I won against Chew Terr.
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[2400]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
PW[oren]PB[Chew]WR[5k]BR[3k]DT[2011-08-26]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[oren [5k?]: have a good game
Chew [3k]: Thank you, and enjoy the game
]RE[W+13.50]
;B[pd]BL[2369.419]
;W[dc]WL[2391.951]
;B[dp]BL[2343.756]
;W[pp]WL[2385.488]
;B[de]BL[2327.851]
;W[ce]WL[2380.265]
;B[cf]BL[2319.819]
;W[cd]WL[2377.656]
;B[df]BL[2304.553]
;W[fc]WL[2375.691]C[Rawar4me [9k]: go chew
]
;B[cj]BL[2269.583]C[Rawar4me [9k]: hey Kat hows that beer
]
;W[fq]WL[2367.325]C[katamaran [?]: nice and belgummy
Rawar4me [9k]: lol
]
;B[hq]BL[2218.07]
;W[cq]WL[2362.014]
;B[cp]BL[2208.084]
;W[dq]WL[2359.833]C[Chew [3k]: Hmmm, lot of lag tonight
Chew [3k]: On my end, at least
Rawar4me [9k]: he just told me never to do that
]
;B[ep]BL[2193.368]
;W[fp]WL[2355.31]
;B[eq]BL[2184.155]
;W[er]WL[2353.779]
;B[dr]BL[2167.91]
;W[fr]WL[2268.225]
;B[cr]BL[2165.569]
;W[fn]WL[2260.933]C[CSamurai [4k]: Why does Oren have White?
Rawar4me [9k]: i wondered the same thing
]
;B[qn]BL[2119.404]
;W[jq]WL[2246.389]
;B[nq]BL[2102.878]
;W[pn]WL[2239.811]C[oren [5k?]: seems ok to e
oren [5k?]: me
oren [5k?]: I just have mental lag
Chew [3k]: Heh. Maybe I should stop streaming music
]
;B[qq]BL[2043.806]
;W[pq]WL[2235.996]C[katamaran [?]: I hope you only listen to eye of the tiger while playing
]
;B[pr]BL[2034.078]
;W[or]WL[2234.557]C[Rawar4me [9k]: lol
]
;B[qr]BL[2030.637]
;W[oq]WL[2233.333]
;B[qp]BL[2018.747]C[Rawar4me [9k]: he cant see what we wright till the end of the game bro
]
;W[qm]WL[2226.319]C[katamaran [?]: oh duh
]
;B[rn]BL[2002.32]C[Rawar4me [9k]: lol
Rawar4me [9k]: its the beer talking
]
;W[qf]WL[2213.899]C[katamaran [?]: I find the beer does a lot of talking for me
]
;B[pm]BL[1985.698]
;W[on]WL[2208.581]C[Rawar4me [9k]: so do you understand belgem??
katamaran [?]: only in the context of beers
]
;B[pl]BL[1928.056]
;W[nc]WL[2200.073]
;B[nd]BL[1921.213]
;W[md]WL[2197.641]C[Rawar4me [9k]: nice well understand that i do speak arogrant bastared so ....
]
;B[ne]BL[1917.715]
;W[qc]WL[2176.818]
;B[qd]BL[1871.234]
;W[pc]WL[2174.057]C[Rawar4me [9k]: =)
]
;B[me]BL[1858.348]
;W[rd]WL[2170.229]
;B[re]BL[1837.511]
;W[rc]WL[2167.491]
;B[qe]BL[1835.585]
;W[oh]WL[2151.31]
;B[qi]BL[1779.589]C[jtscarry [4k]: i've never seen the sequence in the lower left before -- is that a common joseki?
]
;W[pj]WL[2112.923]C[CSamurai [4k]: N17 is awesome.
CSamurai [4k]: And JTS, no.
CSamurai [4k]: Not at all.
CSamurai [4k]: There is some joseki there, until f4.
jtscarry [4k]: have you seen it before?
]
;B[qj]BL[1748.837]C[CSamurai [4k]: At which point it becomes advantageous to black.
