out after this part, so that's all I can review
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
Aphelion02 [6k\]: this is a problem
Aphelion02 [6k\]: shaddy, mind continuing?
Shadonra [1d\]: sure
padic [5k\]: thanks de
Aphelion02 [6k\]: thanks duskeagle!
]
;B[gh]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: since white will e10
]
;W[hh]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: erm maybe not now
]))))
(;W[eh]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: keep ahead in the push battle
]
;B[fh]
(;W[gi])
(;W[fi])))
(;W[fh]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: but he played e17, and i was just
Aphelion02 [6k\]: ugh
DuskEagle [2k\]: i might play this way as white actually
DuskEagle [2k\]: i want black driven to the right
DuskEagle [2k\]: so that i as white can enter the white area
DuskEagle [2k\]: *black area
]))
(;B[gg]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: better running shape
Aphelion02 [6k\]: wanted sente
]))
(;B[gd]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Internet meme, sorry.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: mm
DuskEagle [2k\]: seems better
padic [5k\]: what should white play instead of g17?
]))
(;W[hd]LB[mc:A]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: this is a good point for both
DuskEagle [2k\]: makes a base for both sides
padic [5k\]: ah right, more center-oriented
Aphelion02 [6k\]: ahh
DuskEagle [2k\]: white can aim for A later
DuskEagle [2k\]: after black's run out
]))
(;B[lc])
(;B[ld]))
(;W[ec]C[padic [5k\]: hmm
padic [5k\]: now black gets a huge framework?
DuskEagle [2k\]: white could take the corner like this, and black can't attack you
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but k16 for black gets really scary moyo
DuskEagle [2k\]: just a though
]
;B[jd]C[padic [5k\]: how does white proceed?
]
(;W[qe]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: o16?
])
(;W[jf]LB[rk:A]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: i might play this at my level
DuskEagle [2k\]: there's still a white move here
DuskEagle [2k\]: at 'A"
])))
(;B[jd]
;W[ml]
;B[mk]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: but ugh
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i like solid walls
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i guess
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i didn't want
Aphelion02 [6k\]: to have those cutting points materialize
Aphelion02 [6k\]: then i'd be losing chunks of stones
Aphelion02 [6k\]: here and there
Aphelion02 [6k\]: at n5
Aphelion02 [6k\]: and if it somehow affectd f9
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i was in big trouble
]))
(;W[nl]
;B[rq]
;W[rp]
;B[rr]
;W[rl]
;B[rk]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: i think white will die here
Aphelion02 [6k\]: mm
DuskEagle [2k\]: maybe white can do something - it's hard though
]
;W[pn]
;B[sl]))
(;B[ko]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: yeah, i think this would be good aphelion
]))
(;W[dk]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: haha i feel like magic wand
])
(;W[ck]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: such a hard group to run with
]))
(;W[lq]
;B[lr]
;W[mq]
;B[mr]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea i regretted this
Aphelion02 [6k\]: very very much
DuskEagle [2k\]: make black crawl
]))
(;W[kq]
;B[kr]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: he got quite a nice shape
]
;W[lq]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: at what point?
]
;B[lr]
;W[mq]
;B[mr]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: this would be perfect for white
padic [5k\]: can't black cut?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: black cut you kill
]
;W[ho]LB[ep:A]C[padic [5k\]: hmm, not this early I guess.. haven't counted
padic [5k\]: would have to be at one of the latest moves if at all
Aphelion02 [6k\]: f was a nice move
DuskEagle [2k\]: second line is line of defeat, and black's wall looks weak
Aphelion02 [6k\]: f4
Aphelion02 [6k\]: the problm was b5 really padic
Aphelion02 [6k\]: *problem
DuskEagle [2k\]: if white had played like this, black would still have a cutting point here
DuskEagle [2k\]: and it's harder to attack
]))
(;B[lq]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: you could do this aphelion
Aphelion02 [6k\]: it feels slow though
DuskEagle [2k\]: though it feels overconcentrated
]))
(;B[lq]C[DuskEagle [2k\]: go all the way to m3 i think
Aphelion02 [6k\]: oh yea m3
Aphelion02 [6k\]: thats what i meant
]))
(;W[qo]C[Shadonra [1d\]: no one plays this approach >.<
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i do
CSamurai [5k\]: No one?
CSamurai [5k\]: At all, ever?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: if i have top right
Shadonra [1d\]: very rare for me to see it
CSamurai [5k\]: I find that hard to believe.
]
;B[pl]
;W[op]
;B[pp]
;W[po]
;B[oo]C[Shadonra [1d\]: ok, what's w's next move
Aphelion02 [6k\]: woah
Aphelion02 [6k\]: p6
Aphelion02 [6k\]: for white
Aphelion02 [6k\]: p4?
CSamurai [5k\]: p4 is already played.
Shadonra [1d\]: that's already on the board
Aphelion02 [6k\]: o4
CSamurai [5k\]: p3?
Shadonra [1d\]: again, you're so violent
Shadonra [1d\]: this is a tesuji
]
(;W[on]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: that feels natura?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: oh no
]
;B[no]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i thought for black
Aphelion02 [6k\]: mm
])
(;W[np]
;B[on]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: s3
]
;W[rq]
;B[nr]C[Shadonra [1d\]: hmm
])
(;W[pm]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: what
Aphelion02 [6k\]: ahh
Shadonra [1d\]: dammit, what was the other joseki
Shadonra [1d\]: oh yeah
]
(;B[np]C[Shadonra [1d\]: yeah
]
;W[on]
;B[no]
(;W[ql])
(;W[ol]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: 123 principle
]))
(;B[on]
;W[om]
;B[pn]
;W[qn]
;B[qm]
;W[ql]
;B[rm]
;W[rl])
(;B[ol])
(;B[ql])
(;B[no]
;W[om]
;B[ql]
(;W[nq]C[Shadonra [1d\]: i think the idea is to leave this move for later
Aphelion02 [6k\]: thats so messed up
]
;B[mq]
;W[mr]
;B[nr]
;W[or]
;B[oq]
(;W[np])
(;W[ns]
;B[np]
;W[lq]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i don't like this for white
Shadonra [1d\]: black's corner isn't alive yet
CSamurai [5k\]: This looks like something I'd come up with.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but no ko threat?
]
;B[nr]
;W[ol]
(;B[pj]
;W[nq]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: mmm
]
(;B[mp]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: what if black just connect
Aphelion02 [6k\]: and ignore
Aphelion02 [6k\]: p8
])
(;B[pg]
;W[mp]
;B[mn]
;W[ll]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: eh black cannot allow n4
Shadonra [1d\]: it's certainly not comfortable
Shadonra [1d\]: that's true
]))
(;B[nq]
;W[pi]C[Shadonra [1d\]: ok, free profit
CSamurai [5k\]: Black may not be alive, but he's certainly out into the center.
]
;B[ok]
;W[pk]
;B[pj]
;W[oj]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Hard to seal in, even if you win the ko.
]
;B[qk]
;W[nk])))
(;W[mm]
;B[ph]
;W[jq]
;B[mq]C[Shadonra [1d\]: right
Shadonra [1d\]: there are messed up joseki in this world
Shadonra [1d\]: and if you don't know them i'm going to play them on you
Shadonra [1d\]: later!
Aphelion02 [6k\]: -_-
Aphelion02 [6k\]: note to self: play 3-3 vs shaddy
CSamurai [5k\]: But, the approach with black's upper right corner is pretty rare.
padic [5k\]: heh
CSamurai [5k\]: Usually you'll see a wedge.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: really
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i had 3-4 not 4-4 though
]))))
(;W[qk]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: seriously do not like playing vs them
]
;B[qi]
;W[qn]
;B[rp]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Black's happy with this result, white has to be sweating a little.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i'd be satisfied with this as black
padic [5k\]: yeah
Aphelion02 [6k\]: r9 is not good direction imo
CSamurai [5k\]: The ideal extension at r11 is very nice.
])
(;W[qi]C[CSamurai [5k\]: these are common.
padic [5k\]: r8 instead of r9, does that work?
]
(;B[qk]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Want to see what I see most of the time?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: this is fine?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: mini chinese?
]
(;W[qf]
(;B[do]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: this?
CSamurai [5k\]: Something like that.
])
(;B[qn]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Better for white.
])
(;B[pn]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea i think those shimari first fusekis for black
CSamurai [5k\]: Black is looser.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: are really obnoxious
]))
(;W[po]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: this?
CSamurai [5k\]: I play this opening almost exclusively.
CSamurai [5k\]: I rarely see this.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: show
]))
(;B[ql]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: not severe enough for my taste
padic [5k\]: seems to work better if you get the enclosure later
CSamurai [5k\]: r9 is better, needs a followup.
padic [5k\]: okay
]))
(;W[qj]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: that looks normal
CSamurai [5k\]: This is kinda wishy washy for white.
]
;B[ql]
(;W[qg]
;B[po]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Black settles for strong territory in both corners.
CSamurai [5k\]: White has a move, but nothing is strongly attackable.
])
(;W[po]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: definitely overplay style
CSamurai [5k\]: This one is interesting, but, yes, overplay.
]
;B[qo]
;W[qn]
;B[qp]
;W[pn]
;B[ol]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
Aphelion02 [6k\]: o5
]
(;W[no]
;B[nq]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: no
Aphelion02 [6k\]: o6
Aphelion02 [6k\]: will be at p3
CSamurai [5k\]: o5?
])
(;W[oq]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: sorry
]
;B[or]
;W[nq]
;B[pi]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Fine by black.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: cutcut!
CSamurai [5k\]: Cut where?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: q10
]
;W[pj]
;B[oj]
(;W[qi]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yes, but if i were in the mood to play r5
]
;B[ph]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: nah
]
;W[qh]
;B[pg]
;W[qf]
;B[pk]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: p11
Aphelion02 [6k\]: for maximal overplay
CSamurai [5k\]: Common.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: not r11
CSamurai [5k\]: This is common.
])
(;W[oi]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i'd cut too
]
;B[qi]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Now what?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: p9
]
;W[ok]
;B[nj]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: q9
CSamurai [5k\]: Now what?
]
;W[pk]
;B[nk]
;W[pl]
;B[pm]
;W[qm]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea black should seal
]
;B[om]
;W[rl]
;B[rj]
;W[qk]
;B[rk]
;W[ql]
;B[oh]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Now what?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: doesn't work
CSamurai [5k\]: Yeah.
CSamurai [5k\]:
CSamurai [5k\]: Black gets strength and influence everywhere.
CSamurai [5k\]: Thrilled to be here.
]
;W[nl]
;B[nm]
;W[ml]
;B[mm]C[CSamurai [5k\]: Can continue ugly fights, throw good stones after bad.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: ok, i g2g
CSamurai [5k\]: Won't get much better though.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: thanks csamurai :
Aphelion02 [6k\]: )
CSamurai [5k\]: No problem.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: padic, good luck next round!
padic [5k\]: thanks
Aphelion02 [6k\]: thanks for the games
])))))
(;B[fc]C[Shadonra [1d\]: funny, i'd also play f17
]
(;W[cf]
;B[kc]C[padic [5k\]: f17? approaching a 4-4 before the 3-4s?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea i like that
])
(;W[hc]
;B[nc]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i had no games
Aphelion02 [6k\]: within 30 points
])))[/sgf-full]

