(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]OT[10x30 byo-yomi]
PW[mingjiu]PB[FengYun]WR[7p]BR[9p]DT[2018-08-21]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.usgo.org/news/2018/08/1st-ti ... 24-on-kgs/
Koyou [1k]: ty
mongo [1k]: b played 2 1k moves in a row..

redreoicy [6d]: I guess white should win then
mongo [1k]: :^(
njs [3d]: just q7...
njs [3d]: b is floundering
greenvibes [2k]: does anyone know if the tournament results/brackets are available online ?
U [-]: well its double elimination, top 2 go to the tournament
U [-]: both these players lost yesterday
r0n1n [3d]: since games are played on kgs, you can also just check the result of their previous game in their profile
redreoicy [6d]: I would guess r4 here
U [-]: itll be 6 pros left after today. loser of this game and loser of ryan/ahn dalhoon
U [-]: will be eliminated today
mongo [1k]: i woule r4..
Koyou [1k]: same red
mongo [1k]: but thot too safe..
U [-]: suchs for ahn dalhoon though, he was way ahead in the game vs huiren yang but he had connection issues and lost on time
njs [3d]: lol
njs [3d]: rip
Koyou [1k]: seriously rip
njs [3d]: q7 need
]
;W[pm]WL[2359.488]C[njs [3d]: ye
]
;B[po]BL[2602.653]C[r0n1n [3d]: yeee
mongo [1k]: hehehe
]
;W[qp]WL[2348.683]C[mongo [1k]: this seems pretty good
mongo [1k]: p7
mongo [1k]: n6
ML [3d]: n6
r0n1n [3d]: yep, those are all vital points
mongo [1k]: mingjiu says yep alot
]
;B[kq]BL[2413.254]C[mongo [1k]: l3
ML [3d]: ha
njs [3d]: little bit late on that one mongo
mongo [1k]: oops late again
]
;W[lq]WL[2335.577]
;B[lp]BL[2411.679]C[mongo [1k]:

njs [3d]: might as well t19
]
;W[lo]WL[2316.092]C[njs [3d]: t19 seems like a sente i think
SuperAwe [3k]: Ouch
njs [3d]: t19 s18 s19 r18 r19 t18 t17 q19 p18
]
;B[lr]BL[2385.936]
;W[mp]WL[2294.896]C[r0n1n [3d]: good call
r0n1n [3d]: i sense seki
njs [3d]: I think b18 is a vital invasion?
SuperAwe [3k]: K3?
redreoicy [6d]: k3 then white might play n3
r0n1n [3d]: c18 is the fashion now, for the upper left corner
SuperAwe [3k]: N3 o2
r0n1n [3d]: is n3 problematic ?
SuperAwe [3k]: It's ko
]
;B[jq]BL[2277.671]C[redreoicy [6d]: o2 is nice move
redreoicy [6d]: n3 is terrible move

njs [3d]: wait what
SuperAwe [3k]: My bad
njs [3d]: l2 seems better than k3
]
;W[ho]WL[2260.802]C[njs [3d]: white seems better
r0n1n [3d]: obviously time for a san san invasion
redreoicy [6d]: If l2 white could play k3
]
;B[go]BL[2192.443]C[SuperAwe [3k]: W is preparing for ko on the right?
]
;W[em]WL[2246.313]
;B[dl]BL[2186.225]C[njs [3d]: so
mongo [1k]: hmmm??
]
;W[io]WL[2233.038]C[njs [3d]: after k3 it isnt severe
mongo [1k]: not bad for w but b seems ok too
mongo [1k]: maybe better for w?
]
;B[im]BL[2122.373]C[mongo [1k]: oh!!
SuperAwe [3k]: Woah
Koyou [1k]: wow ok
]
;W[jp]WL[2206.322]
;B[hp]BL[2109.389]C[SuperAwe [3k]: J7 turns out to be good move, fixing B's weakness in bottom group in Senate?
SuperAwe [3k]: *sentw
KoyoToya [1d]: Ah autocprrect
njs [3d]: I would say in the House myself
SuperAwe [3k]: Oops
mongo [1k]: so did w overplay somewhere?
redreoicy [6d]: no
KoyoToya [1d]: Q7, imo
]
;W[jn]WL[2077.674]C[SuperAwe [3k]: W played q7?
njs [3d]: q7 was necessary
njs [3d]: there was no other move
mongo [1k]: ya q7 was nice move
mongo [1k]: g8 ?
mongo [1k]: no forget it
SuperAwe [3k]: I think G8 might be overlay?
SuperAwe [3k]: *overplay
mongo [1k]: p7 now
UBIK [2k]: not sure 7p do much overplay
njs [3d]: g8 i guess
SuperAwe [3k]: Tenuki?
Azabache [3d]: q7 was very strong move
ctdogpdf: o2 is pretty big but b seems in a fighty mood
ctdogpdf: g8 is to be expected after connecting thos j7 stones ?
soundpost [6k]: is the black group alive in the bottom middle without another play?
mongo [1k]: yes and no
Azabache [3d]: Q7 won the crowd
]
;B[gl]BL[1908.636]C[ctdogpdf: its a shrodinger group ?
njs [3d]: i mean
njs [3d]: q7 was sort of obvious
mongo [1k]: hey 1k move
njs [3d]: but kk
ctdogpdf: so w has to push out
mongo [1k]: g9
ctdogpdf: meaning j7 is safe and w keeps running
Azabache [3d]: i meant j7
FAKENEWSS: h9 only
ctdogpdf: unless h9 f8 l8 ?
Azabache [3d]: coordinates disabled
]
;W[ek]WL[1929.094]C[mongo [1k]: ah interesting
]
;B[gk]BL[1896.729]C[Azabache [3d]: So, J7 was a very strong move.
