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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #321 Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:07 pm 
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I approve.

The last three moves strengthened two of our groups and only slightly improved black's iffy connection.
That black group in the middle is looking like swiss cheese.

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Offline shapenaji
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #322 Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:44 am 
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Simple is best, overcomplicated defenses, while sometimes correct, are more often just inflexible... Playing a simple defense often offers the most chances to counterattack.

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Post #323 Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:41 am 
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Sorry it's taking so long. I had just about the busiest work week of my life this week.

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[go]$$Bc 78A W35 B 36
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X B . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I think this is the right way to proceed. The top right white group is a bit cramped there but I'll have my head out in the open.


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[go]$$Bc 78A W35 B 36
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O 2 O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . 3 . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline daniel_the_smith
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #324 Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:52 am 
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Approved.

This seems reasonable.

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Post #325 Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:55 pm 
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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #326 Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:36 pm 
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[go]$$Bc 80A W35 B 36
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O W O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Okay, so my first, second, and third thought was P14. However, while that is the only other move that seems to defend both cutting points adequately, it has downsides. In exchange for defending SLIGHTLY more eyespace around O14 if we also later block at P15 in gote, black could almost seal our group in from the bottom in sente, with peeps and such. This gives us much better access to the bottom (which also preserves more threat against the black group), so I choose it.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #327 Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:38 pm 
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Post #328 Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:30 pm 
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[go]$$Wc 80A W35 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . W X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is the best time to take this, we want to force them to a choice right now, and then decide how to proceed on the right

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[go]$$Wc 80A W35 B 36
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X 4 O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X 3 2 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . 1 X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . 5 X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OR

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[go]$$Wc 80A W35 B 36
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X 4 X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X 3 . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O 2 1 X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X 5 O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OR
EDIT: Missed the obvious move in this last one :)
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[go]$$Wc 80A W35 B 36
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X 2 a . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O 3 1 X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . b . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

a and b are miai

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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #329 Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:39 pm 
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[go]$$Wc 80A W35 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . 2 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O 6 1 X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O 4 3 5 X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X 7 X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . 9 8 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Could he be aiming at something like this? I'll have to look at the current board position further to try to cipher the game plan...

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Post #330 Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:14 am 
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[go]$$Wc 81A W35 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I'd been thinking this is going too well for black...

Can I save the top black group in sente?

First, it lives on its own if J19 is, as I suppose, forcing:

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[go]$$Bc 81A W35 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 2 O 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . 4 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


With :b3: black has two eyes guaranteed, I'm quite confident. But does it force :w4:? If it does, fab: I can tenuki to rescue the center group. But if it doesn't, I might as well do this:



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[go]$$Bc 81A W35 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . 1 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O 3 O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X 5 O 4 2 . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . g o t e . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But the first option at least has a chance of being sente, is more interesting and is also, I expect, less damaging to my four-wind-sheeted center grouplet.

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Post #331 Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:56 am 
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[go]$$Wc 80A W35 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . W X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
...


I've been wanting to do that. I thought that it was best to get guaranteed access to running room on the right side first. It feels premature to me.

The particular problem that bothers me is this:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . B . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . W X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

After the marked black stone is played in response to the marked white stone, then this sequence becomes a problem:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O 3 . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O 1 . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O 2 O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #332 Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:42 pm 
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[go]$$Wc 81A W37 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O C . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . B . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Gresil wants this, which I think is awful:
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[go]$$Bc 81A W35 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 2 O 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . 4 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White is all connected and we have a weak, heavy group.

I want this:
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[go]$$Bc 81A W35 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . 1 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O 5 O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O 3 2 4 X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White has a choice. We either connect everything, or save most of our group while catching four stones. If the latter, there's only three stones of ours left hanging and those are a lot easier to let go. I'm still not in love with this, white's last move was really good.

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Post #334 Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:08 am 
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[go]$$Wc 82A W37 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . W . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc 80A W35 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . 2 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O 6 1 X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O 4 3 5 X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X 7 X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . 9 8 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Okay, this is what I had looked at before.
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[go]$$Wc 80A W35 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . 2 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O 8 1 X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O 4 3 5 X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X 7 X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . 6 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Both of these variations seem to buy our groups stability at the cost of letting black take the four stones at H14 in later gote. I am wondering if we could slide in F14 and F13 in sente before we burn that aji to reduce/eliminate that option.

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[go]$$Wc 80A W35 B 40
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X 3 O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X 4 2 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . 1 X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Alternatively, we could burn our cutting aji to make better shape and eyespace on top. If the cutting sequences are unfavorable, this is probably our best bet.

Okay, I've thought about this for a while, and don't think I'm going to have any brilliant eureka moments. I like the cutting variations, so I think I'm going to give it a shot. Hope you guys forgive me for playing so aggressively!

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #335 Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:21 pm 
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I disapprove.

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[go]$$Wc 82B W37 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X W X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . C . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I see no point in going into a sequence in which black is allowed to play J14 without having paid for the privilege by playing J16 first. I like that cutting stone at G16.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X W X . X . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X 1 X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . C . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now we have both 'a' and 'b' threatened. And 'c' is no longer a dual threat for black.

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[go]$$Wc 82B W37 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X a O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X W X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O c . b X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think that the best that black can hope for is this:

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[go]$$Wc 82B W37 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X 2 O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X 1 X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . 4 3 X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X 5 X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . 6 8 9 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O 7 O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...where I think we give black life with small territory up top in return for game-winning influence on the right.


BTW, I still think that this whole bloody mess is premature. We didn't make a fist before striking. I would prefer a position like this:

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[go]$$Wc 82B W37 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X 2 O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X 1 X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . 4 3 X O @ O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X 5 X X # . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . 6 8 9 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O 7 O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #336 Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:31 am 
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Post #337 Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:12 am 
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[go]$$Wc 83A W37 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X B O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . O . . . |
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$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


No other move makes a whelk's sense in a supernova to me.

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$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . W X O . O . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Okay, the best that I can figure out is that my partners want to play for a cut this way. I'm concerned, though, because it seems like our last move pushed black to defend, weakening our top group. I don't know if we have the stability to play the cut. And I'm not certain that this is, in fact, the plan my partners want me to carry out. However, it's this or make a defensive move, and Joaz's last move seems to be anything but defensive. This seems fairly sente, because of the threat of M12, so we may be able to get it off safely. I should have avoided such complicated situations. Gresil is keeping up well enough, it seems.

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