I lost game three of Redundant vs. Redstick. The record is 2-1


I completely lost track of the score, and overplayed severely to lose. Next game is Monday at 8:30 est.

First game, Karaklis (Black) vs SoDesuNe (White): W+9.5

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[SoDesuNe]PB[karaklis]WR[6k]BR[9k]DT[2010-05-29]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[SoDesuNe [6k\]: Gutes Spiel!
karaklis [9k?\]: viel spaß :-)
]RE[W+9.50]
;B[qd]BL[1787.515]C[SoDesuNe [6k\]: Dir auch!
]
;W[dp]WL[1796.412]
;B[pq]BL[1777.306]
;W[dd]WL[1793.66]
;B[oc]BL[1773.529]
;W[po]WL[1728.019]
;B[qm]BL[1741.507]
;W[on]WL[1707.901]
;B[qo]BL[1715.253]
;W[qp]WL[1667.688]
;B[pp]BL[1696.589]
;W[qn]WL[1665.447]
;B[oo]BL[1688.998]
;W[ro]WL[1655.324]
;B[pj]BL[1675.328]C[SoDesuNe [6k\]: tut mir leid
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Batterie hat gesponnen
karaklis [9k?\]: kein problem
Loons [4k\]: Hmm
]
;W[no]WL[1514.822]
;B[mq]BL[1644.123]C[Loons [4k\]: Good game, many something, you also, tut mir leid-> something bad has happened? Batterie has done something, but it's no problem
catsoldier [6k\]: Interesting translation, loons
catsoldier [6k\]: ^^
Loons [4k\]: I took german in my first year of highschool!
Loons [4k\]: Half of it, anyway
]
;W[op]WL[1416.31]
;B[oq]BL[1637.819]C[catsoldier [6k\]: ^^
Loons [4k\]: Does tut mir leid mean "hurt my song"
Loons [4k\]: It bemuses me
catsoldier [6k\]: lol
]
;W[np]WL[1349.811]C[catsoldier [6k\]: you're mixing up "leid" with "lied" : )
Loons [4k\]: ahh
catsoldier [6k\]: tut mir leid means I'm sorry
]
;B[cn]BL[1606.198]
;W[fq]WL[1326.749]C[Loons [4k\]: Oh, "It does me sorrow"
catsoldier [6k\]: yeah, sorta
]
;B[dj]BL[1591.811]C[Loons [4k\]: Alright I'm kinda on board here
]
;W[kq]WL[1291.821]C[catsoldier [6k\]: and batterie hat gesponnen means literally the battery was spinning = going nuts
catsoldier [6k\]: Is this a Kukinashi game?
Loons [4k\]: The name would suggest so
]
;B[nq]BL[1557.859]C[Loons [4k\]: huh, which is now not visible
Loons [4k\]: O3 was m a mistake for black to tenuki, incidentally
Loons [4k\]: Consider had white played there, black dies one side at least
]
;W[lp]WL[1235.938]
;B[qq]BL[1545.928]C[catsoldier [6k\]: dying, my specialty : )
catsoldier [6k\]: especially in the corner
Loons [4k\]: I could challenge you for that crown
catsoldier [6k\]: Interesting to see these two play
]
;W[cg]WL[1120.678]C[Loons [4k\]: White needs a move that fixes the top left situation
Loons [4k\]: Huh, beaten there
catsoldier [6k\]: last year karaklis studies thousands of tsumegos, and this year sodesune is planning to do the same
]
;B[fc]BL[1529.834]C[catsoldier [6k\]: d17
Loons [4k\]: Hm, I must try that too
catsoldier [6k\]: the tsumegos? Karaklis complained of burnout because of it
Loons [4k\]: Doesn't the cut at N4 need to be fixed ?
catsoldier [6k\]: that's a good question
]
;W[ic]WL[1007.182]
;B[db]BL[1518.737]C[catsoldier [6k\]: w would have little trouble living if he got cut there, but his influence would be shot
]
;W[cc]WL[991.573]
;B[fe]BL[1512.012]
;W[lc]WL[988.785]
;B[bp]BL[1496.7]
;W[en]WL[946.01]C[catsoldier [6k\]: now the cut
]
;B[kd]BL[1480.291]
;W[kc]WL[891.946]C[catsoldier [6k\]: this plans for big influence towards the right for black, no?
]
;B[me]BL[1457.09]C[Loons [4k\]: Yes, but tbh I would play the normal move at J16
catsoldier [6k\]: yep
Loons [4k\]: Because that fixes F15 stones, who are currently sad
]
;W[qk]WL[711.538]
;B[pk]BL[1432.218]
;W[ql]WL[709.2]
;B[pl]BL[1428.035]C[Loons [4k\]: Overplay
]
;W[rm]WL[685.581]
;B[qj]BL[1422.271]C[catsoldier [6k\]: s7 premature? w could have pushed first
Loons [4k\]: Yes, I think so
Loons [4k\]: S7 and Q7 were miai I was thinking
]
;W[jd]WL[601.541]
;B[lk]BL[1400.821]
;W[ke]WL[561.346]
;B[cb]BL[1386.929]
;W[bb]WL[529.893]
;B[cq]BL[1382.923]C[catsoldier [6k\]: k16 too defensive. Looks to me like a candidate for the losing move
]
;W[bj]WL[382.717]
;B[in]BL[1350.676]
;W[ip]WL[261.653]
;B[lr]BL[1344.588]
;W[kr]WL[226.691]
;B[er]BL[1329.512]
;W[fr]WL[220.373]
;B[hb]BL[1322.94]
;W[il]WL[201.479]
;B[km]BL[1287.154]
;W[jm]WL[195.807]
;B[jn]BL[1278.249]
;W[kn]WL[194.768]
;B[jl]BL[1272.105]
;W[im]WL[191.888]
;B[lm]BL[1244.017]
;W[rq]WL[52.944]
;B[rr]BL[1237.551]
;W[rj]WL[40.921]
;B[ri]BL[1231.532]
;W[rk]WL[39.42]
;B[qh]BL[1213.315]
;W[nb]WL[33.793]
;B[ob]BL[1207.116]
;W[md]WL[16.669]
;B[nd]BL[1196.246]
;W[nc]WL[4.865]
;B[oe]BL[1174.753]
;W[el]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[fj]BL[1141.471]C[lemming [-\]: whatcha talking about?
Loons [4k\]: What rank is Karaklis accurately ?
catsoldier [6k\]: just kibbitzing about the game
Loons [4k\]: I was translating some german before
Loons [4k\]: Not very well!
lemming [-\]: karaklis is not 9k
lemming [-\]: more like 10-11
]
;W[lh]WL[60]OW[4]C[Loons [4k\]: He seems to be doing rather well ?
catsoldier [6k\]: II doubt that Karaklis has gotten weaker than 7k, but he seems to think so
lemming [-\]: I agree with him :)
]
;B[lf]BL[1084.25]C[catsoldier [6k\]: which moves are 9k mistakes, lemming?
]
;W[kg]WL[60]OW[4]C[lemming [-\]: so many
]
;B[ik]BL[1072.179]C[Loons [4k\]: I make a lot of 9k mistakes, god knows how I'm 4k
lemming [-\]: r5 is the first
Loons [4k\]: Should be R10?
]
;W[gl]WL[60]OW[3]C[lemming [-\]: p5 the next, q10 also
catsoldier [6k\]: I would have played r5 too : )
]
;B[kf]BL[1055.213]
;W[ij]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[hl]BL[1043.106]
;W[hm]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[hk]BL[1040.536]C[lemming [-\]: l16, n15
lemming [-\]: p9
]
;W[gk]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[gm]BL[1025.783]C[lemming [-\]: white made more mistakes though, so it's evening out
]
;W[hn]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[gn]BL[1022.45]
;W[ho]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[hj]BL[1018.691]C[catsoldier [6k\]: what is the problem with l16?
]
;W[gj]WL[60]OW[3]C[lemming [-\]: wrong spot
]
;B[hi]BL[1009.171]C[Loons [4k\]: What is wrong with that move -> it is in the wrong place
catsoldier [6k\]: lol
]
;W[gi]WL[60]OW[3]C[catsoldier [6k\]: should be elsewhere
]
;B[hh]BL[972.254]C[catsoldier [6k\]: if b gets k14, goodnight
]
;W[eh]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[cl]BL[936.828]
;W[ck]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[dl]BL[927.535]
;W[dk]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[em]BL[871.966]
;W[fm]WL[60]OW[3]
;B[dm]BL[869.259]
;W[fl]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[jf]BL[846.298]
;W[oa]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[pa]BL[843.051]
;W[na]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[pb]BL[838.349]
;W[ib]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ia]BL[833.222]
;W[ja]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ha]BL[831.544]
;W[kb]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[bd]BL[817.415]
;W[bc]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[de]BL[814.748]
;W[ce]WL[60]OW[2]C[lemming [-\]: b16 is another 10k mistake
]
;B[df]BL[803.201]
;W[cf]WL[60]OW[2]C[catsoldier [6k\]: nah. 7k mistake ^^
lemming [-\]: actually worse than 10k :)
]
;B[ln]BL[768.409]C[catsoldier [6k\]: I think you've forgotten how weak 10k really is : )
]
;W[ko]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ks]BL[764.004]
;W[js]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ls]BL[761.735]
;W[jr]WL[60]OW[2]C[lemming [-\]: maybe
]