]
;W[el]WL[1917.609]
;B[mq]BL[1889.646]C[ctdogpdf: b looks good now
ctdogpdf: j9 like a crazy person
mongo [1k]: dirty and hairy?
redreoicy [6d]: h9 fight!
mongo [1k]: f16
]
;W[ik]WL[1786.576]
;B[jk]BL[1886.757]
;W[ij]WL[1783.09]
;B[jj]BL[1885.136]
;W[ii]WL[1780.231]C[mongo [1k]: always fighting..
mongo [1k]: this fight will go on for the next 50 moves

]
;B[om]BL[1824.297]C[mongo [1k]: finally
]
;W[on]WL[1751.568]
;B[qo]BL[1803.387]
;W[ro]WL[1742.42]
;B[rp]BL[1800.145]
;W[rq]WL[1735.092]
;B[pn]BL[1797.124]C[soundpost [6k]: wow
josuke: so
josuke: what happens if white connects at r7, and then after black goes p8, whtie cuts at n2
ctdogpdf: someone has to die it seems
mongo [1k]: n6 ?
Lambic12 [1k]: this game is for learning us, poor newbies, what a clean shape is
Azabache [3d]: K5 may work soon
ctdogpdf: r7
mafutrct [-]: the cut at n2 is less danger because p4 is sente
]
;W[rm]WL[1587.41]
;B[pl]BL[1793.42]
;W[qm]WL[1584.519]C[josuke: but then s6 loses its value
]
;B[no]BL[1773.748]C[mafutrct [-]: that sounds right
sh [5k]: Hi mafutrct
]
;W[nm]WL[1480.929]C[mongo [1k]: b seems better now..
mongo [1k]: to me..
josuke: i think white in control
josuke: as long as white keeps the p7 group and the k7 group split and doesnt die that is
josuke: if we consider that c17 and q16 are the same size, and the bottom right and bottom left corner as the same
josuke: then white has the g9 stones in his mouth, and komi
mongo [1k]: i thot n6 not o5
Sorry [8d]: p8 l8 k8 o8
]
;B[mn]BL[1652.033]C[josuke: uh
josuke: l8?
mongo [1k]: not as good now..
mongo [1k]: imo
josuke: what does black do if white l8 right not
josuke: seems like no good move
Sorry [8d]: l8 o8
mongo [1k]: 2 l8 for l8
josuke: taking the o6stones
josuke: and giving up the four in the center
josuke: would be pretty good for white ya
josuke: and he gets sente
Kellan [?]: More than 4 stones in center
Kellan [?]: And they are cutting stones
Azabache [3d]: center is a group, not simply stones
]
;W[mm]WL[1198.36]C[Kellan [?]: You mean give up j9 group?
josuke: so this way, white gets the k7 stones, but also makes it so that the o7 stones have more aji
josuke: i like it
]
;B[lm]BL[1537.98]
;W[km]WL[1190.821]C[mongo [1k]: what else..
]
;B[ll]BL[1533.323]C[josuke: k8, then black p7
josuke: er 8
Azabache [3d]: everybody eats 4 stones
redreoicy [6d]: munch munch
josuke: better for whtie tho
redreoicy [6d]: everybody eats 4 stones, then white wins
mongo [1k]: oops supper time
]
;W[jl]WL[1126.186]
;B[ol]BL[1531.703]C[josuke: white eats 4 in sente
josuke: and gets a lot of aji
josuke: with the four
mongo [1k]: yeah w capture big
josuke: white goes r9, or simply r17
josuke: and this looks in the bag
]
;W[qc]WL[1099.728]
;B[pc]BL[1507.319]
;W[qd]WL[1096.581]C[Kellan [?]: Oh, those 4:)
]
;B[qe]BL[1493.966]
;W[re]WL[1094.008]
;B[rf]BL[1492.697]
;W[pb]WL[1079.04]
;B[ob]BL[1480.51]
;W[oc]WL[1075.423]
;B[pe]BL[1479.52]
;W[nb]WL[1072.97]
;B[qb]BL[1478.79]C[josuke: nice
]
;W[oa]WL[1071.851]
;B[rb]BL[1478.072]C[josuke: this is good for w
josuke: k16
josuke: huge point
Kellan [?]: I agree
josuke: or even o16
josuke: 15*
Kellan [?]: Great for w
josuke: l17 for safety
josuke: but either way, very nice
]
;W[cj]WL[1020.858]C[Sorry [8d]: w's not worried about b developing
Sorry [8d]: right side is open for w to invade
josuke: ya r9 hole
josuke: always there
]
;B[mc]BL[1453.655]C[Sorry [8d]: m17 ?
josuke: i dont like c10 tho
redreoicy [6d]: really q18 isn't a good move but white is too far ahead...
josuke: c10 feels like giving black a chance
]
;W[kc]WL[975.92]C[josuke: natural follow
]
;B[dd]BL[1444.192]
;W[dc]WL[965.397]
;B[ed]BL[1442.387]
;W[fc]WL[961.694]C[josuke: minju playing well
josuke: glad to see

]
;B[ec]BL[1299.103]
;W[eb]WL[957.225]
;B[cd]BL[1298.344]
;W[bc]WL[883.517]
;B[fd]BL[1267.591]
;W[gc]WL[881.085]
;B[gd]BL[1260.25]
;W[hd]WL[874.678]
;B[he]BL[1258.242]
;W[id]WL[813.28]
;B[db]BL[1242.463]
;W[fb]WL[810.655]
;B[ch]BL[1202.959]
;W[nd]WL[794.596]
;B[ne]BL[1193.824]
;W[kl]WL[767.928]C[njs [3d]: whats the point of that wall
josuke: :/
ctdogpdf: walling
njs [3d]: so black is lost then i guess
ctdogpdf: game looks even to me
ctdogpdf: maybe b slightly better
josuke: nah, black behind
]
;B[rk]BL[928.504]C[josuke: l8 was kinda bad tho
josuke: but following with m9 isnt too bad
]
;W[qk]WL[618.305]
;B[ql]BL[920.256]
;W[rl]WL[616.973]
;B[rj]BL[917.146]C[Sorry [8d]: o9 ?
