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Offline joppon
 Post subject: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #1 Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:49 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Last edited by joppon on Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #2 Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:54 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here goes another game. Good luck to you, my opponent!

The theory is that joppon is weaker than I am. These games are supposed to be learning tools, so my plan for this game is to play simple, punish mistakes to the best of my ability, and avoid trick plays. I guess I'm going to be relying on my reading again. :)
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Offline joppon
 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #3 Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:02 pm 
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I forgot to say:

komi: 6.5
Japanese scoring


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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Have a good game Marcus.



The (first few moves of the) mini chinese is the onnly fuseki I know. So no deep thoughts yet.
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Offline EdLee
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joppon & Marcus, good game.
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joppon,
joppon wrote:
The (first few moves of the) mini chinese is the onnly fuseki I know.
Surely you know the all-star-point openings. :)
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #6 Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:26 pm 
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Go Diagram
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


EDIT: :) Fixed the diagram.

I've never tried this opening. In theory, this stone will provide a small amount of support for approaching the 3-4 in the lower right.


Last edited by Marcus on Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Offline EdLee
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Marcus, all the extra spaces before each of the $$ are messing up your diagram.
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Offline joppon
 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #8 Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:52 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

EdLee wrote
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joppon wrote:
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The (first few moves of the) mini chinese is the onnly fuseki I know.

Surely you know the all-star-point openings. :)


Of course I do. I know ... the (first few moves) of the all-star-point openings.

Besides, Magicwand once wrote that at our level fuseki is not that important. And let me tell you, he's absolutely correct. ;-)

Now, since I can't play F3, I'll take some territory. I also considered D15. But it doesn't really matter, to me, which one I choose.
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Offline Laman
 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #9 Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:36 am 
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Marcus:
thumbs up, i like this style of opening and it is rare to see


observers:
though i guess i wouldn't play it here, because it pushes black to play the shimari he indeed played and then it is a bit hard to use influence of the white mokuhazushi

maybe just answer with a white shimari?

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Spilling gasoline feels good.

I might be wrong, but probably not.
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #10 Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:40 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , 6 . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Laman:
Glad you like it! I'm deep into an experimental phase of my Go, so this was something I wanted to try.


Perhaps I've been conditioned to see things like this, but I feel like there's no other alternative here except to play the wedge here, at least if I want to avoid a huge Black moyo. :)
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Offline joppon
 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #11 Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:22 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #12 Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:58 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Even after using this so often, I'm still not great at dealing with all the variations that can occur. Let's see what MHO chooses to do.
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 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #13 Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:40 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #14 Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:36 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 0 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


An interesting choice by my opponent. I feel comfortable leaving the upper left alone for now, in exchange for getting to attack the upper right more severely. My opponent has chosen to make this game more complicated. Let's see how he does with this ...
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 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #15 Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:01 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I can't think of many moves that white could play that won't result in a fight in the top right corner.

Which is just the way I like it.
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Offline Marcus
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Post #16 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:27 pm 
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This will take some thought. :)
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Post #17 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:08 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This seems like my best choice.
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Offline joppon
 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #18 Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:09 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


3-3 was inevitable, I suppose.

Variations
diag 1a
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 5 . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 4 O . X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . 6 3 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 8 7 0 . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Diag 1b
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O 2 3 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . 4 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 9 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . 0 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Diag 1c
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O O 7 X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O X X 6 3 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black cannot live.


Diag 2
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 5 . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 4 O . X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . 6 3 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 8 7 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black intends to kill white's group at the top.
And 'a' is a good pt for black to start attacking.

Diag 3
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 5 . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 4 . O . X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . 6 3 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 8 7 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Diag 4
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 8 O . X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 7 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 0 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 5 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black at 'a'.
This kind of running battle is something I'm used to. But I would like to put white under far more pressure than I can here.
And I don't like white's potential up top either.

Diag 5
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . f . . . . . 2 O . . |
$$ | . . . , . d . . . e . . . O . X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 5 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . 4 7 0 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . c , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

B then plays 'a', W 'b or c' and then B 'd, e or f'. This looks OK to me but it's not my style.
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Post #19 Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:37 pm 
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A more likely sequence than in my last post
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 5 . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 4 O . X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . 6 3 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 8 7 0 . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 7 . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 3 5 O O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 4 6 O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . . a . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


'a' or 'b' instead of 7?
The entire sequence is unlikely anyway.
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Post #20 Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:00 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Again, the only move I can make. Just waiting for my chance to tenuki. :)
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