;B[eq]BL[753.875]
;W[ep]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[fs]BL[750.088]C[catsoldier [6k\]: b16 wants a bit of aji to help him reduce
]
;W[gs]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[dq]BL[722.501]C[lemming [-\]: I know what it wants, but it does not reduce
lemming [-\]: it helps
]
;W[nl]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[nk]BL[718.323]
;W[ml]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ll]BL[711.449]
;W[mk]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[mj]BL[706.584]
;W[sr]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[qs]BL[692.687]
;W[bl]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[bm]BL[683.904]
;W[am]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[an]BL[676.328]C[lemming [-\]: mistake
]
;W[dn]WL[60]OW[2]C[lemming [-\]: again, 10k
lemming [-\]: :)
]
;B[cm]BL[633.778]C[lemming [-\]: noooeees xD
Loons [4k\]: ahh
]
;W[co]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[al]BL[631.753]
;W[bo]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[bk]BL[625.393]
;W[cj]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ao]BL[617.943]
;W[aj]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ak]BL[592.343]
;W[cp]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[bq]BL[586.702]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[ds]BL[583.498]C[Loons [4k\]: I want to see b O7
]
;W[hc]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[gb]BL[572.525]
;W[gc]WL[60]OW[2]
;B[fa]BL[568.018]C[lemming [-\]: w threw away victory here I think
lemming [-\]: could've killed the corner
lemming [-\]: under the right circumstances
]
;W[lq]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[mr]BL[560.522]
;W[ec]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[eb]BL[528.348]
;W[fd]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fb]BL[510.057]
;W[gf]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[gh]BL[477.296]
;W[ff]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fi]BL[467.178]
;W[fh]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fn]BL[454.412]C[lemming [-\]: now b is just gone
]
;W[ek]WL[60]OW[1]C[lemming [-\]: what
lemming [-\]: söfkaj
]
;B[dc]BL[429.505]C[lemming [-\]: sometimes I don't get the way they play :)
]
;W[ed]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[bn]BL[381.072]
;W[fo]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[hf]BL[365.304]
;W[ok]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[nj]BL[360.012]
;W[ol]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[je]BL[353.21]
;W[ld]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[he]BL[286.642]C[Loons [4k\]: I somehow was sure that B was winning
]
;W[oj]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[oi]BL[283.488]
;W[ge]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[nm]BL[254.597]
;W[om]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[lj]BL[218.014]
;W[pm]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fs]BL[195.705]
;W[pr]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[or]BL[189.695]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[mb]BL[185.196]
;W[mc]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fs]BL[182.785]
;W[pi]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[qi]BL[179.416]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[eo]BL[172.176]
;W[go]WL[60]OW[1]C[Loons [4k\]: hang on there are real points left
]
;B[ph]BL[163.758]
;W[si]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[sh]BL[160.152]
;W[sj]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fs]BL[146.885]
;W[rh]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[rg]BL[143.4]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fn]BL[140.756]
;W[gn]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fs]BL[137.096]
;W[sg]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[sf]BL[134.517]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fp]BL[132.354]
;W[gp]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fs]BL[130.408]
;W[ca]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[da]BL[126.464]
;W[es]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[ka]BL[119.447]
;W[jb]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[fs]BL[117.32]
;W[gr]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[es]BL[112.809]
;W[mm]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[mo]BL[107.442]C[lemming [-\]: g2 vor what purpose?
lemming [-\]: *for
]
;W[mp]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[mn]BL[102.47]
;W[nn]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[gg]BL[84.482]
;W[fg]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[ba]BL[67.015]
;W[ab]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[hd]BL[34.72]
;W[gd]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[le]BL[30.194]
;W[kd]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[id]BL[15.334]C[SoDesuNe [6k\]: gutes Endspiel von dir ^^
karaklis [9k?\]: hmm, endspiel kann ich eigentlich gar nicht...
karaklis [9k?\]: ^__^
lemming [-\]: agreed
lemming [-\]: war schlechtes endspiel
]
;W[lo]WL[60]OW[1]C[lemming [-\]: im endspiel hat ers spiel verloren
SoDesuNe [6k\]: besser als ich auf jeden Fall =D
]
;B[rs]BL[60]OB[5]C[lemming [-\]: herst du hast d15 im endspiel gfangen :)
]
;W[]WL[60]OW[1]
;B[ca]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[cd]WL[60]OW[1]C[karaklis [9k?\]: ein pünktchen nehm ich noch mit
SoDesuNe [6k\]: ^^
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Ich glaube, du stehst eh ~20 vorne ^^
]
;B[]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[]WL[60]OW[1]TW[ka][la][ma][lb][mb][ac][jc][ad][bd][ae][be][de][ee][fe][af][bf][df][ef][ag][bg][dg][eg][ah][bh][ch][dh][ai][bi][ci][di][ei][fi][dj][ej][fj][fk][sk][rl][sl][gm][nm][qm][sm][fn][in][jn][pn][rn][sn][do][eo][io][jo][oo][qo][so][fp][hp][jp][kp][rp][sp][gq][hq][iq][jq][hr][ir][hs][is]TB[ea][ga][qa][ra][sa][qb][rb][sb][pc][qc][rc][sc][od][pd][rd][sd][ie][ne][pe][qe][re][se][if][mf][nf][of][pf][qf][rf][hg][ig][jg][kg][lg][mg][ng][og][pg][qg][sg][ih][jh][kh][lh][mh][nh][oh][rh][ii][ji][ki][li][mi][ni][pi][ij][jj][kj][jk][kk][bl][kl][am][ap][aq][ar][br][cr][dr][nr][pr][qr][as][bs][cs][ms][ns][os][ps]C[SoDesuNe [6k\]: oh
SoDesuNe [6k\]: ^^
karaklis [10k?\]: danke fürs spiel
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Dir auch
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Habe ich mich ja krass verschätzt
karaklis [10k?\]: wie das?
SoDesuNe [6k\]: kA, dachte das dein Eck-Zentrum da so groß ist, wie alle meine Gruppen bis auf die linke Seite
karaklis [10k?\]: lol
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Ja ^^
karaklis [10k?\]: wann spielen wir nächstes mal?
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Hm, wir können heute nochmal, wenn du magst
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Sonst wird es bis Montag evtl
karaklis [10k?\]: heute abend?
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Dann erst wieder Freitag
karaklis [10k?\]: 19:00?
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Geht 18:30?
karaklis [10k?\]: geht auch
karaklis [10k?\]: wenn nicht, melde ich mich
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Wäre besser für mich
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Alles klar. danke dir für's Spiel und bis heute Abend dann!
karaklis [10k?\]: ok sagen wir 18:30 dann
karaklis [10k?\]: bis dann
SoDesuNe [6k\]: baba
])[/sgf-full]