josuke: r11 seems like a nice probe
]
;W[mo]WL[504.5]
;B[ml]BL[910.485]C[ctdogpdf: i like b
]
;W[ln]WL[491.091]
;B[nl]BL[908.349]
;W[mn]WL[489.9]C[josuke: honestly dont like this trade for white
njs [3d]: n16 need
josuke: i feel like he coulda got a lot more value
Sorry [8d]: me neither
Sorry [8d]: perhaps he's preparing for l2 ?
josuke: that seems far fetched
josuke: like hes winning
Sorry [8d]: a long ko for sure
josuke: no need to play the ko
Kellan [?]: Is this sentence against bottom group?
Kellan [?]: Sente
josuke: i dont think so
Sorry [8d]: cut seems fairly large
leelaqi [9d]: l2 seems pretty dangerous
Sorry [8d]: ^
josuke: ^
josuke: perhaps
Harmonic [7d]: o2 fine for b
josuke: but black doesnt have time to fix that ya
Sorry [8d]: looks severe
josuke: hm
josuke: if black fixes here, then ig uess this sequence was pretty good for him
josuke: for white
]
;B[nr]BL[706.397]C[redreoicy [6d]: cut should be too small for now
josuke: ^
]
;W[ns]WL[479.683]C[josuke: well gj minju
josuke: i for one did not see this sequence as viable at first xd
]
;B[ms]BL[615.386]
;W[os]WL[475.385]
;B[ks]BL[614.355]C[SuperAwe [3k]: Huge ko
josuke: so is it n16 or m10
SuperAwe [3k]: Nvm
]
;W[mi]WL[441.216]C[njs [3d]: 2 points is huge ko?
josuke: xD
SuperAwe [3k]: My bad

SuperAwe [3k]: I misread
josuke: well hey guys, was fun, hope to see you all tomorrow
SuperAwe [3k]: Bye
josuke: enjoy the rest of these games
]
;B[ni]BL[555.72]
;W[nh]WL[352.053]
;B[mh]BL[552.79]
;W[nj]WL[184.368]
;B[oi]BL[549.276]
;W[li]WL[181.863]
;B[lh]BL[541.241]
;W[oj]WL[84.155]
;B[pj]BL[534.971]
;W[ng]WL[76.712]
;B[ph]BL[423.262]
;W[me]WL[62.603]
;B[md]BL[412.057]
;W[oe]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[od]BL[407.111]
;W[nc]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[of]BL[405.731]
;W[nf]WL[30]OW[8]C[Sorry [8d]: fierce
Sorry [8d]: must be from the pushups
njs [3d]: m15
njs [3d]: how can black win from here
]
;B[le]BL[11.345]C[njs [3d]: I hope ther's a miracle
]
;W[oe]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[fn]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[fm]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[ne]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[mf]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[mb]BL[30]OB[10]
;W[oe]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[kd]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[lb]WL[30]OW[8]C[njs [3d]: k17 ig
Grunman [1k]: b got 9p btw
]
;B[ma]BL[30]OB[9]C[njs [3d]: we know
]
;W[pf]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[qf]BL[30]OB[9]C[njs [3d]: it says at the top of the game
]
;W[og]WL[30]OW[8]C[sh [5k]: is there anyone got classic tsumego collection in sgf form,thank you
]
;B[kh]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[pg]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[qg]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[kg]WL[30]OW[8]
;B[ie]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[lf]WL[30]OW[7]
;B[jc]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[kj]WL[30]OW[6]C[Grunman [1k]: there is Cho Chikun's encyclopedia of Life&Death, i guess it's not hard to find it
]
;B[ki]BL[30]OB[9]
;W[lk]WL[30]OW[6]C[njs [3d]: k11 or?
Grunman [1k]: cool connection
njs [3d]: i guess n10 first
]
;B[ji]BL[30]OB[8]C[njs [3d]: or not
njs [3d]: lol
]
;W[kk]WL[30]OW[6]
;B[ih]BL[30]OB[8]C[njs [3d]: white winning seems less certain now
]
;W[jg]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[jh]BL[30]OB[8]
;W[if]WL[30]OW[5]C[sh [5k]: koyo please check my pm,you are so much into this game lol
]
;B[hf]BL[30]OB[8]
;W[hg]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[hh]BL[30]OB[8]
;W[ig]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[gh]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[gg]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[fh]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[je]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[kb]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[eg]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[eh]BL[30]OB[6]
;W[dg]WL[30]OW[4]C[Kellan [?]: Mingjiu is killing something
lonepeak: black seems somewho weak for 9p(
]
;B[dh]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[cg]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ge]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[fg]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[jd]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ib]WL[30]OW[4]
;B[ke]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[jf]WL[30]OW[4]C[njs [3d]: i guess k13 better than j12? idk
ranyee [2k]: no chance
Sorry [8d]: it's over
])
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]OT[10x30 byo-yomi]
PW[mingjiu]PB[cloudnotes]WR[7p]DT[2018-08-24]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[cloudnotes [-]: Hello, goo dluck
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[3588.953]
;W[dd]WL[3565.664]
;B[dp]BL[3586.499]
;W[qp]WL[3527.165]
;B[oq]BL[3585.147]
;W[pn]WL[3501.439]
;B[cc]BL[3583.455]C[kmr [2d]: Before strong bots, Q6 was rather rare, now its one of most frequent responses to low kakari
]
;W[cd]WL[3325.956]
;B[dc]BL[3579.912]
;W[ec]WL[3283.727]
;B[eb]BL[3578.451]
;W[fb]WL[3275.779]
;B[fc]BL[3575.398]
;W[ed]WL[3273.215]
;B[gb]BL[3574.446]
;W[db]WL[3269.084]
;B[fa]BL[3573.696]
;W[cb]WL[3268.419]
;B[ql]BL[3572.68]C[DapperDan [1d]: White is really thinking
]
;W[lp]WL[3048.236]
;B[jq]BL[3364.441]C[akinn [5k?]: m3?
