It is currently Sun May 18, 2025 8:46 am

View unanswered posts | View active topics View unread posts | View new posts | View your posts


Board index » L19²GO (Malkovich) » Big Brother Malkovich games

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]



Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 14 of 38
  [ 754 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 ... 38  Next
  Print view Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #261 Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:42 pm 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 2060
Location: Texas
Liked others: 546
Was liked: 173
Rank: KGS 3k
GD Posts: 264
KGS: Chew
Okay, I've looked a while more, and I think the better followup will be a simpler one-point jump to M10. I DO like the idea of being more aggressive and fast, but I think that our top group is safe enough that we can afford to do a move that only looks after this group. That way, this group is at less risk, and we do threaten to enclose them if they tenuki. Regardless, I stopped looking at the followup because I think regardless I will want to have this peep first.

_________________
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #262 Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:04 pm 
Judan
User avatar

Posts: 5546
Location: Banbeck Vale
Liked others: 1104
Was liked: 1457
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
I do not approve of getting us killed. :mrgreen:


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 68B W35 B 32
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . W . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In my previous post I noted that :b1: kills us after younger brother's suggested peep. After a few seconds of reflection, I realized that it kills us after almost any move. Our center group has become too big to lose. ( Tell me again, Shapenaji, why did we start this group? :D ) We have to make some kind of running or fighting move to save our center group.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 68B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O 1 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 68B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . W . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


...because it is a vitually unbreakable connection to get us out, and it threatens black's group, leading to something like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 68B 'A' and 'b' are miai
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . W . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . a X b . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
Help make L19 more organized. Make an index: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5207
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline shapenaji
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #263 Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:55 pm 
Lives in sente
User avatar

Posts: 1103
Location: Netherlands
Liked others: 408
Was liked: 422
Rank: EGF 4d
GD Posts: 952
Approved.
Let weak walk along weak

_________________
Tactics yes, Tact no...
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Numsgil
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #264 Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:18 pm 
Lives in gote
User avatar

Posts: 614
Liked others: 28
Was liked: 65
Rank: 1 Kyu KGS
KGS: Numsgil
shapenaji wrote:
Approved.
Let weak walk along weak


Hey shapenaji:
That's not a phrase/proverb I've heard before. There's also not a lot of references to it online.

Care to expand? Like presumably you mean that weak groups should escape enclosure by pressuring other weak groups to gain tempo. I'm just wondering if there's a whole iceberg of knowledge with the phrase/proverb acting as a mnemonic device. On a larger scale I'm roughly familiar with attack and defense and running, but it would be interesting to have your take on, say, the current board position here, since there's a lot going on with strong and weak groups and running.

_________________
1k KGS
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Gresil
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #265 Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:05 am 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 206
Location: Finland
Liked others: 29
Was liked: 9
Rank: mid-SDK
GD Posts: 495
KGS: Gresil
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 69A W35 B 32
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have the same two options I considered at my previous move—I have to push through the gap.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 69A W35 B 32
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . 1 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . 3 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . 5 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O 6 . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]





Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 69A W35 B 32
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X 9 O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . 3 2 0 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X 4 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . 5 7 8 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O 6 O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 69A W35 B 32
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . 2 1 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't know if I can come out ahead from the latter. To tell you the truth, I don't even know if I can come out ahead from the former, but of the two alternatives it's the less double-or-nothingy.

_________________
So you've got an eye?
That don't impress me much
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #266 Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:33 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4511
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1589
Was liked: 656
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Approved.

Yep that's what I was thinking too. Not sure if it is better, but contacts are often more severe when wanting to attack both sides, and this leaves some useful cutting points afterwards - I'm getting a bit more optimistic for Black than I was 10 moves ago :)
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #267 Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:49 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4844
Location: Mechanicsburg, PA
Liked others: 62
Was liked: 505
Rank: Wbaduk 7D
KGS: magicwand
Tygem: magicwand
Wbaduk: rlatkfkd
DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
for the observers
and players at the end of the game.
it is not really a big deal but...it can be.
1 and 2 exchange timing perfect for black.
for you to be a stronger player you must read such suttle moves that will give you an edge. always ask yourself "is there's any moves that i can play that before i play that move that will give me an advantage?".

at this stage of the game white must answer :w2: but later he might not.
and you might lose that timing.

that exchange will guarantees 1 eye from the top.
that eye might be what you need to survive.

if you can read that deep you will be a strong dan.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 69A W35 B 32
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 2 O 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown"
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Violence
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #268 Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:27 am 
Lives in sente

Posts: 754
Liked others: 9
Was liked: 144
Rank: Something Dan
GD Posts: 720
From my phone: Approved.

Thank you for making this easy.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #269 Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:35 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 2060
Location: Texas
Liked others: 546
Was liked: 173
Rank: KGS 3k
GD Posts: 264
KGS: Chew
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 70A W35 B 32
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X W . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Ko?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . 8 7 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X 5 O 1 3 X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . 4 X W . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Okay, my first instinct was to look at the crosscut. If we can manage it, I think we'll get more for it. I read and read, and got to this ko variation, which scared me. It seems like an awfully large bet on ko. However, I think we have more ko threats, as we can directly threaten the life of the group in the top left and the middle, as well as threatening to take the top right, which would also settle our weak group. So perhaps we don't need to fear this ko, since we can benefit so much from it. Let's see what I can find if black avoids ko.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc If not ko?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X 6 O 1 3 X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O a 8 4 X W . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . 9 X 7 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If black avoids ko, I think I see different ways for us to connect. They are risky, and awfully close, but I think we can manage it. Playing anything besides the crosscut is more safe for the top group's liberties, but is more likely to end cut off, small, and possibly in danger. I'm going to go with the crosscut, scary as it is.

