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Offline drmwc
 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #21 Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:20 pm 
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Offline drmwc
 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #22 Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:31 pm 
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If I had played as I orginally planned:

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I don't like this -26 is on an ideal point. W has a lot of territory, and 26 neutralises a lot of my influence. I don't have many ways to vary from this diagram:

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[go]$$cm17
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$$ | . . . 6 3 . . . . 0 . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 5 . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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This is an alternative, but it alos feels slack for me.

Back to the game, my plan is:

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[go]$$cm21
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$$ | . . 1 . 3 5 7 . . O . . . . X . . . . |
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Whie's wall is not particualrly effective here. An alternative plan for W is:


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[go]$$cm21
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$$ | . . O . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 2 5 . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 1 6 3 4 . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . 9 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It looks like B can fight reasonably effectively here - the ladder is good for B, and I won't let W capture the cutting stone.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #23 Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:10 pm 
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this move seems lacking consistency.
i wouldnt have played that move..

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 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #24 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:05 am 
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What moves would you consider playing instead?

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Post #25 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:51 am 
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[go]$$cm21
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Post #26 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:51 pm 
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$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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Post #27 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:45 pm 
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[go]$$cm21
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$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . 6 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 4 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
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Post #28 Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:59 am 
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[go]$$cm27
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$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 1 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X 2 3 O . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #29 Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:28 am 
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$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't know if this is joseki, but my cut (D4) was a natural move, and the white stone on low side is in a good position.

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I don't know if this is joseki, but my cut (D4) was a natural move, and the white stone on low side is in a good position.
Seems highly unlikely that this could be joseki, with Black making the broken shape in White, in sente...
but let's double check and find out...
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Offline Uberdude
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Post #31 Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:36 am 
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EdLee wrote:
lovelove wrote:
I don't know if this is joseki, but my cut (D4) was a natural move, and the white stone on low side is in a good position.
Seems highly unlikely that this could be joseki, with Black making the broken shape in White, in sente...
but let's double check and find out...


I think Ed is too blindly applying his broken shape detector and it is far from clear this result is good for black; in fact probably I prefer white. Although it is true white has blighted his f3 stones, it is not dead yet, whereas black has completely killed his own 2 stones in the corner, making white totally alive with about 10 points of territory. Black's wall is not alive and could even be a weak group, and there is a cut at e5 to deal with. The key question is how weak is black's wall versus white's k3 stone: if black plays a checking extension at m3 then white can g4 or so which helps k3 and weakens the wall, if black h3 then white is happy to n3. I find it difficult to know how to continue as black.
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Offline Prodigious
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Post #32 Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:27 am 
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Uberdude wrote:
EdLee wrote:
lovelove wrote:
I don't know if this is joseki, but my cut (D4) was a natural move, and the white stone on low side is in a good position.
Seems highly unlikely that this could be joseki, with Black making the broken shape in White, in sente...
but let's double check and find out...


I think Ed is too blindly applying his broken shape detector and it is far from clear this result is good for black; in fact probably I prefer white. Although it is true white has blighted his f3 stones, it is not dead yet, whereas black has completely killed his own 2 stones in the corner, making white totally alive with about 10 points of territory. Black's wall is not alive and could even be a weak group, and there is a cut at e5 to deal with. The key question is how weak is black's wall versus white's k3 stone: if black plays a checking extension at m3 then white can g4 or so which helps k3 and weakens the wall, if black h3 then white is happy to n3. I find it difficult to know how to continue as black.

Yeah, agreed. I'm pretty sure this result favors white and that black D5 was a mistake. Either D4 or E3 would probably have been better, I prefer E3.

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Post #33 Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:40 pm 
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$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have 2 realistic choices - the move I played and the solid connetction. My move has the bas aji of a cut by W later. However, it does have a follow up:
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[go]$$cm27
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 4 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 6 X O X O . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


W needs to protect at 32 or the corner will drop off. So W may be better off with a tenuki fo 30, playing:

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[go]$$cm27
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 5 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 6 X O X O . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



For my previous move, I had two choices. I could play as in the game, or this looks feaible:

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[go]$$cm27
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 X O 2 . 0 . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 5 X 1 . O . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 9 7 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


W's move on the lower side looks well placed, which was I rejected this.It's hard to attack the group containing 30 convincingly.
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 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #34 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:46 am 
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[go]$$cm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . . . O . . 4 . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Can't find other alternatives, seems the only move I can play now.

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Post #35 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:12 am 
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[go]$$cm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Again, there are a few choices for this move. The attachment in my previous post is possible. However, the move played seems to coordinate my moves reaonably well and I believe that the attachment is smaller.
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Post #36 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:00 am 
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[go]$$cm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . 6 , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Again, I think this is the only move I can play now. I don't understand why he chose his last move with bad aji.

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 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #37 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:57 am 
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I don't understand why he chose his last move with bad aji.
Do you think he should have played this?
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[go]$$cm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , B . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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That was my move, so I'd be interested in the answer too :P
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[go]$$Wcm1 Aji??
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . 4 9 2 . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . . . O . . O 8 X 3 1 . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . 6 5 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm never sure what is the best I can do in this corner, but I don't think it is solid territory, and it is very sure that drmwc can't easily make kos later that I have a sure ko factory now.

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[go]$$cm31
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


36 is a ladder block, and the cut looks quite severe. But just connecting is too passive for B.

I expect the following:

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[go]$$cm37
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 4 X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


B's position should be playable. There are other options for W. For example, he can still cut. One line is:


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[go]$$cm37
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 3 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 O O X 2 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 5 X O X 4 . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 6 X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


At this point, my 3 stones have a lot of aji (there's a ladder to save them which currently doesn't work for for me). So this should also be playable.
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