vaansama [-]: oh old joseki
]
;W[qf]WL[2854.127]
;B[np]BL[3294.811]C[kmr [2d]: omg, almosty like Shusaku kosumi!

]
;W[qi]WL[2752.497]C[kmr [2d]: O6 looks nice for black
]
;B[pj]BL[3244.999]
;W[qj]WL[2729.948]
;B[nn]BL[3142.1]C[goodvibes [1k]: Does anyone know if these two have ever played each other before ?
Xpert [4d]: yes
kmr [2d]: i think many times
kmr [2d]: several years ago, it would be huge surprise if Andy win, but now i guess most people would bet on him
spacetime [4d]: I think Andy's been at least as strong as Mingjiu, Fengyun, other retired pros in the US for a long time. He beat both of them in 2009 for to win the Ing Masters, for example
]
;W[pl]WL[2524.604]
;B[pk]BL[3120.098]
;W[ol]WL[2520.847]
;B[qk]BL[3116.49]
;W[qm]WL[2517.492]C[goodvibes [1k]: awesome, thanks for the background story!
kmr [2d]: damn Spacetime, its already 2018 and it was in 2009 lol, time flies too fast
lAmaterasu [1d]: *Who is Cloudnotes?
]
;B[nj]BL[3047.284]C[lAmaterasu [1d]: .
]
;W[ml]WL[2509.144]C[kmr [2d]: Andy Liu 1p
lAmaterasu [1d]: Thanks
kmr [2d]: you welcome
spacetime [4d]: Shameless plug - if you want to see the story of How Andy became the first American Pro, watch "The Surrounding Game", which will be on Netflix next Month!
frankly: I can second that - it was really worth watching.
frankly: Very well made, and with a surprising amount of humor.
goodvibes [1k]: oh you are Will? Yeah that documentary was awesome, congratulations
]
;B[qq]BL[2964.127]C[kmr [2d]: what is "shameless plug" ?
anayami [?]: Yep! It's the reason I and quite a few friends picked Go up again
spacetime [4d]: hey thanks!
]
;W[rq]WL[2465.819]
;B[pp]BL[2961.465]
;W[qo]WL[2458.111]C[Petrosian [3k]: M6?
]
;B[ph]BL[2885.514]
;W[of]WL[2370.619]
;B[qh]BL[2881.033]
;W[nd]WL[2367.191]C[lAmaterasu [1d]: oh I'm from Latin America, I think we'll have to wait for it to come out on netflix here, I hope it's soon! : D
fly [1k]: interesting trade
]
;B[nc]BL[2864.039]C[fly [1k]: w will build a wall then attack the ponuki?
Petrosian [3k]: looks good for b
Petrosian [3k]: ponnuki is already strong
fly [1k]: So, what is w's plan?
XXNINJAXX [4d]: Build a wall then attack the ponnuki doesn't sound like a plan I'd ever want to have
]
;W[qc]WL[2268.763]C[randaoms: the reason you are only 4d
rubicon [3d]: i love this move
fly [1k]: Huh, steal the corner...
Petrosian [3k]: i thought that looked nice
dash [-]: s14 idea
Petrosian [3k]: B has to defend at q17?
Petrosian [3k]: Or will R16 work?
rubicon [3d]: i dont think q17 is good
Petrosian [3k]: maybe r16 will work
fly [1k]: p15 might be fun
kmr [2d]: attacking black ponnuki is rahter hard to achieve
rubicon [3d]: r16 probably is much better
fly [1k]: ...or n16 to use the awesome power of the ponuki you all seem to like?
dreamz [9d]: r16 looks required
rubicon [3d]: R16 Q17 P17 S16 ?
Petrosian [3k]: S16?
rubicon [3d]: oh just cut
dreamz [9d]: yes and then white gets his broken shape again

rubicon [3d]: seems complicated though
goodvibes [1k]: poo
goodvibes [1k]: plz excuse me, my younger sister grabbed the keyboard
rubicon [3d]: i dont think it works petrosian
monstralex [10k?]: ?
Petrosian [3k]: well i was thinking p16 instead of p17
]
;B[qd]BL[2595.85]C[Petrosian [3k]: b will have running fight with p14 i think
fly [1k]: if s16 s15 s14 threatens to save the R11 stones
fly [1k]: so Mr dreamz: what will w do?
rubicon [3d]: i think he has to q17, right?
dreamz [9d]: q17 ofc
fly [1k]: Then why is he thinking?
rubicon [3d]: but maybe mingjiu will surprise us
rubicon [3d]: he is reading
dreamz [9d]: if s16 black would play q17
rubicon [3d]: yes then maybe w r18?
Petrosian [3k]: but is s16 good here?
rubicon [3d]: but no, i think w will play q17
rubicon [3d]: s16 is usually considered "soft"
GodofGo [9d]: depending on the sequence he prefers he could choose maybe p17 or p16 to force it
fly [1k]: oh... p17 makes n17 sente?
dreamz [9d]: Here though if you try to play p17 or p16 black can q17
GodofGo [9d]: is that necessarily bad?
