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 Post subject: Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Post #81 Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:48 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w1:
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I will go with the corner. I think that letting Black have the corner while I end up with a lot of weak points in my center position offers less opportunity in the next phase of the game. Let's see...

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Post #82 Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:32 am 
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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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Time to see if there's any way to salvage this

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Post #83 Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:26 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w2:
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$$ | . . . 9 . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I never considered this! :scratch: I'll think about it later. For now I am forced...

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Post #84 Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:01 pm 
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Do you have a particular sequence that you have read that allows your corner to live? It looks a bit thin to me.

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Post #85 Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:54 am 
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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ | . . . O . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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I'm pretty sure I can make life this way:

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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ | . . 4 O . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . X 2 3 . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
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生きていると思うけど。。。


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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ | . 3 . O . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . X 2 6 . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . 1 O 4 O 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 5 8 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X 9 X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
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Looks like I'm ok, but in the words of a great man "If that's how you're going to live, then why don't you just curl up and die?"

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Post #86 Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:29 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w2:
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$$ | . . . O . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . 1 O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

At this point simply patience. Black has to decide what sort of weaknesses to leave behind. Right now I am inclining toward pulling out the G16 stone and having Black capture the H17 stone in gote. But let's see how the corner settles first...

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Post #87 Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:45 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ | . . . O . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #88 Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:06 pm 
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$$ | . . . O . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X 3 . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #89 Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:22 pm 
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$$ | . . 6 O . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . X X O . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O 5 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think that forcing play help me a little. Anyway I'm pretty sure I live, but a lot of my territory has been destroyed. Can I still win? White's pretty thin and has to take gote to link up I think, and then I'll have to make good use of my sente

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$$ | . . 6 O . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O . . O . a . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X 3 . . 7 . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O 5 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . b . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #90 Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:57 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ | . . X O . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Let's just see what Black has in mind. BTW, the exchange of :b74: for :w75: was not a good idea. It eliminated one of Black's liberties and increases the potential that E9 could cause problems in the future.

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Post #91 Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:32 pm 
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$$ | . . X O . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O 8 . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Another painful move, but it feels like I have no choice for now. I don't think he can just seal me in next:

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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O 8 . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . 9 . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . 0 . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think this either lets me disconnect his groups or capture those two stones. I would just play it now, but it looks like it doesn't work since he can capture my top group first by just pulling out the stone that I just locked down. The game's not looking good, as I assume that he can either seal my living group in sente or force it to scramble while he builds up the middle

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Post #92 Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:24 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . 9 . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Natural I think. The Black group does not have two eyes on the side. I do not expect to kill it because White is thin. However, I should be able to seal it in and play first on the right to build my framework.

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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , 0 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


trigger
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[go]$$Wcm71 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X 1 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . 2 3 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O . 4 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Get outa there!

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Post #94 Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:56 pm 
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Jedo, FYI I accept this much of the trigger and am now pondering where to play next...

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[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X 1 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . 2 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

A good shot by Jedo! I thought he was on the wrong track with :b78: and carelessly expected him to continue down the wrong road. I should have simply played :w79: around L15 to contain him nicely. The upper right is not interesting so I will not use the trigger to drive him into the heart of my influence. I do not think I can expect to kill him so I do not want to destroy my potential in a fruitless hunt. For :w83: I considered J18, letting him play first in the center (I assume he would not answer directly). That would essentially eliminate the remaining bad aji of Black cutting through the thin connection of my left and center stones. However nice that would be tactically, I think it is in the wrong direction strategically. My first thought here is L13 next and push Black to the right before playing a shoulder hit at O10. However, my second thought is stretch to M13 and challenge Black more aggressively. That is what I am still pondering. :rambo:

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[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Gently! :tmbup:
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[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X 4 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X 6 5 O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X . X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O 7 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X 4 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . a . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Can I afford A at the end of this?

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[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O 5 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . 6 . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


All right, I'm going for it. I'm curious how he's going to respond, and I'm not comitting myself to total chaos just yet, it's more to see if he'll just let me out or if he'll go for the capturing race:

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[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X X . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . X O X . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X , X O 5 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 O 8 . . X X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . 0 6 9 O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 3 X X 6 5 O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X 4 X . X 7 O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O O X O X X 8 X O O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 O O X . . X X 9 . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X O . X X O O . . 0 . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O O O . 2 . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It woudld go something like this, but I'm not totally sure if I have enough liberties yet so I'll probably have to push out a little more first.

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I fail to see a capturing "race" in Jedo's variations. Am I missing something or is he being unduly cautious?

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[go]$$Wcm81 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w2:
$$ ---------------------------------------
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Sighhh... I thought I had looked at that! :oops: Well, :b86: Seems a little more effective than expected. At least I did not go on a hunting expedition with this kind of back door hanging open. So, grit my teeth and get on with it. :blackeye:

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