]
;W[pk]WL[2086.166]C[CSamurai [4k]: Wait, lower left which.
]
;B[qk]BL[1732.086]
;W[ol]WL[2083.623]C[CSamurai [4k]: Oh.
CSamurai [4k]: The lower right?
]
;B[ql]BL[1727.589]
;W[om]WL[2079.249]
;B[mc]BL[1724.891]
;W[oc]WL[2076.529]
;B[ld]BL[1720.458]
;W[od]WL[2074.594]C[jtscarry [4k]: no lower left
]
;B[oe]BL[1717.815]
;W[pf]WL[2073.411]C[CSamurai [4k]: Lower left.
jtscarry [4k]: the one you were talking about
]
;B[pe]BL[1699.815]C[CSamurai [4k]: Yeah, that's a standard pincer joseki up until f4
CSamurai [4k]: F4 is a bit overplayish.
]
;W[pi]WL[2057.114]C[CSamurai [4k]: Chew demonstrates with the cut.
jtscarry [4k]: oh ok, it's good for *black*
CSamurai [4k]: Usually pushing at e3 is bad.
CSamurai [4k]: But if white plays f4 it can become good for black quickly.
CSamurai [4k]: White backed down fromm a complex fight with f2.
]
;B[jm]BL[1640.735]
;W[ej]WL[2052.353]C[jtscarry [4k]: i guess it's a big corner but... the wall is good for white
jtscarry [4k]: as things turned out
Rawar4me [9k]: yea i just had a traing game with him and he told me never to do that
CSamurai [4k]: h3 still has /lots/ of aji.
CSamurai [4k]: Playing G5, F5, J5 sequence makes the wall less cool.
jtscarry [4k]: i'm curious about what would happen if w invites b to cut the other way, though
]
;B[go]BL[1596.735]C[jtscarry [4k]: seems hard to manage both sides
]
;W[fo]WL[2043.313]
;B[lp]BL[1577.158]C[CSamurai [4k]: Black doesn't really need to manage both sides.
CSamurai [4k]: So much aji.
CSamurai [4k]: I'm loving this sequence of plays for black.
]
;W[jr]WL[2007.508]C[CSamurai [4k]: White gets to reduce black's side but black gets to wreck white's potential.
jtscarry [4k]: oh geez. can that be right?
CSamurai [4k]: Can what be right?
jtscarry [4k]: k2
CSamurai [4k]: Eh.
jtscarry [4k]: it seems awfully submissive
CSamurai [4k]: I'm not sure white cares about this one stone right now.
]
;B[nr]BL[1518.187]C[CSamurai [4k]: Bigger things on the board, like, j17
]
;W[os]WL[1996.258]C[jtscarry [4k]: hmm
CSamurai [4k]: Though, if white keeps playing blind, the wall on the right looks dangerously eyeless.
jtscarry [4k]: idk white gave up a lot of territory to get the f and p file walls
]
;B[iq]BL[1491.646]C[jtscarry [4k]: he needs to play aggressively to make that back
]
;W[is]WL[1965.52]C[jtscarry [4k]: nooooooooo
]
;B[jp]BL[1464.432]
;W[kp]WL[1958.534]C[Rawar4me [9k]: =)
jtscarry [4k]: i guess this could work...
]
;B[ko]BL[1398.356]
;W[kq]WL[1953.404]C[CSamurai [4k]: I think wblack's fine with m5.
CSamurai [4k]: Haven't read close enough to be certain..
]
;B[io]BL[1353.373]
;W[lo]WL[1949.051]C[CSamurai [4k]: Or that. Can go with that..
]
;B[ln]BL[1292.772]
;W[mo]WL[1946.759]
;B[jn]BL[1217.059]
;W[ck]WL[1937.104]
;B[dk]BL[1144.282]
;W[dj]WL[1932.688]
;B[cl]BL[1141.361]
;W[ek]WL[1926.661]C[jtscarry [4k]: i think b should capture
greendemon [3k]: me too
]
;B[bk]BL[1092.54]C[greendemon [3k]: seems chew agrees
]
;W[dl]WL[1901.706]
;B[ck]BL[1076.048]
;W[dm]WL[1896.081]
;B[di]BL[1063.13]
;W[ic]WL[1876.44]
;B[mb]BL[1028.332]C[greendemon [3k]: white seems ahead
]
;W[nb]WL[1873.273]C[jtscarry [4k]: really?