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My "guide" to become stronger in Go

I won my last game with Nikolas although it was close. Game record is below. We're tied 2-2, and tiebreaker is sunday at 3pm est!

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"There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level." -- Bruce Lee

I won the fifth game between Jedo and myself, winning the series 3-2. Thanks Jedo, it was fun!

Here is our game. Thanks to ExplO 2d for reviewing. The SGF is a little confusing as Aphelion02 and I reviewed it before ExplO joined, but you can still see all the comments.

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[Jedo]PB[Nikolas73]WR[4k]BR[5k]DT[2010-05-30]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: Have fun
Jedo [4k\]: have a godo game
Nikolas73 [5k\]: Thanks for coming, you have control
ExplO [2d\]: thanks
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[qd]BL[1791.642]
;W[dd]WL[1791.977]
;B[pq]BL[1787.447]
;W[dq]WL[1785.155]C[ExplO [2d\]: if you enclose here
]
(;B[qo]BL[1771.413]
(;W[oc]WL[1762.58]
;B[od]BL[1752.204]C[ExplO [2d\]: its not really a joseki
ExplO [2d\]: it is, one line higher
]
;W[nd]WL[1756.778]
;B[oe]BL[1748.615]
;W[pc]WL[1750.862]
;B[qc]BL[1745.681]
;W[lc]WL[1741.642]
(;B[qf]BL[1738.055]
;W[jp]WL[1731.426]TR[cn][dn]C[ExplO [2d\]: because of the stone at k4, it's more common to approach further
ExplO [2d\]: as in the kobayashi opening
]
;B[do]BL[1729.698]
;W[dl]WL[1720.328]
(;B[cq]BL[1648.571]
;W[cr]WL[1705.397]
;B[cp]BL[1622.709]
(;W[eq]WL[1689.922]C[ExplO [2d\]: e3 is very weird
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I thought, maybe Black should play F5 here
Nikolas73 [5k\]: but I figured then Black would be too easy to attack
Nikolas73 [5k\]: ah
]
(;B[cm]BL[1582.864]
;W[cl]WL[1684.436]
;B[bm]BL[1579.119]
;W[bl]WL[1661.228]
(;B[lq]BL[1561.695]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: go to f16
]
;W[br]WL[1650.696]
;B[bq]BL[1553.545]
;W[kq]WL[1640.482]C[ExplO [2d\]: l3 is not good shape
ExplO [2d\]: it help black more than white
]
(;B[lr]BL[1519.477]
;W[ao]WL[1611.532]C[ExplO [2d\]: this is hard to understand
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I thought A5 should have been at B5, perhaps
Nikolas73 [5k\]: but Black still has the option of running out...
ExplO [2d\]: I think both are bad
ExplO [2d\]: yes
Nikolas73 [5k\]: maybe White should try something like F5 first?
ExplO [2d\]: it's better to enclose black
ExplO [2d\]: and force him to live
ExplO [2d\]: yes
Nikolas73 [5k\]: right
]
;B[bo]BL[1494.186]
;W[aq]WL[1573.516]
;B[ap]BL[1473.699]
;W[dh]WL[1541.681]
;B[pk]BL[1421.223]
;W[pr]WL[1536.746]
(;B[qr]BL[1412.856]
;W[oq]WL[1518.633]
;B[pp]BL[1389.214]
;W[lp]WL[1511.755]
;B[mp]BL[1383.306]
;W[mo]WL[1496.947]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: wow i really don't like black's fuseki
]
;B[np]BL[1372.727]
;W[no]WL[1485.159]
(;B[oo]BL[1357.098]
(;W[kr]WL[1479.136]
;B[lo]BL[1325.115]
;W[kp]WL[1472.191]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: I played P5 to cut at m5, but maybe it was too early for that
Aphelion02 [6k\]: we looked at it later, seems impossible for white to stop an invasion around g3?
]
;B[mn]BL[1317.738]
;W[ok]WL[1422.215]C[ExplO [2d\]: yes, it's difficult
]
(;B[ol]BL[1306.417]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: p8
]
(;W[oj]WL[1406.372]
;B[pj]BL[1301.275]
;W[nl]WL[1402.549]
;B[om]BL[1295.342]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yuck
]
;W[nm]WL[1393.991]
;B[nn]BL[1293.717]
;W[oi]WL[1388.421]
;B[ph]BL[1279.013]
;W[ne]WL[1376.835]
(;B[mk]BL[1252.385]
;W[of]WL[1368.118]
(;B[pf]BL[1245.233]
;W[ng]WL[1344.445]
;B[mh]BL[1219.193]C[ExplO [2d\]: this seem to help white fix his problems
]
;W[nh]WL[1329.452]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: wel yea i think the 3-3 invasion was negative for you
Aphelion02 [6k\]: here
Aphelion02 [6k\]: mm
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I thought maybe Black should ignore P14
]
(;B[fd]BL[1170.15]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: seems to me this move says you want the side?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: hmm, I wanted to limit White's influence. If anything I wanted the centre
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea,
Aphelion02 [6k\]: so i was confused by c17
]
;W[cf]WL[1300.177]
(;B[cc]BL[1162.056]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: yeah, it felt like a mistake afterwards
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i think if you d17, its great for you
ExplO [2d\]: not consistent
Nikolas73 [5k\]: also a mistake here, almost cost me the game
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
]
;W[dc]WL[1292.29]
;B[cd]BL[1160.864]C[Nakamura [7k\]: I don't know about this. o.o
Aphelion02 [6k\]: that was so bad
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i don't know whats wrong with just attaching at d17
Aphelion02 [6k\]: the outside is the big part
Nakamura [7k\]: I would've jumped to J17 instead after F16
Nakamura [7k\]: But that's just me. That area is huge.
]
;W[cb]WL[1236.522]
;B[bb]BL[1157.487]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: j17 is bad shape
]
;W[db]WL[1230.104]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: gotta attach first
]
;B[ce]BL[1129.167]
;W[de]WL[1227.086]
;B[bf]BL[1127.847]
;W[be]WL[1208.679]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: d13 first?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: *c13
]
;B[bd]BL[1085.153]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: but nice win
]
;W[bg]WL[1173.163]
;B[ae]BL[1082.58]
(;W[ef]WL[1165.398]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: huh
Nikolas73 [5k\]: Thanks. I think Black still has a good chance here, but I almost messed up that F16 stone
Aphelion02 [6k\]: tough now
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
]
(;B[gf]BL[953.31]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: h16
Aphelion02 [6k\]: this is bad shape maybe?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I wasn't too sure about thsi either
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
Aphelion02 [6k\]: if white plays h17
Aphelion02 [6k\]: sorry
Aphelion02 [6k\]: h16 is shape move for white?
]
(;W[gh]WL[1106.539]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: h12
]
(;B[ic]BL[940.925]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: ahh now j17 is nice
Aphelion02 [6k\]: it hgouth this was nice
Aphelion02 [6k\]: *thought
Aphelion02 [6k\]: if he j15
Aphelion02 [6k\]: attaching somewhere feels okay?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: J17 probably could have been better
Aphelion02 [6k\]: then play something around j16
]
;W[ie]WL[1059.018]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: j14?
]
(;B[gc]BL[887.522]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: haha
Aphelion02 [6k\]: maybe attach on g12 first
]
;W[hd]WL[1036.504]
;B[kb]BL[873.073]
;W[lb]WL[1007.792]
;B[jc]BL[864.16]
(;W[hb]WL[985.328]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: I completely missed White H18
ExplO [2d\]: it doesn't look so good
]
;B[hc]BL[839.981]
;W[ga]WL[939.342]C[ExplO [2d\]: now white is gote to connet his stone
ExplO [2d\]: and clakc can still make a gote eye on the edge
Aphelion02 [6k\]: can't white threaten to play j18 first
Aphelion02 [6k\]: before connectin
Aphelion02 [6k\]: after black f18
]
(;B[fb]BL[825.221]C[ExplO [2d\]: it's better to skip it maybe