GodofGo [9d]: hm maybe corner's still big
]
;W[pc]WL[1881.95]C[dreamz [9d]: locally bad
GodofGo [9d]: yeah this is the natural one
]
;B[oc]BL[2578.81]
;W[od]WL[1879.804]C[rubicon [3d]: i dont see any other sequence than this one

]
;B[rc]BL[2577.14]C[fly [1k]: ha! 5 minutes to play the obvious move...
]
;W[rb]WL[1876.25]
;B[rd]BL[2574.779]C[GodofGo [9d]: q18
rubicon [3d]: yes there's some sort of ko there
GodofGo [9d]: do not like this for b
rubicon [3d]: i dont like it for w...
]
;W[pb]WL[1826.697]C[rubicon [3d]: lol
Petrosian [3k]: N17 or S14?
rubicon [3d]: surely not s14
]
;B[ob]BL[2534.221]C[rubicon [3d]: yes this
GodofGo [9d]: q19
rubicon [3d]: R19 P19 Q19 T18 ?
Petrosian [3k]: whaa
rubicon [3d]: hmm no
GodofGo [9d]: or just r19 lol
rubicon [3d]: R19 M17 T18 S14
dreamz [9d]: I think r19 but it's very similar
]
;W[qa]WL[1731.119]C[fly [1k]: so, ko?
GodofGo [9d]: nah w won't t18
kmr [2d]: i smell ko
rubicon [3d]: probably not kmr
kmr [2d]: thats bad
kmr [2d]: i like ko
dreamz [9d]: it's possible for white to kill s17
rubicon [3d]: i think its not a great ko for b
]
;B[lc]BL[2495.978]C[rubicon [3d]: N17 N18 N16 P19 Q19 L18 T18 S14
Petrosian [3k]: so doesn't S14 connect?
GodofGo [9d]: wait a minute...
dreamz [9d]: s13 s12 t17
]
;W[rg]WL[1635.112]C[GodofGo [9d]: yeah
]
;B[oa]BL[2488.851]C[rubicon [3d]: ignore
fly [1k]: good call
]
;W[pa]WL[1631.078]
;B[sb]BL[2485.948]C[dreamz [9d]: oh black refuses to sacrifice
GodofGo [9d]: can't respond obviously
rubicon [3d]: we got our wish
rubicon [3d]: ko
]
;W[rh]WL[1625.315]C[GodofGo [9d]: so annoying for b
dreamz [9d]: Well you can respond it is just a sacrifice
rubicon [3d]: its almost dead though, right?
fly [1k]: why didn't w throw-in at t17 first?
]
;B[md]BL[2458.788]C[Fantleroy [?]: this looks pretty unpleasant
rubicon [3d]: w can throwin at any time fly
fly [1k]: Huh, after teh ko starts?
rubicon [3d]: if b starts the ko, w doesnt care
rubicon [3d]: but b doesnt want to start the ko, thats super slow
fly [1k]: ah...
dreamz [9d]: the throwin isn't good for white
rubicon [3d]: its a good ko threat

kmr [2d]: now ko looks liek inevitable
]
;W[mf]WL[1539.331]C[Fantleroy [?]: it makes the ko two-steps, right ?
dreamz [9d]: throwin isn't a threat
randaoms: corner is way too small
rubicon [3d]: it theatens to live?
dreamz [9d]: yes throwin makes the ko harder for white to win
rubicon [3d]: i dont mean a local threat
Petrosian [3k]: w cant play it as a threat bc b would win the ko by capturing
rubicon [3d]: i mean a ko threat in general
]
;B[lj]BL[2401.189]C[Petrosian [3k]: oh, for another ko?
dreamz [9d]: oh but it's very damaging as a ko threat
Petrosian [3k]: I suppose so, but dreamz said it would still be bad
rubicon [3d]: yeah, i mean t17 is a waste of a ko threat
dreamz [9d]: loses at least 5 points
rubicon [3d]: also, like dreamz said it loses a lib
fly [1k]: dreamz: excuse my brain, but would you be so kind as to explain why it loses 5+ points?
Fantleroy [?]: as it stands, black doesn't need to play a ko to capture the 6 white stones
rubicon [3d]: lets say w wants to start the ko
rubicon [3d]: w would play s15 first
fly [1k]: (er... *lack* of brain)
rubicon [3d]: if b captures
]
;W[kl]WL[1419.017]C[rubicon [3d]: after the ko, the lives
]
;B[jj]BL[2386.564]C[dreamz [9d]: when black makes a ko at s19, if white captures at t17 white is alive ko over
rubicon [3d]: if w had sacrificed 1 stone, it would be a ko for a ko
dreamz [9d]: if there is a black stone at t16 white cannot end the ko in one move
fly [1k]: ah, right; thank you
Petrosian [3k]: ah, of course
Petrosian [3k]: don't blindly throw in!
]
;W[ko]WL[1341.095]C[Fantleroy [?]: i wonder how many semeais i lost because of a throw-in I played
Petrosian [3k]: well often it is good
Petrosian [3k]: tesuji
Petrosian [3k]: just not here.
]
;B[kp]BL[2313.624]C[ZhiangT: You can make opponents dead group alive by throwing in
Petrosian [3k]: that's interesting
Petrosian [3k]: L4, i mean
fly [1k]: "angle wedge"!