Rawar4me [9k]: i think not
]
;B[mn]BL[972.114]C[jtscarry [4k]: i guess the upper left is pretty big
]
;W[no]WL[1864.553]C[jtscarry [4k]: you were right, csamurai, j17 *is* huge
CSamurai [4k]: Yeah.
CSamurai [4k]: I think it was bigger than the one stone at the time.
CSamurai [4k]: The cut at L4 was cute though
Shadonra [3d]: hmm, b ahead a little?
Shadonra [3d]: no, very even
Shadonra [3d]: what a boring game though
greendemon [3k]: it definitely seems close
Shadonra [3d]: if b gets c6 or c7 then b is ahead slightly
CSamurai [4k]: I think black needs to go ahead and build some territory here, yeah.
CSamurai [4k]: With one of those.
Shadonra [3d]: i count 48 points white, ~46 black
]
;B[qh]BL[817.242]C[CSamurai [4k]: erf.
Shadonra [3d]: nice
]
;W[cm]WL[1855.464]C[CSamurai [4k]: Not as big as c6
Shadonra [3d]: no, it is about the same
CSamurai [4k]: And white knows it.
CSamurai [4k]: Is it?
Shadonra [3d]: should be
]
;B[og]BL[789.445]C[Shadonra [3d]: good
CSamurai [4k]: Ahh.
CSamurai [4k]: Yeah.
CSamurai [4k]: I hadn't read out hte cut so I wasn't counting it yet.
CSamurai [4k]: That makes more sense.
greendemon [3k]: so Shaddy, how much do you count for the upper Left?
greendemon [3k]: for W?
Shadonra [3d]: i memorized the white corner is 13 points, then 6 more for the extension
Shadonra [3d]: so ~19
CSamurai [4k]: Yeah.
Shadonra [3d]: nm, 21
CSamurai [4k]: I guessed around 20 there.
Shadonra [3d]: i missed a line lol
greendemon [3k]: + about 20 on the bottom?
greendemon [3k]: + upper r + komi
]
;W[se]WL[1786.114]C[Shadonra [3d]: 19 bottom
Shadonra [3d]: 11 top
]
;B[sf]BL[768.54]C[Shadonra [3d]: 57.5 for white
]
;W[sd]WL[1784.734]
;B[rf]BL[754.639]C[CSamurai [4k]: Black needs to take some sente and get some reduction going on.
Shadonra [3d]: right side black has 34 at least
Shadonra [3d]: bottom left is 12ish
Shadonra [3d]: left is 11
Shadonra [3d]: and the middle group is definitely at least 7
]
;W[bf]WL[1736.549]
;B[bg]BL[748.504]
;W[bh]WL[1731.632]C[Shadonra [3d]: WAT
Shadonra [3d]: b wins
CSamurai [4k]: B15?
Shadonra [3d]: yeah
Shadonra [3d]: w has nothing
CSamurai [4k]: What is there to think about?
Shadonra [3d]: the cut
Shadonra [3d]: but i don't think it works
greendemon [3k]: b15 c13 a14 d12
CSamurai [4k]: c13, then c11? Or just C11 first?
]
;B[be]BL[679.397]
;W[ci]WL[1720.839]C[Shadonra [3d]: perfect, greendemon
CSamurai [4k]: c12.
Shadonra [3d]: no, should b11
CSamurai [4k]: Oh, you're right.
]
;B[bi]BL[646.725]C[Shadonra [3d]: w corner shrinks to 17 points
]
;W[ch]WL[1707.59]C[Shadonra [3d]: and b gets some extra points
]
;B[dh]BL[632.452]
;W[ai]WL[1705.205]
;B[bj]BL[630.58]
;W[bd]WL[1669.566]
;B[af]BL[627.475]C[jtscarry [4k]:

]
;W[bn]WL[1650.574]C[greendemon [3k]: it's a very empty middle
Shadonra [3d]: yes, a boring game
]
;B[bo]BL[561.219]C[greendemon [3k]: maybe W could try f15 or therabouts?