Nikolas73 [5k\]: H18 instead of G18?
ExplO [2d\]: it's the move played in the game
]
(;W[fa]WL[921.404]
;B[ib]BL[821.542]
;W[ea]WL[894.809]
;B[id]BL[736.645]
;W[hf]WL[864.486]
;B[gd]BL[729.35]
;W[he]WL[861.637]
;B[la]BL[708.111]
;W[ec]WL[750.424]
;B[ke]BL[584.118]
;W[kd]WL[688.89]
;B[je]BL[528.073]
;W[ig]WL[609.734]
;B[le]BL[384.911]
;W[mc]WL[562.925]
;B[mf]BL[369.238]
;W[nf]WL[499.164]
;B[jd]BL[360.05]
;W[lg]WL[434.922]
;B[mg]BL[352.901]
;W[lh]WL[407.191]
;B[mi]BL[326.995]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: n11 is sente
Aphelion02 [6k\]: white is squeezing toothpaste
Aphelion02 [6k\]: and then o17 might die
]
;W[lj]WL[386.104]
;B[mj]BL[319.603]
;W[ll]WL[374.975]
;B[ml]BL[308.813]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i wonder
]
;W[mm]WL[355.162]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: does o19 kill?
]
;B[lm]BL[296.293]
;W[nk]WL[346.521]
(;B[lk]BL[291.553]
;W[kl]WL[344.229]C[Nakamura [7k\]: Pretty close.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i think white is dead
]
;B[kk]BL[268.709]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: there' s justtoo many defects
Nakamura [7k\]: Yeah.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: majorly bad direction
Aphelion02 [6k\]: those peeps
Aphelion02 [6k\]: really didn't like white's peeps
]
;W[km]WL[295.19]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: go for broke!
]
;B[li]BL[259.87]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: those k19 is not an eye
]
;W[kj]WL[285.589]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: so black can't just live like this
Aphelion02 [6k\]: connect n6
]
;B[ki]BL[217.405]
;W[jj]WL[282.308]
;B[kg]BL[215.773]C[Nakamura [7k\]: He'd have to kill white to live, so he can't let him capture @M6.
Aphelion02 [6k\]: well
Aphelion02 [6k\]: he can do
Nakamura [7k\]: Or...O.o
Aphelion02 [6k\]: k19
Aphelion02 [6k\]: l19
Aphelion02 [6k\]: j19
Aphelion02 [6k\]: m6
]
;W[ma]WL[245.201]
;B[ka]BL[210.684]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: oh
Aphelion02 [6k\]: white let black live
Aphelion02 [6k\]: no its still ko
]
;W[jk]WL[210.439]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: m6 still is sente at least
Aphelion02 [6k\]: my bad no ko
Aphelion02 [6k\]: black alive
]
;B[nb]BL[129.676]C[Nakamura [7k\]: D=
Aphelion02 [6k\]: m6!!!
]
;W[ln]WL[188.219]
;B[go]BL[81.013]
;W[en]WL[172.35]
;B[eo]BL[76.008]
;W[fn]WL[167.532]
;B[fo]BL[61.05]
;W[hm]WL[162.913]
;B[gq]BL[58.114]
;W[fr]WL[147.038]
;B[gr]BL[42.915]
;W[ar]WL[142.149]
;B[an]BL[27.707]
;W[io]WL[118.561]
;B[es]BL[10.086]C[ExplO [2d\]: ?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: really bad reading ^^
]
;W[fs]WL[93.749]
(;B[ag]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[bh]WL[85.772]
;B[qb]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ls]WL[79.065]
;B[mr]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ms]WL[73.662]
;B[ns]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ks]WL[64.804]
;B[nr]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[pi]WL[27.826]
;B[qi]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[qh]WL[60]OW[5]
(;B[qg]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[rh]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[qj]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ah]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[af]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ba]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ab]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[jh]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[kh]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[pb]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[mb]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[kc]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ia]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[nc]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[dm]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[em]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ji]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[ii]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ff]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[qa]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ra]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[pa]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[rb]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[fg]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[gg]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[hh]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[kn]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[lm]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ko]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[jn]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[al]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[bk]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[pd]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[pg]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[og]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[oh]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[pg]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[pl]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ql]BL[60]OB[5]
;W[pm]WL[60]OW[5]
(;B[qm]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[on]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[pn]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[om]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ir]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ak]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[gs]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[fq]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[fp]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[rj]WL[60]OW[5]
(;B[ri]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[hp]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[gp]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[hq]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[hr]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[gn]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ho]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[hn]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[gb]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[dn]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[cn]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ha]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[eb]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[da]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[jg]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ob]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[na]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[js]WL[60]OW[5]
(;B[is]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[iq]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ih]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[mo]WL[60]OW[5]
(;B[no]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[jh]WL[60]OW[5]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: I see
]
;B[dp]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ds]WL[60]OW[5]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: here Black shoudl probably play H13 instead of O5
]
;B[ih]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[ad]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ac]BL[60]OB[4]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: looks like black got this
