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Offline supernerd
 Post subject: 19k vs 14k
Post #1 Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 5:15 am 
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Hey there,

I would be grateful if anyone would give their thoughts on this game I played on kgs today.

Thanks!



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Offline oca
 Post subject: Re: 19k vs 14k
Post #2 Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 5:26 am 
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Hi supernerd, and welcome !

I'm not strong enougth to comment on the game, but I just wanted to let you know that you can use "sgf" tags to show that game like this :

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Offline supernerd
 Post subject: Re: 19k vs 14k
Post #3 Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 5:35 am 
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Edited.

Thanks, thats handy!
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Offline oca
 Post subject: Re: 19k vs 14k
Post #4 Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 6:31 am 
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:shock: on move white 75 : why did white not just take the whole "W" black group by playing at C7 instead of E8?
[edit]Nice cat on your avatar ;) [/edit]

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Offline supernerd
 Post subject: Re: 19k vs 14k
Post #5 Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 6:48 am 
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Moves 74 and 75 were terrible play on both sides. Apparently white did not realize he had placed my group in atari with 73 and I did not notice so I daftly played 74 instead of connecting that group or capturing whites group. :oops: Immediately after 75 I noticed.
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Offline CnP
 Post subject: Re: 19k vs 14k
Post #6 Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 7:55 am 
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Hi, well not being a Dan level player it's quite possible everything I say is 180 degrees wrong :) but you might find it interesting to see what comments I made. - I haven't had much experience reviewing other people's game records either :) .


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Offline EdLee
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Post #7 Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 12:20 pm 
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supernerd wrote:
Moves 74 and 75 were terrible play on both sides.
Correct. Immediate projects for you:
  • Learn to see ataris. This means understanding of liberties. :b74:, :b76: .
  • Basic Life-and-Death. :b98: (Pass);
  • :black: 101 : -1 pt gote, worse than pass;
  • :black: 103 : -1 pt gote, worse than pass;
  • :black: 107 : -1 pt gote, worse than pass;
  • :black: 113 : -1 pt gote, worse than pass;
  • :black: 115 : Good, you saw the throw-in;
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Offline ez4u
 Post subject: Re: 19k vs 14k
Post #8 Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 1:40 pm 
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A few reading points for your practice:
On 60 ( :b1: below) what if White cuts as shown here? You are stuck for an answer. You need to continue with 60 at 'a' to extend your liberties.
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[go]$$Bc What now?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X O . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . O O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O O O X X O O X O O O |
$$ | . O X . X . X . X O X . . X X . X X X |
$$ | . . X O X O O . X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . X O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

On 66 ( :b2: below) what if White cuts as shown here? You lose two stones in sente. You should answer :w1: with :b6: to protect you weaknesses. Note that if White then wedges in with 7, you can keep everything by answering with 5.

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[go]$$Wc What now (2)?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 5 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 2 4 3 X O . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | 1 X X O O . . O O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O O O X X O O X O O O |
$$ | . O X . X . X . X O X . . X X . X X X |
$$ | . . X O X O O . X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . X O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

On 146 just extend at :b1: as shown below. The important point is that this threatens to capture five White stones in the ladder at :b3: if White plays against your cut off stones in the corner. If White plays at 3 herself, you can capture the cutting stone with 'a' and the whole upper right corner and side is yours.
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[go]$$Bc Just extend with a threat
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O X . O X . . . . . . X O . . a . . |
$$ | . O . X O X . . . X . . . X X X W 2 . |
$$ | X O X X O . . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | O O O X O . . . . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . . X . . . 3 O X O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . X . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O O . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | X X X O O . O O O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X X X X O O O X X O O X O O O |
$$ | O O X . X . X X X O X . . X X . X X X |
$$ | . X X O X O O . X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . . O O . . O X O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


On 156 you protect against a cut that does not matter. If you had protected the corner with :b1: below, you would still have won big.
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[go]$$Bc What now for White?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O X . O X . . . . . . X O . . 1 . . |
$$ | . O . X O X . . . X . . 3 X X X O . . |
$$ | X O X X O . . . . . . 2 X O O O X X . |
$$ | O O O X O . . . . . . X O . O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X O . . . . X . X O O O . O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . X . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O O . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | X X X O O . O O O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O O X X X X X O O O X X O O X O O O |
$$ | O O X . X . X X X O X . . X X . X X X |
$$ | . X X O X O O . X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . . O O . . O X O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White 171 ( :w1: below)was an incredible opportunity (should have been at 3 below to keep things simple). It leaves behind the atari at :b2: below that captures the White cutting stones.
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[go]$$Wc Keep on pushing!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 4 6 |
$$ | O O X . O X . . . . . . X O . X W 3 5 |
$$ | . O . X O X . . . X . X . X X X W X . |
$$ | X O X X O . . . . . . . X O O O X X . |
$$ | O O O X O . . . . . . X O . O . O O X |
$$ | O X X X O . . . . X . X O O O . O X . |
$$ | . O O X O . . . . . . . X O . O X O . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . X . X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O O . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . O . O X O . . |
$$ | X X X O O . O O O O O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | X O O X X X X X O O O X X O O X O O O |
$$ | O O X . X . X X X O X . . X X X X X X |
$$ | . X X O X O O . X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . . O O . . O X O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline supernerd
 Post subject: Re: 19k vs 14k
Post #9 Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 10:26 pm 
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Thank you CnP, EdLee, and ez4u for all the very helpful feedback and analysis. :D

I made so many mistakes in this game its crazy. I am not used to playing at that speed so some of the more obvious tactical mistakes were because of me panicking under the time pressure or not reading fast enough. However, alot of the mistakes pointed out I would have still made even with indefinite thinking time and never caught in hindsight. This will give me a lot to study which is great. :study:
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You're welcome. Are you close to the Seattle Go Center?
I'm sure they have nice members there who can help you with your Go, too. :)
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Offline supernerd
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Post #11 Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 3:42 am 
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Yes, I am near the Seattle go center, its great there. :D Unfortunately its about an hour and a half by bus so I can only go every so often.
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