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Post #21 Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:54 am 
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Go Seigen's 100th birthday is a week from today! (June 12) Seems like somebody somewhere should be making a big deal of this. Any plans?

Or maybe according to Chinese and Japanese counting he's already 100? I'm not sure.

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Post #22 Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:34 pm 
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I'll try to replay as many games from his Collected Games as possible, or something gunny like this

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Post #23 Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:40 pm 
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Could we find 100 members to each replay a different game of his? Members so far: RBerenguel, Hushfield. 98 to go.


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Post #24 Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:32 pm 
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Surprise! Google is celebrating Shusaku's birthday instead. http://www.google.com/doodles/honinbo-s ... h-birthday

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Post #25 Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:19 am 
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I would hope that some celebrations are taking place in China and Japan. Has anyone heard anything?

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Post #26 Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:53 am 
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Hushfield wrote:
Could we find 100 members to each replay a different game of his? Members so far: RBerenguel, Hushfield. 98 to go.


I'm in. Here's mine, quite the awesome game, played a bit more than 75 years ago against Sakata Eio:



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Post #27 Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:52 am 
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I suppose I'll just publish the most recent game of his that I was looking over.

Although the game is famous for a rare triple attack, the most interesting thing to me was his response to White 42 (and the entire following sequence). Also, why White chose 40 rather than C11...the simplicity in the way he creates such a firm group inside the opponent's territory was interesting to me. There's commentary of the game in Go World, Iss. 100. He was 12-points ahead before his opponent resigned.

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In the process of saving his centre top and side groups, White's centre right group has died, so this decides the game.



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Post #28 Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 6:35 am 
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Maybe we could find 100 new players who are each willing to lose their first 100 games on his birthday.

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Post #29 Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:21 am 
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Hushfield wrote:
Could we find 100 members to each replay a different game of his? Members so far: RBerenguel, Hushfield. 98 to go.

I'm in. I'll use the recent Go Eye update and find a nice shin-fuseki game, maybe against Kitani. Great idea.

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Post #30 Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:09 am 
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I'm willing!

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Post #31 Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:30 pm 
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吴清源, 祝您生日快乐!

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Post #32 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:14 am 
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Have replayed two games so far, also first time I used my slate and shell stones. First two games of his collected games, more to come after a little programming work.

First: As usual, problems with keeping the book open by my side
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Second: Hey, this works to keep it open!
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Post #33 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:05 am 
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First: As usual, problems with keeping the book open by my side


Tut tut. If you are going to be devoted to the man you should at least work on acquiring wonky fingers like him. Shaving your head is another option.


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Post #34 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:55 am 
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Tut tut. If you are going to be devoted to the man you should at least work on acquiring wonky fingers like him. Shaving your head is another option.


I've been having elbow issues due to too much computer usage (I've been working standing up for the past two weeks, with short pauses every 5 minutes and long pauses every 15), and keeping a book open would stress them way too much. If I didn't have a wonky head I'd consider shaving it, way too hot here in Spain to have any kind of hair :/

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Post #35 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:09 am 
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I replayed the 4-player game detailed in The Go Consultants, by John Fairbairn and T. Mark Hall. It was Go Seigen and Kitani Minoru against their teachers Suzuki Tamejiro and Segoe Kensaku.


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Post #36 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:06 pm 
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Two more, games 3 and 4 in his collected games.

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Post #37 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:18 pm 
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Two more, games 3 and 4 in his collected games.

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Those boards look vertical. Did you glue the stones on! :shock:

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Post #38 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:30 pm 
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Two more, games 3 and 4 in his collected games.

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Those boards look vertical. Did you glue the stones on! :shock:


:D probably ended up rotated, since I took the pictures with my iPad. The stones are thin slate and shell and the board is 6cm wood. No glue (well, I guess the pieces of the board are glued, though)

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Post #39 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:49 pm 
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I played through the first game of his jubango with Kitani. His may have been the first of his games I fully played through--I'd been led to believe that his play was rather opaque for weaker players such as myself. This wasn't the case at all! The style was certainly beyond my ability to imitate (though that could be said for any professional), but his moves didn't seem hard too understand, just hard to execute.

Here are a few of my thoughts on the game (I couldn't find the sgf online without a login, so I haven't included it here at the moment.):
  • It is incredibly hard to take sente from Go Seigen, especially in the opening. Every move he played was light. In particular, he approached the corners from a little farther than I am used to seeing. As a result, he didn't need to spend a second move in that corner before moving elsewhere.
  • After the first 50 moves, Kitani had two strong corner groups and Go had stones spread all around the board in such a way that any invasion/reduction was sure to bring him profit. Kitani handled it wonderfully, of course, but it was really interesting to see the contrast in strategies.
  • Ko fights are always one of my favorite parts of professional games, and this was no exception. Go very clearly knew what he wanted when he initiated a Ko fight. I smiled when I saw him grow the size of a ko by crawling along the first line at move 130. It was an amusing sequence.

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Post #40 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:04 pm 
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I've been very busy today and didn't have time to play through a whole game. So I decided to play jsut 100 moves: the first move from his first game, the second move from his second game, the third move from his third game, ....

It led to one weird game. No wonder I cannot understand pro games.

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