]
;W[jh]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[dr]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[er]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ih]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[si]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[qk]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[jh]WL[60]OW[5]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: k2
Nikolas73 [5k\]: at this point I figured Black didn't have many ko threats left
Nikolas73 [5k\]: maybe I was wrong ^^
]
(;B[hg]BL[60]OB[4]C[ExplO [2d\]: h13 makes no point at all
ExplO [2d\]: even if you don't have threats, it's better to play a move worth something
Nikolas73 [5k\]: right
]
;W[ih]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ge]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[if]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[jf]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[am]WL[60]OW[5]
;B[ee]BL[60]OB[4]
;W[jr]WL[60]OW[5]C[ExplO [2d\]: ???
]
;B[eg]BL[60]OB[4]C[Jedo [4k\]: thanks
Nikolas73 [5k\]: Thanks
Jedo [4k\]: fun series
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
Nikolas73 [5k\]: really tough on me, I'm not sure how I'll do in round 2
Jedo [4k\]: best of luck
Nikolas73 [5k\]: but I'm glad I can play even with a 4k ^^ (only made 5k two or three weeks ago)
Jedo [4k\]: lol
Nikolas73 [5k\]: want to review this?
Jedo [4k\]: should we give it to a dan player?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: could ask if one is available, yes
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I don't see anyone I know online, should we go to KGS teaching ladder room?
Jedo [4k\]: im actually nto sure if i have time now, but if you get it reviewed make sure to save it
Aphelion02 [6k\]: nikolas, why did you jump into top left
Aphelion02 [6k\]: instead of just attaching?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: ok, maybe I'll put it up in the game analysis room on L19
Jedo [4k\]: k
Nikolas73 [5k\]: err, where Aphelion?
Jedo [4k\]: thanks again
Aphelion02 [6k\]: beginning
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yeah, I was a little surprised
Nikolas73 [5k\]: White resigned here
ExplO [2d\]: maybe looking for aplce to resign
Nikolas73 [5k\]: could be
Nikolas73 [5k\]: well, thank you very much for the review
])
(;B[cg]C[ExplO [2d\]: cut here
])
(;B[eg]C[ExplO [2d\]: ir here
])
(;B[jr]C[ExplO [2d\]: or endgame here
]))
(;B[hg]
;W[jh]C[ExplO [2d\]: but it's still ko
Nikolas73 [5k\]: right
ExplO [2d\]: o5 is not small
]))
(;B[jq]C[ExplO [2d\]: you could play here in sente first
]))
(;B[gn]
;W[gm]
;B[dn]C[ExplO [2d\]: white is very far from gettings two eyes on the right side
ExplO [2d\]: 6 on the second line is dead
ExplO [2d\]: 7 depends on sente
ExplO [2d\]: 8 is alive
]
;W[ri]
;B[qk]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
ExplO [2d\]: white has three so far
ExplO [2d\]: so you can ignore several times
]))
(;B[on]
;W[qm]
;B[ri]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: ah
ExplO [2d\]: two liberties for white
]
;W[rl]
;B[qk]
;W[rk]
;B[rg]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: I figured I had a big enough lead, better safe than sorry, but yes.. I should have read that out more
]))
(;B[rh]C[ExplO [2d\]: I don't know if white can make something, but I prefer this atari
]))
(;B[cg]
;W[df]
;B[bh]C[ExplO [2d\]: why not here?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I think in the end it costs White a point or two though, but yeah, it's too slow
Nikolas73 [5k\]: right
]))
(;B[ma]C[ExplO [2d\]: white lives?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: hmm
ExplO [2d\]: I don't see how
]))
(;W[ib]
;B[fa]
;W[jb]
;B[kc]
;W[ka]
;B[ja]
;W[ia]
;B[gb]C[ExplO [2d\]: but gote
Nikolas73 [5k\]: ouch
ExplO [2d\]: and e17 may make an eye
Aphelion02 [6k\]: ahh
ExplO [2d\]: so not so good for white
]))
(;B[ib]
;W[fa]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: after j19
ExplO [2d\]: yes
ExplO [2d\]: it's what I say
]
;B[ia]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: it looks really hard for black to run though
Aphelion02 [6k\]: oh thats sente
ExplO [2d\]: if black make his eyes for sure
Nikolas73 [5k\]: ah
]
;W[ke]
;B[fb]C[ExplO [2d\]: playing here is very bad
]
;W[ea]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: wait
ExplO [2d\]: now you won't make that exchange
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i was saying h19
Aphelion02 [6k\]: for black
]))
(;W[fb]
;B[gb]
;W[ig]C[ExplO [2d\]: black doesn't have too eyes locally
]))
(;B[if]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: but then i was afraid of h15
]
;W[he]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: if he pushes you can hane
]
(;B[fb]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: actually connecting
]
;W[gc]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: might be okay
])
(;B[hf]
;W[ge]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: no space left
]
(;B[je])
(;B[fe]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: its tough
]
;W[je]
;B[ff]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea make him cut
]
;W[jh]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: mm
Aphelion02 [6k\]: not nice
]))))
(;B[gg]
;W[hh]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: h12 is lighter
Aphelion02 [6k\]: instead of g13
]
;B[if]
;W[id]
;B[jh])
(;B[hh]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: ah
]
;W[gg]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: if he cross cuts
]
;B[hg]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i'm sure you can sabaki
]
;W[hf]
;B[if]
;W[he]
;B[ie]
;W[ge]
;B[jg]
;W[id]
;B[jd]
;W[ic]
;B[hj]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
Nikolas73 [5k\]: something like that maybe, as least White doesn't get a huge center
Aphelion02 [6k\]: your side
Aphelion02 [6k\]: is so huge already
Aphelion02 [6k\]: ifyou make one life group
Aphelion02 [6k\]: you win
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
]))
(;W[ic]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: h16
])
(;W[hc])
(;W[id]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: h16 is shape move
Aphelion02 [6k\]: threatens cut
]
;B[jk]
;W[if]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: but yea aybe this does too
]
;B[gq]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: what if white just plays g4
]
(;W[fp]
;B[hp]
;W[jn]
;B[hn]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: I had something like this in mind, but I'm not sure if it would have worked
Aphelion02 [6k\]: could you go back to g3?
])
(;W[gp]
;B[hp]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: pull back
Nikolas73 [5k\]: hmm, hadn't really thought about that
Aphelion02 [6k\]: mmm doesn't seem to work
]
;W[hq]
;B[iq]
;W[ip]
;B[hr]
;W[ho]
;B[fp]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: interesting
Nikolas73 [5k\]: Well, I will put it on L19 to get some opinions
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but maybe you should play this directly instead
Nikolas73 [5k\]: you mean earlier?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
Aphelion02 [6k\]: before g14
]))
(;W[hd]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: Black started going a little downhill from here
ExplO [2d\]: yes, around here
ExplO [2d\]: to press black against the wall
]
;B[ge]
;W[if]
;B[gh]
;W[ih]
;B[gj]C[ExplO [2d\]: black is very heavy
