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Offline shapenaji
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #301 Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:56 pm 
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Really the only move to play, anything else makes the previous move meaningless

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Post #302 Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:57 am 
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[go]$$Bc 75A W35 B 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X 1 . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The only other moves I can imagine, Q18 and S16, don't seem to do any good. As for this move, I can only read this far:

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[go]$$Bc 75A W35 B 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X 1 . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X 4 . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X 2 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Watching the Q13 cut and keeping the top right alive will be challenging. I suppose :b3: could be somewhere else, but I'll consider that at my next move.

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Offline daniel_the_smith
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #303 Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:00 pm 
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Actually I don't like this move at all, but I can't think of a better one.

I almost changed it to this, but this doesn't help a whole lot and gives white a free atari. We're going to have a big mess.

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[go]$$Bc 75A W35 B 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . 1 . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


Gresil's expected continuation isn't right.

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[go]$$Bc 75A W35 B 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X 1 . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X 4 . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X 2 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . . 3 5 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


4 should be at 5, clearly. Maybe 3 should just extend. I think Violence will end up correcting a move soon. :-?

Q18 is nonsensical, I don't know why Gresil considered it. :)

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Offline Violence
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #304 Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:37 pm 
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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #305 Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:18 am 
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[go]$$Bc 75A W35 B 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . W . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I am not at all certain that this is correct. However, this looks like the best we can get out of it. This links back to the group, to the best of my reading, and threatens nasty followups, making it sente. This should result in helping our group live on its own.

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[go]$$Bc 75A W35 B 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X 1 . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O a . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X b . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I considered 'a' and 'b', but they do not seem to quite work on their own. If they don't work on their own, they're just forcing black to extend their group downwards, better sealing us in. 'a' is tempting, but I can't quite tell if i tbuys us anything.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #306 Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:06 am 
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Great move! I approve.

The whole point of this tesuji was to force black to go one line lower.
Now if we run southward together, any territory that black gets is third line territory, not fourth. Also, if both of our groups have to run, they are one stone further apart, and splitting attacks are slightly less dangerous.

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Offline shapenaji
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Post #307 Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:17 pm 
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Offline Gresil
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Post #308 Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:57 pm 
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[go]$$Bc 75A W35 B 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X 1 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I see no reason to consider other moves. This secures the corner and gets under white's skirt.

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Offline daniel_the_smith
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #309 Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:01 pm 
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Not sure why Joaz likes that white move so much. Now black's corner has no aji and we have a weak group between two opponent's weak groups. I think that favors us.

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Post #310 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:07 pm 
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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #311 Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:28 pm 
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[go]$$Bc 76A W35 B 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . W X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This seems the logical followup to the previous move. It prevents some nastiness from a potential cut at O14, stabilizes our group a little more, and reduces the liberties on Q14. If black tenukis, we can enclose their weak group, potentially killing it (or making it try to live on the top). Therefore, I expect black will play another splitting play. P15 is becoming a helpful move for us, and it makes R13 sente. S15 could eventually become useful for us in the future, to get more plays on the right side. The alternative to this play is to ignore the threat of the cut and extend southwards, sacrificing N14 if we are cut. However, I think that we are safer this way, though the attack will continue.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #312 Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:40 pm 
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I very slightly disapprove - just enough to change it.

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[go]$$Bc 76B W35 B 36
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X W O . C X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


While younger brother's move is not bad, it is slow. I don't think that we have time for it.
The cut at O14 is indeed a concern, but we can fix that with the dual-sente move of M14.

If we just passively protect, they can make good shape in sente and force us into over-concentration:

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . 2 . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X 1 O . W X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


...so we should take the dual-sente move first.

Attempts to hurt us don't work:

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[go]$$Bc 76B W35 B 36
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X W O 2 1 X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O 3 O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc 76B W35 B 36
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . 3 4 X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X W O 1 2 X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #313 Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:36 am 
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I'm rather amused Joaz hasn't looked for Black responses that give sente against the middle group to carry on the attack on the right side. I prefer Chew's move to Joaz's here.
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Post #314 Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:02 pm 
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Offline Gresil
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #315 Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:16 am 
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[go]$$Bc 77A W35 B 36
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . B X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This will follow:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . 2 1 X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O 3 O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Further comments:
White's move was very nifty. It steals an eye and threatens to cut. Since the N12 stones are not only valuable cutting stones but the black group's only headway out of its bag-end, I can't give them up so must connect. There are several options, of which I seriously considered the following five:

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[go]$$Bc 77A W35 B 36
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O a . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . b X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . c d . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O e O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



A was initially the most attractive as it gives eye potential but it in fact isn't a connection:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O 6 5 X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O X 3 1 X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O 4 X 2 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


B and C don't look special. I spend aji with a peep, white blocks, I move on to O12. I could pick one of those.

D seems terrible:

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[go]$$Bc 77A W35 B 36
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . 5 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O 3 O 2 . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . 6 4 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Here white has the ladder and black is shut in with scarcely room for two eyes.

Option E looks fun, but variations are too many for me to deal with. Topmost of my worries is that white may wedge at L13. So I combine it with B.

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Offline Gresil
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #316 Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:21 am 
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Actually, :b3: in my continuation may be O12, or something else, and keep the wedge for later. I'll look at it closer after the next move.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #317 Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:07 pm 
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I do hope that Daniel approves this. There are so many interesting possibilities once we become stronger with J12.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . 9 X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 1 2 8 W B X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 3 5 6 O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X 4 X 7 . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X 6 X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . 5 . O . . X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 1 2 . W B X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . 3 4 . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X 7 X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O 8 . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


These are just examples. I haven't read out all of them, but the aji is great for us.

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Offline daniel_the_smith
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #318 Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:54 am 
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...grudgingly. It gives white the option to sack his tail like this. I'm not sure how I feel about this. I don't think I would play this way, but it might be OK, esp. if we do something worthwhile with our sente.

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[go]$$Bc 77A W35 B 36
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . 3 |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . 0 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O 9 8 X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X a O 7 6 4 X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . 2 1 X 5 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #319 Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:38 pm 
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Now the reading begins.
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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #320 Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:42 pm 
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[go]$$Bc 78A W35 B 36
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . W X X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sometimes, simplest really is best. We could try to do something trickier, but most things that try to connect in sente seem to either not work, or force black to strengthen themselves, which isn't worth the cost. Let's stick to the simple, safe, and correct.

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