Fantleroy [?]: I would have expected smth like m2
]
;W[ip]WL[1284.984]C[DapperDan [1d]: Complicated
]
;B[lq]BL[2296.859]C[Petrosian [3k]: ok i never would have considered j4
]
;W[cn]WL[1265.725]C[spacetime [4d]: L4 shows why I know nothing
]
;B[bo]BL[2283.365]C[dreamz [9d]: l4 is cool
Petrosian [3k]: makes me feel better if a 4d says that
Fantleroy [?]: ok guys, who do you prefer here ?
kmr [2d]: L4 might be not good move, but i am way too weak to judge, just might
randaoms: white
dreamz [9d]: prefer black
frankly: black
Petrosian [3k]: ya black
frozensoul [9d?]: the position is interesting
]
;W[dk]WL[1214.659]C[rubicon [3d]: i like b too
Petrosian [3k]: although b has to win ko in top right, don't know if that's easy or not
]
;B[bf]BL[2271.138]C[Petrosian [3k]: can anyone explain why b played B5?
fly [1k]: how much will it cost b to make that weak group safe?
kmr [2d]: to protect corner
Petrosian [3k]: rather than a simple c5 or c4?
Petrosian [3k]: or b4?
randaoms: it will cost 10
]
;W[bd]WL[1161.171]
;B[ci]BL[2267.678]C[Fantleroy [?]: maybe because f3 white next won't be very severe ?
]
;W[cj]WL[1142.547]
;B[di]BL[2264.516]
;W[fj]WL[1139.49]C[fly [1k]: w tries to give b two weak groups?
Fantleroy [?]: f10 was played in 3 seconds, wow
Petrosian [3k]: yeah
Petrosian [3k]: it is natural looking
frozensoul [9d?]: standard
Petrosian [3k]: but i probably would have missed it
randaoms: petrosian
randaoms: 99% of us would have
Fantleroy [?]: I would try to be extra careful about playing instantly moves i consider standard in a middle-game situation
dreamz [9d]: All the thinking for f10 probably came the move before
dreamz [9d]: since white knew black would extend after the kick
Fantleroy [?]: but for sure a 7p is not to be fooled like me
GodofGo [9d]: it's just standard pretty much..
frozensoul [9d?]: yea
frozensoul [9d?]: you kick to play this move
frozensoul [9d?]: if black was afraid he wouldnt have nobid
fly [1k]: Uh... *when* is it standard after the kick
Petrosian [3k]: it's v nice to split k10
]
;B[fh]BL[2104.218]C[Petrosian [3k]: honstely i'm not sure i've ever seen it quite like that
frozensoul [9d?]: variations similar to this are in quite a few games lol
frozensoul [9d?]: make black heavy then surround
frozensoul [9d?]: simple idea
fly [1k]: When w is setting up to attack a group to the right, or just to get out to the center?
Petrosian [3k]: yes, i like it very much, but it doesn't look standard to me.
]
;W[hi]WL[1095.78]
;B[ik]BL[2085.214]C[Fantleroy [?]: i hope w's next move is also a keima
Petrosian [3k]: k12?
Petrosian [3k]: g8?
Fantleroy [?]: any
Petrosian [3k]: i'm just going to list all the keima
Fantleroy [?]: no, please
Petrosian [3k]: e5?
Fantleroy [?]: that would be a lot of them
Petrosian [3k]: well, n2 doesn't count
Petrosian [3k]: not too many
Petrosian [3k]: g15
Fantleroy [?]: s1 does, though
Petrosian [3k]: that's not keima
Petrosian [3k]: you mean r1?
Fantleroy [?]: no, r3 to s1
fly [1k]: How will w continue?
Petrosian [3k]: we're doing this for w stones
]
;W[gg]WL[978.216]C[Petrosian [3k]: haha
Fantleroy [?]: ah, yes, for some reason i inverted colors
Fantleroy [?]: yes ! yes !!!
Petrosian [3k]: i didn't list that one though
]
;B[fg]BL[2061.786]C[Petrosian [3k]: more thorough next time
Petrosian [3k]: f14
]
;W[gf]WL[963.892]C[fly [1k]: w will build strength attacking this side then return to the center group?
]
;B[df]BL[2054.836]C[Sorry [8d]: appears to be his plan
Petrosian [3k]: which center group?
ZhiangT: which tournament is this?
Petrosian [3k]: d9?
Petrosian [3k]: Tianfu Cup Preliminary
Fantleroy [?]: the black group in the center
Petrosian [3k]: oh right
dreamz [9d]: must fix e9
Petrosian [3k]: d14 is alive?
ZhiangT: yes, i think
fly [1k]: fix it with f8?
]
;W[ki]WL[858.527]C[Petrosian [3k]: yes more keima
Petrosian [3k]: no.
dreamz [9d]: g8 or h9 is faster
frozensoul [9d?]: whites outside shape isnt really strong enough to kill
frozensoul [9d?]: so black should be fine
]
;B[kj]BL[2044.127]C[Petrosian [3k]: thats what i thought
frozensoul [9d?]: in similar situations, if you lean on the white group with the center black stones to get the middle healthy then white might have some ideas of attacking severely
frozensoul [9d?]: but atm prob not
Fantleroy [?]: what would be a satisfying way to protect e9 ?
Petrosian [3k]: then white would attack what?
fly [1k]: so... is the L10 group in trouble?
frozensoul [9d?]: the left
]
;W[ef]WL[772.162]C[GodofGo [9d]: w's gonna attack top first
dreamz [9d]: e9 lets go
GodofGo [9d]: yeah b's gotta counter
dreamz [9d]: this is tragic to play there while e9 is available
]
;B[eg]BL[2018.593]C[GodofGo [9d]: oof
GodofGo [9d]: h17
fly [1k]: h17? No, no; I've been told you can't attack that ponuki!
Fantleroy [?]: fake news, fly
Petrosian [3k]: h17??
]
;W[hc]WL[696.831]C[Petrosian [3k]: omg
Fantleroy [?]: good call
GodofGo [9d]: i mean.. he played e14 for a reason
ZhiangT: j17
dreamz [9d]: still e9
Fantleroy [?]: visual representation of a leaning attack
MagnusC [8d?]: Shape point also standard
dreamz [9d]: Just play e9 is my new motto
fly [1k]: No, really, a player I trusted claimed there was no point to attacking it!