]))
(;B[ik]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: l1the problem is not sure where to run
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
]
;W[hp]
;B[ih]
;W[hf]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i was thinking
Aphelion02 [6k\]: f14 or l16
])
(;B[kd]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: if white plays k18
]
;W[jb]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: maybe you ca jump out?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: or just j16
]
(;B[lf]
;W[hf]
;B[hd]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: something like that maybe?
Aphelion02 [6k\]: no, no eye shape
])
(;B[gf]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: loosk okay
])
(;B[id]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: yeah
]
(;W[rm])
(;W[hf]
;B[jf]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: just worried about k15 here
])
(;W[je]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: j14
]
;B[if]
;W[ie]
;B[he]
;W[jd]
;B[jf]
;W[ke]
;B[gf]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea maybe
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i like these situations
Aphelion02 [6k\]: where you have to make shape
Nikolas73 [5k\]: maybe you can tell that I don't :p
])))
(;B[ic]C[ExplO [2d\]: easier here, to make a base
]))
(;W[df]C[ExplO [2d\]: I don't why white doesn't connect here
ExplO [2d\]: now black cannot ut at c13
ExplO [2d\]: cut*
]))
(;B[dc]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: c17, e17, c18
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I don't think I have ever played this move, I should probably learn it
]
;W[cc]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: its standard
]
;B[ec]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: with high approach
]
;W[cb]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: then j17 or so
]
;B[ic]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: ah
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes, something like this is what I envisioned, I just wasn't quite sure how to get there
Aphelion02 [6k\]: then white nearly killed himself
Aphelion02 [6k\]: the o17 group
Nikolas73 [5k\]: and it ended up almost costing me the game
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea
ExplO [2d\]: f16 may not be the best decision, but at least it makes sense
]))
(;B[gq]
;W[fp]
;B[hp]
;W[jn]
;B[hn]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: if anything i think you can play g17
Aphelion02 [6k\]: to settle really safely
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
])
(;B[gc]
(;W[ge]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: d17
]
;B[dc]
;W[ed]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: or just k17 to settle too
Aphelion02 [6k\]: white can't do much to tha tstone
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I was a little worried about White's influence, but I think Black just needs to take enough side territory to keep a win
Aphelion02 [6k\]: i think n12
Aphelion02 [6k\]: was negative
Aphelion02 [6k\]: for you
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes, possibly
Aphelion02 [6k\]: but now that you played it
Aphelion02 [6k\]: n11 seems good
Aphelion02 [6k\]: since its sente to connect
Aphelion02 [6k\]: with o9
Aphelion02 [6k\]: then you can make some kind of shape
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I thought if I did go after L4, N12 may help
]
;B[nk]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: ahh
]
;W[mi]
;B[jk]
;W[hp]
;B[jn]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: and if White protects Black could get some more territory
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea you got introuble after that 3-3 invasion
Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
])
(;W[ec]
;B[jc]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes, something simple like this is probably best
Aphelion02 [6k\]: well good luck!
Nikolas73 [5k\]: White'White still has a weak point around C14
Aphelion02 [6k\]: your playing winner of redudnant
Aphelion02 [6k\]: redundant and redstick right?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I really have no idea, I haven't been following the other games much ^^
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea its redundant and redstick
Nikolas73 [5k\]: ok
Aphelion02 [6k\]: yea good luck
Aphelion02 [6k\]: hope we meet in finals ^^
Nikolas73 [5k\]: Thanks. Yes, see you there
Aphelion02 [6k\]: ok i g2g sleep
Aphelion02 [6k\]: gnite
Nikolas73 [5k\]: bye
Aphelion02 [6k\]: btw
Aphelion02 [6k\]: explo is online
Aphelion02 [6k\]: he reviewed my game last time
Aphelion02 [6k\]: you might ask him
Nikolas73 [5k\]: ok, I'll do that
Nikolas73 [5k\]: thanks
Aphelion02 [6k\]: if he does i might stay
Aphelion02 [6k\]: to watch
Aphelion02 [6k\]: at least part of it
Nikolas73 [5k\]: ok, 1 minute
ExplO [2d\]: hello
Nikolas73 [5k\]: Hello
]))
(;B[fc]C[Aphelion02 [6k\]: i like g17
Aphelion02 [6k\]: so he can't pincer
ExplO [2d\]: why not here?
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I wanted to block his wall and build up the right for g3 invasion, but I see what you mean
Nikolas73 [5k\]: Good question, Aphelion and I decided it was probably a mistake
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I was worried about White's influence
ExplO [2d\]: f16 is uusually to build your own moyo
]))
(;B[oh]C[Nikolas73 [5k\]: yes
ExplO [2d\]: yes, I think so too
]))
(;B[nf]C[ExplO [2d\]: hane here seem possible too
ExplO [2d\]: and probably best
]))
(;W[pj]C[ExplO [2d\]: I think white can try harder
])
(;W[nl]))
(;B[nn]C[ExplO [2d\]: maybe best
ExplO [2d\]: at least it's easier
ExplO [2d\]: because white gets less forcing moves
]))
(;W[on]C[ExplO [2d\]: p6 becomes sente in the game
])
(;W[lo]C[ExplO [2d\]: I think white should defend
]))
(;B[op]C[ExplO [2d\]: simply here
]
;W[kr]
;B[lo]C[ExplO [2d\]: you could also cut if white bloks
ExplO [2d\]: you cannot capture directly after, but it's hard for white to move the stones
Nikolas73 [5k\]: ah, I see... when White connects Black can do something like M6
]
;W[kp]
;B[ln]TR[nm][hp]C[ExplO [2d\]: yes
ExplO [2d\]: white is busy
]))
(;B[qq]C[ExplO [2d\]: not easy for white to live
]))
(;B[lp]C[ExplO [2d\]: black can simply defend here
ExplO [2d\]: now it's harder to invade at o3
Nikolas73 [5k\]: hmm, not sure why I didn't play that now...
ExplO [2d\]: and white can still be invaded around g3
]))
(;B[br]C[ExplO [2d\]: I would still play here
ExplO [2d\]: it's big for both
]))
(;B[br]C[ExplO [2d\]: black should play here
ExplO [2d\]: e3 fails
]))
(;W[er]C[ExplO [2d\]: if white plays here, it's helps him close the gap with k4
ExplO [2d\]: and black has no room for an extension
ExplO [2d\]: white plays here to make b2 gote for black
]))
(;B[gp]C[ExplO [2d\]: more common
ExplO [2d\]: c3 is not good locally
]))
(;B[do]C[ExplO [2d\]: white cannot cut, so maybe it's a good time to play elsewhere
]))
(;W[od]TR[qd][qo]C[ExplO [2d\]: in the game, if white approches, it works well with d16
ExplO [2d\]: and for black, the right side becomes low
Nikolas73 [5k\]: I see
]))
(;B[oc]C[ExplO [2d\]: then it's common to do it in this corner
ExplO [2d\]: now if white approaches the other corner
]
;W[po]
;B[pl]C[ExplO [2d\]: you can pincer and develop the right side
Nikolas73 [5k\]: right, I thought about that after move 5.... I've only played this fuseki a few times.
ExplO [2d\]: the pincer works well with the shimari
]))[/sgf-full]

