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 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #41 Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:32 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Debated between this and playing at the top middle starpoint (either 3rd line or 4th) and I'm not certain if I made the right decision. I have guesses as to QT's next move, but so far my predictions have all been wrong.
edit: having thought about it some more, I think that playing at the starpoint or a small-knight enclosure at O17 would have been better. Live and learn.

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Post #42 Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:19 am 
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$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Debated between this and playing at the top middle starpoint (either 3rd line or 4th) and I'm not certain if I made the right decision. I have guesses as to QT's next move, but so far my predictions have all been wrong.
edit: having thought about it some more, I think that playing at the starpoint or a small-knight enclosure at O17 would have been better. Live and learn.


There's nothing wrong with the one space enclosure vis-a-vis the small knight's enclosure in this situation, in my opinion. That said, the top side is bigger, as black already has the C11 stone in place to pressure white should white choose to approach the corner. That means that black can expect that fight to happen on the top of the left side, and so black should play on the top side to make the most territory through that fight, should it happen. The top side is also the widest place left on the board in the opening, so getting a stone their first helps black to get a better result there. It also works well with the top right stone. That said, black should be able to get a good pincer if white approaches the top right from the inside at O17 or so, and should be able to pressure a group that forms on the top decently because the top left is thick in this situation.

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Post #43 Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:43 am 
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On a side note, I just got my copy of Opening Theory Made Easy in the mail. I've actually read through it twice, understanding a little bit more each time. However, the more recent time was over a year ago. I had access to a library with a fair number of Go books, but I'm losing that access next week, so I've been trying to buy the ones I liked most.

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Post #44 Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:58 pm 
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 2 . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I expected a move on the top middle star point. Didn't happen. I may be missing something however I feel the best move here is to take up that point and begin some influence for a later time. I choose to take low lying fruit at this time.


Man, I love the go books however I don't know how to get better from them. Love reading them however it's like water thru a sieve. My next plan of attack is to read go books and play out on a board. See if that has more retention.

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Post #45 Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:06 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


For once, I was actually right about the next move. I've often heard that it's "correct" to extend from your enclosure toward the splitting stone. But I've also heard that sometimes, this isn't the case and that it's better to extend from the 4-4. TBH, I don't have much experience with either. The one thing I did notice is that if I extended from my enclosure, my 4-4 stone could get real lonely real fast. If the Q10 stone wasn't there, I would have been much more willing to extend from the enclosure.
I debated between M17 and N17, but like my move at D5, I've decided to go against my instincts and play moves that are more bold. I've been told that one of my problems is that I play moves that are "too safe." As such, I want to try to break this mold somewhat.

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Post #46 Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:54 pm 
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I've been told that one of my problems is that I play moves that are "too safe."
Yes, this is the same problem for many of us --
if we play too safely, we are too slow, inefficient;
if we play too "fast," too thin, we overplay and leave weakness behind...
to find just the right move, not too slow, not too fast -- it's a never-ending quest. :)

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ikkyu,
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I've been told that one of my problems is that I play moves that are "too safe."
Yes, this is the same problem for many of us --
if we play too safely, we are too slow, inefficient;
if we play too "fast," too thin, we overplay and leave weakness behind...
to find just the right move, not too slow, not too fast -- it's a never-ending quest. :)


Yeah, I know. But I look forward to it getting better. I listen to players giving lectures about, what seems to me, to be very esoteric positions, and they'll say things like, "The standard move is..." Granted, since I'm starting at an older age and I don't have a lot of time to devote to playing and studying, I'm not expecting to reach the same level as these people (mid dan amateurs, by in large), but I would like a little more assurance from familiarity. Of course, the best way to do this is play more, which I'm trying to do.

But... yeah.

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Post #48 Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:47 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm11
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sorry for the delay. Life caught up.

So the following is for the diagram below. I was thinking just make a base for invasion and reduce the influence of the upper middle area for black. Didn't feel like an efficient move soooo
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 4 . . 6 5 . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Then I looked at it from this angle (below) and thought that was an even worse situation. It is called a wing? is it not?
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[go]$$Bcm11
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 4 . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


soooooooo I decided to go with this move (below) to keep pressure on black and persuade them to limit their growth.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 6 . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I value input on the correctness of this choice (b/t the two. I am sure there are far better moves I did not see). as always, to be reviewed after the game is over.

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Post #49 Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:10 pm 
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Sorry for the delay. Life caught up.


It's a crying shame. If only life could stop happening and leave us eternally to play with our gobans. :mrgreen:


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Post #50 Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:18 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 1 . . . X . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


No problem. I know how life can get. For example, "life" is the reason I can't sleep.

Thought about M15, R16, or attaching at Q14.

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Post #51 Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:05 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm15
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 1 . . 2 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't feel like this is a very strong or aggressive move however I don't want him taking up the whole upper side. It would defeat the point I made earlier, not letting him have the wing. Problem is that I am well aware of my open right corner and he is under little obligation to respond to my move. My hope is that there will be some token response, perhaps J/K 17 in an attempt to hold his area. Reality is, I'm not sure where he is going to go. Roll the dice I guess.

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Post #52 Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:14 pm 
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This move does not seem good at all as it helps Black secure territory in the top right while not making the White stone any safer.
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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . 1 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . 2 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

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Post #53 Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:57 am 
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Terminology question (for anyone): I believe I've seen moves like Black 13 called something like "checking approach" or "checking extension." Is this case?

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Post #54 Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:13 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I must admit that I'm a little surprised by white 16 as it seems like it helps me more than it helps QT. When I played black 13, I was concerned that the space between it and my 4-4 stone was too open. This makes it a little more secure. Plus, depending on his response, I can see a few good follow-ups for me. I thought about responding with a hane, but the scenarios I envisioned made his group stronger towards the center than I wanted without much gain for me.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . 2 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


or

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O 1 3 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 4 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


Granted, I've never been any good at correctly anticipating my opponent's moves, so I may be way off.

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Post #55 Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:31 am 
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A checking extension implies that the group being checked is already somewhat stable and is being prevented from expanding. In this case, it's more of an attack since white didn't have a base yet.


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Post #56 Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:28 am 
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skydyr wrote:
A checking extension implies that the group being checked is already somewhat stable and is being prevented from expanding. In this case, it's more of an attack since white didn't have a base yet.


So a checking extension would be something like move 1 here?

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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . O . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

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Post #57 Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:36 am 
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ikkyu wrote:
skydyr wrote:
A checking extension implies that the group being checked is already somewhat stable and is being prevented from expanding. In this case, it's more of an attack since white didn't have a base yet.


So a checking extension would be something like move 1 here?

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . O . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


Yes.

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Post #58 Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:17 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . 1 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well I think "run" is a good thing to do here. I may not have a base however I have some good ground to run to. After this, I will move on to a more territory motivated move.

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Post #59 Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:26 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . 3 . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Thought about H14, but extending on this side seems like the better idea. Maybe someone can put feedback under a spoiler tag for after the game?

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Post #60 Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:41 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, I'm looking at this and saying, wth do I do? If I continue to run, I can hope to get influence in the center. The right side is mine, so black sending a runner between us is diminishing returns, therefore what is his plan there? The longer the run to the center, the better the chance of that group surviving. I guess my plan at this point is to run to the middle then cut behind the upper right star point with a 3-3 joseki or 3-4 and reduce. After that, look to strengthen my position on the lower right vs invade C8-D8.

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