GodofGo [9d]: is e9 really that big?
supernova [7d]: not at all
GodofGo [9d]: w can just ladder it now
]
;B[ic]BL[1945.89]C[dreamz [9d]: I would be happy to take c8
]
;W[id]WL[686.445]
;B[ib]BL[1940.531]C[Fantleroy [?]: but then, quite some trouble in the center, no ?
kmr [2d]: as black i would fear for L10 group for sure
Petrosian [3k]: h17 is just sente reduction?
dreamz [9d]: the black e13 group isn't alive yet
dreamz [9d]: so it's nice to get points while living with it
sh [5k]: What is the status of r19
Fantleroy [?]: egg is the status
Petrosian [3k]: b will have to kill eventually
ZhiangT: e13 not alive? how to kill?
]
;W[hl]WL[623.944]C[Fantleroy [?]: b can kill without ko in one move
GodofGo [9d]: called it
GodofGo [9d]: in my head
fly [1k]: w can make ko by s15?
]
;B[ng]BL[1927.128]C[Fantleroy [?]: w can force a ko whenever he wants
]
;W[nf]WL[612.506]C[Fantleroy [?]: that's cheating, godofgo
GodofGo [9d]: wanted to do this after n11 but w prob can't get away fully with n11 sente
UBIK [2k]: is b ahead?
dreamz [9d]: c13 c14 b11 b12 b10
Fantleroy [?]: on the board, most likely
Petrosian [3k]: as long as j9 lives b should be ok
randaoms: how can b be ahead off the board?
]
;B[lh]BL[1873.758]C[Jake [1k]: how solid is d4?
Petrosian [3k]: he stands up
Fantleroy [?]: ↑
Fantleroy [?]: also, he is ahead on the clock
MagnusC [8d?]: D4 isnt relevent atm
Jake [1k]: ok
Fantleroy [?]: what I meant is that, black has some issues with two groups and some ko aji, but otherwise he's ahead
Petrosian [3k]: maybe w is making ko threats?
fly [1k]: If he loses a big group, he is *not* ahead!
agcStupGod [9d]: obvious w is ahead
GodofGo [9d]: yeah c13 locally kills but prob wouldn't kill b
Fantleroy [?]: ko looks quite small at this stage
Fantleroy [?]: is that so, agc ?
]
;W[dr]WL[516.644]C[fly [1k]: lol
Sorry [8d]: lovely
Petrosian [3k]: ko will become big
Jake [1k]: not relevent???
]
;B[dq]BL[1854.1]C[Petrosian [3k]: i will never understand d2
Fantleroy [?]: why not ?
randaoms: petrosian, ko will become big only in like 40 moves
agcStupGod [9d]: and c13 cannot kill that group is alive....
]
;W[er]WL[501.297]C[randaoms: or even more
randaoms: i say 60 moves
justafool [1d]: lizzie likes white as two is to one
]
;B[cr]BL[1840.27]C[Sorry [8d]: c5 ?
Petrosian [3k]: 66%?
agcStupGod [9d]: b2 now for w
fly [1k]: "randaoms says: ko will start at move 160"
]
;W[br]WL[480.042]
;B[cs]BL[1830.523]C[randaoms: about that
kmr [2d]: so 58 moves to go
agcStupGod [9d]: then b3
agcStupGod [9d]: or c5
Sorry [8d]: now c5
GodofGo [9d]: c555
agcStupGod [9d]: either way
Petrosian [3k]: c5?
]
;W[co]WL[448.442]C[Petrosian [3k]: why?
Sorry [8d]: read a little bit
agcStupGod [9d]: common joseki
fly [1k]: Hey! It's like this is a pattern you strong players know!
Petrosian [3k]: is it just 1 eye now?
Petrosian [3k]: i've never seen this
agcStupGod [9d]: b is okay down there
agcStupGod [9d]: b3
]
;B[bq]BL[1788.726]C[randaoms: just lost many points
fly [1k]: Pet: you are 3k! That's why.
agcStupGod [9d]: c4 again
agcStupGod [9d]: and time to leave
]
;W[cp]WL[431.464]
;B[cq]BL[1787.782]
;W[bp]WL[421.321]C[MagnusC [8d?]: @randoms its not points if he could be taken lol
]
;B[gq]BL[1782.665]
;W[iq]WL[419.015]
;B[fp]BL[1772.905]
;W[jd]WL[410.992]C[Petrosian [3k]: is k16 sente?
randaoms: yes
dreamz [9d]: no
fly [1k]: else h17 is nasty
]
;B[jm]BL[1718.006]C[randaoms: haha
Petrosian [3k]: you mean h18?
dreamz [9d]: black is good to ignore
fly [1k]: y
GodofGo [9d]: it just has a big follow up but not fully sente
dreamz [9d]: l18 h16
]
;W[jp]WL[374.146]
;B[kq]BL[1715.248]C[fly [1k]: then k18?
Fantleroy [?]: l18 h16 l17
Fantleroy [?]: looks pretty painful
UBIK [2k]: noob question: isnt r2 big?
Sorry [8d]: yes, large endgame
randaoms: it is
Sorry [8d]: very large
Fantleroy [?]: it is a huge endgame
Petrosian [3k]: well considering L10 isn't alive, it's still small
randaoms: they just got no time to play
Fantleroy [?]: like , at least "wow that is a lot of points" points worth
UBIK [2k]: thx
Petrosian [3k]: also the L18 sequence seems bigger
randaoms: h16 protects against l18
ZhiangT: @dreamz: c13 b13 c14 c12 c15 b10 b9 b11 a12 e10 e9 f11 is alive?