Sorry gents, have to go with my reading.

_________________
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #270 Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:32 pm 
Judan
User avatar

Posts: 5546
Location: Banbeck Vale
Liked others: 1104
Was liked: 1457
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
I approve.

Actually, I think we need not worry about the crosscut.
I don't think that they will try it, as a small quick fight there relieves the tension for us, and it is in their interests to maintain tension when we have two eyeless groups and they have one.

_________________
Help make L19 more organized. Make an index: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5207
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Gresil
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #271 Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:19 pm 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 206
Location: Finland
Liked others: 29
Was liked: 9
Rank: mid-SDK
GD Posts: 495
KGS: Gresil
I'm unlikely to drop by again before Tuesday, so here's a trigger. If Shape and Aji approve,

I extend to N12.

_________________
So you've got an eye?
That don't impress me much
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline shapenaji
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #272 Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:04 am 
Lives in sente
User avatar

Posts: 1103
Location: Netherlands
Liked others: 408
Was liked: 422
Rank: EGF 4d
GD Posts: 952
Numsgil wrote:
shapenaji wrote:
Approved.
Let weak walk along weak


Hey shapenaji:
That's not a phrase/proverb I've heard before. There's also not a lot of references to it online.

Care to expand? Like presumably you mean that weak groups should escape enclosure by pressuring other weak groups to gain tempo. I'm just wondering if there's a whole iceberg of knowledge with the phrase/proverb acting as a mnemonic device. On a larger scale I'm roughly familiar with attack and defense and running, but it would be interesting to have your take on, say, the current board position here, since there's a lot going on with strong and weak groups and running.


It's a Korean proverb, the basic idea is that weak groups balance each other, in this case they pushed us over their group, forcing their group to come out as well. Had their group been strong, they could have continued pushing from the outside. But they have to take a bunch of extra measures so as not to get cut off.

As far as what I think of the position, I'm worried that we'll end up building their right side... We really want to get a move over there, and if we do, the balance of territory should favor us.

_________________
Tactics yes, Tact no...
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline shapenaji
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #273 Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:06 am 
Lives in sente
User avatar

Posts: 1103
Location: Netherlands
Liked others: 408
Was liked: 422
Rank: EGF 4d
GD Posts: 952
Approved.
I can't really see any reason why you wouldn't get this move in... if they don't solidly extend now, we get tons of forcing moves

_________________
Tactics yes, Tact no...
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #274 Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:29 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4511
Location: Chatteris, UK
Liked others: 1589
Was liked: 656
Rank: Nebulous
GD Posts: 918
KGS: topazg
Gresil's trigger is approved ...
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #275 Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:07 pm 
Judan
User avatar

Posts: 5546
Location: Banbeck Vale
Liked others: 1104
Was liked: 1457
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
Just to make sure that everybody is on the same page, the position is this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 70 W35 B 32
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


...and we are waiting for Violence to express an opinion on the marked stone.

_________________
Help make L19 more organized. Make an index: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5207
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Violence
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #276 Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:48 am 
Lives in sente

Posts: 754
Liked others: 9
Was liked: 144
Rank: Something Dan
GD Posts: 720
Approved.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #277 Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:25 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 2060
Location: Texas
Liked others: 546
Was liked: 173
Rank: KGS 3k
GD Posts: 264
KGS: Chew
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 72A W35 B 32
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . W X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I know it tends to be bad form to touch weak groups, but the group I'm touching is not weak. I was trying to find a sente way to reinforce connection and buy eyeshape, and this is the best I could find. I wanted to jump from the south group, but I'm not sure we should leave this group alone, yet. Black's group doesn't gain too much from defending, so hopefully it's not dreadfully aji-keshi. I'm tempted to jump down from this group next, to try to engulf the black group, but I'm skeptical as to whether or not it would work. More reading...

_________________
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #278 Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:02 pm 
Judan
User avatar

Posts: 5546
Location: Banbeck Vale
Liked others: 1104
Was liked: 1457
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
I don't approve.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 72B W35 B 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . C X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't like this continuation. Everybody runs: black makes territory, white does not.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 72A W35 B 32
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . W X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . 2 5 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O 3 . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The keima from R16 to Q14 has a weakness, and if we encourage black to play :b1: above, that weakness disappears.

I'm looking at the following possibilities:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X 4 6 . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O 2 X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . 1 W 5 . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X 3 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


or...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X 3 . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O 2 X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . 1 W . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . 4 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
Help make L19 more organized. Make an index: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5207
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline shapenaji
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #279 Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:25 am 
Lives in sente
User avatar

Posts: 1103
Location: Netherlands
Liked others: 408
Was liked: 422
Rank: EGF 4d
GD Posts: 952
Approved.

Sorry for the delay everyone.

_________________
Tactics yes, Tact no...
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #280 Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:51 am 
Judan
User avatar

Posts: 5546
Location: Banbeck Vale
Liked others: 1104
Was liked: 1457
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
shapenaji wrote:

Sorry for the delay everyone.



No problem. So you made it to Oregon ok?

_________________
Help make L19 more organized. Make an index: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5207
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 14 of 38
  [ 754 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 ... 38  Next

Board index » L19²GO (Malkovich) » Big Brother Malkovich games

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group