]
;W[bl]WL[1645.432]C[Shadonra [3d]: it's too small
Shadonra [3d]: l18 biggest i think
]
;B[cg]BL[528.2]
;W[bq]WL[1635.777]C[jtscarry [4k]: what
]
;B[br]BL[522.344]C[Shadonra [3d]: d1 endgame tesuji
greendemon [3k]: i see
]
;W[ll]WL[1593.706]C[CSamurai [4k]: White has played a very solid game.
Shadonra [3d]: b o12 now, i guess?
]
;B[ml]BL[465.782]
;W[mk]WL[1590.1]
;B[mm]BL[417.396]
;W[nk]WL[1579.449]C[jtscarry [4k]: going back to b14... was that the largest move on the board?
Shadonra [3d]: it definitely wasn't small, i think l18 was bigger
Shadonra [3d]: and i think w should have played b15-b14-hane-connect-l18
]
;B[lk]BL[342.431]
;W[kl]WL[1560.055]C[CSamurai [4k]: L18 for white?
Shadonra [3d]: yeah
CSamurai [4k]: Ahh
]
;B[kk]BL[318.16]
;W[jl]WL[1558.454]
;B[ik]BL[310.689]C[Shadonra [3d]: b too greedy.. gonna get burned
]
;W[il]WL[1550.995]
;B[jk]BL[212.03]
;W[hl]WL[1547.576]C[Shadonra [3d]: b group not even alive now
CSamurai [4k]: h6 makes it live.
CSamurai [4k]: I was just reading that out.
Shadonra [3d]: yes, but it shouldn't have to add a move
Shadonra [3d]: it's a ponnuki with tiger mouths coming off of it
]
;B[gn]BL[174.581]
;W[hk]WL[1532.646]
;B[lh]BL[107.775]C[greendemon [3k]:

]
;W[ii]WL[1501.57]
;B[jb]BL[81.659]C[Shadonra [3d]: o12 big.. so is g7
Shadonra [3d]: this also big
]
;W[ib]WL[1495.702]C[Shadonra [3d]: g7 looks like sente
]
;B[jc]BL[49.43]
;W[li]WL[1470.914]
;B[ki]BL[44.458]
;W[kh]WL[1463.591]
;B[mi]BL[39.308]
;W[lg]WL[1459.659]
;B[mh]BL[24.687]
;W[ng]WL[1453.752]
;B[of]BL[40]OB[5]
;W[mg]WL[1450.196]
;B[kg]BL[40]OB[5]C[CSamurai [4k]: Looks like black needs k12..
CSamurai [4k]: er..
]
;W[jh]WL[1441.106]C[CSamurai [4k]: Or, the cut that works out badly..
Shadonra [3d]: oh, this sucks
]
;B[nh]BL[40]OB[4]C[Shadonra [3d]: i think b can live
CSamurai [4k]: Black now needs both l14 and O..
Shadonra [3d]: wait no
CSamurai [4k]: Or he could let white have the ladder.
Shadonra [3d]: gg
]
;W[mj]WL[1414.177]C[CSamurai [4k]: Yeah.
CSamurai [4k]: That's game.
]
;B[lf]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[ni]WL[1408.707]
;B[id]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[hd]WL[1393.532]C[jtscarry [4k]: hey greendemon, are you from chicago?
]
;B[he]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[gd]WL[1390.75]
;B[ia]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[hb]WL[1378.104]
;B[ha]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[ga]WL[1375.864]
;B[ja]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[gb]WL[1373.203]
;B[if]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[fh]WL[1349.859]
;B[hh]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[hi]WL[1344.12]
;B[gh]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[gi]WL[1341.346]
;B[gm]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[fl]WL[1335.795]C[greendemon [3k]: i'm currently in chicago
]
;B[dd]BL[40]OB[4]C[Shadonra [3d]: no, don't throw away your 4 pt sente
Shadonra [3d]: what are you doing
jtscarry [4k]: do you play at any of the clubs around here?