]
;W[hn]WL[270.252]C[randaoms: among many others, h6 is the kind of move i never think off
fly [1k]: Where will b make eyes for the center group?
]
;B[in]BL[1687.935]C[Petrosian [3k]: h6 looks very natural
Petrosian [3k]: also it's keima, so it's always good
Fantleroy [?]: ↑↑↑
Sorry [8d]: black is alive topside
GodofGo [9d]: c13 just c14
MagnusC [8d?]: Funny ive died with keimas before :/ lol
ZhiangT: c13 c14 b11 b12 b10 is locally 1 eye?
randaoms: j6 is good
]
;W[ho]WL[169.046]
;B[bi]BL[1686.612]C[Petrosian [3k]: there you go zhiang
Sorry [8d]: he loves his points
Sorry [8d]: no, it was seki life.
GodofGo [9d]: this is huge
Sorry [8d]: black could have e11 after your sequence for seki
Sorry [8d]: but this is huge points wise
]
;W[mq]WL[133.432]C[fly [1k]: wow
Sorry [8d]: trying to get k2 ?
fly [1k]: to fix the aji
Petrosian [3k]: so Andy needs some magic now to save l10
Petrosian [3k]: L10
GodofGo [9d]: definitely k2 next
Sorry [8d]: yes, nice endgame sequence
Petrosian [3k]: serious?
fly [1k]: ...to attack the center?
]
;B[mp]BL[1563.71]
;W[lo]WL[128.67]
;B[mr]BL[1561.935]C[GodofGo [9d]: ok..
]
;W[mk]WL[115.98]C[GodofGo [9d]: it's still good enough
Sorry [8d]: ah, apologize
kmr [2d]: time to kill

]
;B[ih]BL[1534.261]C[Petrosian [3k]: kill w kill
]
;W[kh]WL[96.157]C[fly [1k]: w has time trouble for this difficult attack?
]
;B[kg]BL[1494.572]C[dreamz [9d]: No killing here only points
]
;W[jg]WL[86.211]C[Petrosian [3k]: oh wow, who would hae expected Andy to have 25 minutes more than his opponent?
]
;B[jh]BL[1473.159]C[dreamz [9d]: at the same time black can't win by just living, he has to make enough points at the same time
]
;W[lg]WL[78.399]
;B[kf]BL[1472.241]
;W[li]WL[69.565]C[Sorry [8d]: eh?
GodofGo [9d]: oof
]
;B[mj]BL[1465.842]C[GodofGo [9d]: rip
GodofGo [9d]: not dead* but still
kmr [2d]: but...how no killing?!This game without killing is like war without battles
Petrosian [3k]: will j14 work?
]
;W[jf]WL[45.488]
;B[le]BL[1464.814]
;W[mh]WL[43.351]
;B[if]BL[1461.013]C[Petrosian [3k]: i guess not
randaoms: oh
]
;W[je]WL[23.93]C[GodofGo [9d]: w needs to be careful here..
Petrosian [3k]: will we finally see e9?
]
;B[hk]BL[1447.284]C[dreamz [9d]: There might be killing after all
Petrosian [3k]: someone will die
kmr [2d]: sure thing, killing is essential

GodofGo [9d]: let's see here how badly w wants to kill..
GodofGo [9d]: he shouldn't go for it imo lol doesn't need to
fly [1k]: w kills, w wins?
]
;W[gl]WL[30]OW[9]C[Sorry [8d]: of course-
fly [1k]: Oh? w is ahead?
kmr [2d]: i guess Minjiu would be just happpy with win on poinst, his ego does not need kill, mine need
randaoms: to not touch h16 is convenient for both haha
AlphaG0 [-]: my ego is bigger than your ego
rubicon [3d]: b looks ahead to me
]
;B[gj]BL[1396.171]C[spacetime [4d]: B dead?
]
;W[gi]WL[30]OW[9]C[rubicon [3d]: if it all lives, that is
Petrosian [3k]: b just connected?
]
;B[ig]BL[1385.094]C[rubicon [3d]: im just talking about points, not life&death ^^
]
;W[he]WL[30]OW[9]
;B[gd]BL[1373.539]
;W[hd]WL[30]OW[9]
;B[fi]BL[1357.898]
;W[hb]WL[30]OW[9]C[cloudnotes [-]: thanks
mingjiu [7p]: thx
Sorry [8d]: gg
kmr [2d]: so, afterall - no ko!
rubicon [3d]: oh, this kills the top
AGATD [-]: Congratulations to Ming-jiu Jiang 7P, who, along with Eric Lui 1P will be the North American representatives to the Tianfu Cup!
AGATD [-]: Thanks to all the participants who have played this week: Dalhoon Ahn 9P, Feng Yun 9P, Ming-jiu Jiang 7P, Andy Liu 1P, Eric Lui 1P, Huiren Yang 1P, Ryan Li 1P, and Stephanie Yin 1P.
fly [1k]: When is that?
kmr [2d]: damn, that game was thrilling, gg
Jake [1k]: gg
fly [1k]: Thanks AGATD!
AGATD [-]: It's the end of September in China.
AGATD [-]: This is Tournament Director Jeff Shaevel, signing off.

lonepeak: i was for cloud, sad he lost(
Petrosian [3k]: yeah i guess this is too painful
Petrosian [3k]: or maybe just dead
kmr [2d]: i wonder where Leela points worst move by black, i still dont like L4
lonepeak: b invastion in the left side seems very bad
kmr [2d]: you mean B14-C11?yeah that looks suspicous, but what instead?
lonepeak: bot move mb to the d9 stone=)
lonepeak: after f10 - black was behind enemy line
Lsugyen [5d?]: yes Mingjiu!
])