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Redundant vs. Redstick ended 3-1. Here's the final game.


My second round series against Nikolas73 begins 8pm EST on Friday. (I think).

Redundant vs. Nikolas73 has been moved forward to tomorrow at 7pm EST.

Attached the game that I had with SoDesuNe.
We're 1:1 now.
The tiebreaker will probably be on Sunday 10:00 CET-dst (8:00 GMT)

I believe, it was Saturday and 10am GMT+1 but nevertheless, I can't play on Saturday, so what about Sunday at 10am GMT+1? (I'm sure, you wanted to express the same time anyway ^^)


post scriptum: I'm going to post this game this way, again. It's much easier to see my defeat =D

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
PW[karaklis]PB[SoDesuNe]WR[10k]BR[6k]DT[2010-06-03]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[SoDesuNe [6k\]: Gutes Spiel!
karaklis [10k?\]: viels spaß
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[qd]BL[1793.797]
;W[dp]WL[1797.038]
;B[pp]BL[1792.479]
;W[dd]WL[1794.17]
;B[oc]BL[1791.514]
;W[pj]WL[1791.123]
;B[ph]BL[1770.445]
;W[pm]WL[1786.181]
;B[np]BL[1725.387]
;W[dj]WL[1778.206]
;B[fc]BL[1704.936]
;W[df]WL[1773.489]
;B[jd]BL[1661.059]
;W[lq]WL[1767.543]
;B[lo]BL[1599.506]
;W[ip]WL[1691.392]
;B[cq]BL[1579.22]
;W[cp]WL[1672.02]
;B[dq]BL[1578.237]
;W[eq]WL[1669.93]
;B[er]BL[1577.127]
;W[fq]WL[1659.119]
;B[bp]BL[1515.982]
;W[bo]WL[1638.688]
;B[bq]BL[1514.629]
;W[cn]WL[1628.102]
;B[fr]BL[1513.141]
;W[gq]WL[1621.575]
;B[ro]BL[1427.712]
;W[eb]WL[1598.682]
;B[ol]BL[1399.305]
;W[pl]WL[1588.267]
;B[oj]BL[1383.287]
;W[qi]WL[1580.661]
;B[qh]BL[1379.059]
;W[om]WL[1570.318]
;B[ok]BL[1362.551]
;W[mm]WL[1555.825]
;B[nm]BL[1354.235]
;W[nn]WL[1552.339]
;B[nl]BL[1352.71]
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SoDesuNe [6k\]: Danke dir!
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Da hätte ich wohl viel früher mal eine Basis machen sollen : /
karaklis [7k\]: ja basis schadet nie ;-)
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Und der Keima war wohl auch eher nicht gelesen ^^
karaklis [7k\]: da waren zu viele weiße steine drum rum
karaklis [7k\]: sonst hätte das klappen können
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Jup
goatsunday [8k\]: ja, war die c3 invasion fraglich?
karaklis [7k\]: was ist denn, wenn schwarz auf e4 schneidet?
SoDesuNe [6k\]: S hat weniger Freihieten als W
SoDesuNe [6k\]: Von daher, endet das schon tragisch ^^
karaklis [7k\]: aber selbst wenn die schwarze gruppe tot ist, ist das ergebnis denkbar knapp
karaklis [7k\]: ich denk, du hast zu früh aufgegeben
])[/sgf-full]

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My "guide" to become stronger in Go

Sunday 10:00 CET-dst is fine for me.

NB: The time difference between CET-dst and GMT is two hours...

I won the first round 2 game between Redundant and myself, the series is now 1-0. I'm not sure when our next game is, perhaps on the weekend. I will send you a message, Redundant.

Here is the SGF:

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I heard that GMT and UTC are the same and because I have UTC+1 in the forum, I figured GMT+1 must be my timezone. But well, I don't actually have a clue ^^

Let's play on Sunday, 10am, we're in the same timezone anyway =D

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My "guide" to become stronger in Go

As far as I know the daylight saving time (dst) adds one hour to the usual difference of one hour.

Game two of redundant vs. Nikolas73 will be 9pm eastern tomorrow.

Updates please!