]
;W[cc]WL[1317.065]C[greendemon [3k]: i've been to the intelligensia one a few times
jtscarry [4k]: same, maybe we'll run into each other there
greendemon [3k]: cool
]
;B[fg]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[jg]WL[1306.126]
;B[kf]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[ak]WL[1219.81]
;B[ah]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[co]WL[1204.616]
;B[do]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[ao]WL[1185.544]
;B[bp]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[fi]WL[1124.397]
;B[na]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[oa]WL[1121.221]
;B[ma]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[pb]WL[1114.094]C[CSamurai [4k]: unnecissary
]
;B[ge]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[jf]WL[1104.144]
;B[je]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[ff]WL[1098.528]
;B[fe]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[gg]WL[1095.593]
;B[hg]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[eg]WL[1094.074]
;B[cn]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[ap]WL[1064.061]
;B[aq]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[an]WL[1062.711]
;B[aj]BL[40]OB[4]C[jtscarry [4k]: ha

]
;W[qo]WL[1036.194]
;B[ro]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[po]WL[1034.717]
;B[al]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[bm]WL[1032.48]
;B[gr]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[km]WL[1017.415]
;B[kn]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[im]WL[992.62]
;B[in]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[gp]WL[986.904]
;B[hp]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[gs]WL[979.838]C[jtscarry [4k]: ok, there's a cut now
]
;B[hr]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[hs]WL[976.74]
;B[dn]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[fm]WL[961.474]
;B[gl]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[gk]WL[959.181]
;B[hm]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[ph]WL[953.843]
;B[pg]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[ps]WL[924.451]
;B[qs]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[ed]WL[921.34]
;B[fd]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[ih]WL[913.147]
;B[gf]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[fg]WL[908.915]
;B[ig]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[ds]WL[896.898]
;B[cs]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[ad]WL[884.263]
;B[es]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[ae]WL[880.808]
;B[bf]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[en]WL[872.974]
;B[ds]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[fs]WL[870.292]
;B[mf]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[ee]WL[859.795]
;B[ef]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[ec]WL[858.231]
;B[dg]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[ei]WL[855.161]
;B[ak]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[nf]WL[845.59]
;B[nl]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[am]WL[841.256]
;B[nn]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[ir]WL[838.082]
;B[ip]BL[40]OB[4]C[CSamurai [4k]: ?!
]
;W[gq]WL[829.932]
;B[nm]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[lm]WL[827.382]
;B[eh]BL[40]OB[4]
;W[eo]WL[812.941]
;B[]BL[40]OB[4]C[CSamurai [4k]: j4 wasted point?
]
;W[]WL[812.94]TW[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][fa][pa][qa][ra][sa][ab][bb][cb][db][eb][fb][ob][qb][rb][sb][ac][bc][gc][hc][sc][lh][mh][nh][ji][ki][mi][oi][fj][gj][hj][ij][jj][kj][lj][nj][oj][fk][ik][jk][kk][lk][ok][el][em][oo][lp][mp][np][op][lq][mq][nq][kr][lr][mr][nr][js][ks][ls][ms][ns]TB[ka][la][kb][lb][kc][lc][jd][kd][md][ie][ke][le][hf][pf][qf][ag][qg][rg][sg][bh][ch][rh][sh][ai][ci][ri][si][rj][sj][rk][sk][rl][sl][qm][rm][sm][hn][sn][co][ho][jo][so][rp][sp][bq][cq][dq][rq][sq][ar][rr][sr][as][bs][rs][ss]C[Chew [3k]: Thank you for the game
oren [5k?]: thanks
CSamurai [4k]: Well played Oren
oren [5k?]: thanks
Shadonra [3d]: chew, you threw away the game!
oren [5k?]: tiring game
oren [5k?]: haha
Chew [3k]: Yes, you did very well
jtscarry [4k]: great game guys
Shadonra [3d]: well played, oren
oren [5k?]: having to play moyo style was hard
Shadonra [3d]: want a review?
CSamurai [4k]: Good game to both players.
Chew [3k]: Please
])