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Offline Nathan
 Post subject: Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Post #61 Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:39 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm42 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . X . . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


All these weak groups are stressin me out.... gotta stop doin that
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Offline 1986
 Post subject: Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Post #62 Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:37 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . X . . . O . 1 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

well i gotta protect this cut because if i ignore my corner would be in danger

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Offline jts
 Post subject: Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Post #63 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:02 am 
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . X . . . O 1 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


You always have a choice between a solid connection and a hanging ("tiger's mouth") connection. Black would like to play this move anyway, so combining the hane and the connection into one move is very efficient. (The solid connection, of course, allows B to respond to S3 at S2, so there is a trade-off.)
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Offline EdLee
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Post #64 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:24 am 
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jts,
jts wrote:
The solid connection, of course, allows B to respond to S3 at S2, so there is a trade-off.
Here it's more important to make the solid connection :b43: in the game -- so B can block W's S3 hane.
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Offline EdLee
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Post #65 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:30 am 
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B should've been very happy to block with :b1: (instead of :b31: in the game), in sente --
if W tenuki, locally W is dead:
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[go]$$B :w2: tenuki
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O 4 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . X X O 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline jts
 Post subject: Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Post #66 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:19 am 
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EdLee wrote:
jts,
jts wrote:
The solid connection, of course, allows B to respond to S3 at S2, so there is a trade-off.
Here it's more important to make the solid connection :b43: in the game -- so B can block W's S3 hane.
I don't disagree. (That's what I meant by "respond to S3 at S2".) I just think it's a good example of the hanging connection doing something besides creating bad aji - move that serves two purposes simultaneously.
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Offline Nathan
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Post #67 Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:21 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm44 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . X . . . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Overall I'm not really sure what to do here... Here are some rambling thoughts

a- This move seems like a forcing move giving me sente and pushes out to the center while strenghtening his wall, however it makes a strange shape

b- adds some eyespace but ends in gote

c adds eyespace but if he plays t8 im forced to resond.. read again ... awful when he plays s6

d helps move the group out to the center solid shape but leaves concerns baout eyespace and where am i running too?

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . c . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . X . . . O . X X b . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a feels the best for now so I am going with it.
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Offline 1986
 Post subject: Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Post #68 Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:12 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm45 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . X . . . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


ok keeping my connection here with this nobi, if he goes for the cut its going to be a fight, and this nobi is strengthing a key stone in this fight if he so chooses to cut, this is going to be interesting, alot of reading :study:

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Offline emeraldemon
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Post #69 Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:45 pm 
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I think black has the stronger position here, but I don't like this last move. It gives white the hane at "a" and the cut at "b".

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[go]$$Bcm45 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . a . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . X b X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . X . . . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I would have been happy to connect. I feel like it's giving white chances to cause trouble and maybe get out of a dangerous spot.
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Offline Nathan
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Post #70 Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:28 am 
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[go]$$Wcm46 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . 1 X . . . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Considered both j3 and o6.

j3 seems like a very big move in the game and i believe he will respond to it leaving me with sente. o6 is large as well but right now I feel j3 is more urgent.

edit.. I should probably have read here to make an informed decision... but thats why im still a 9 kyu
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Offline 1986
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Post #71 Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:57 am 
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[go]$$Bcm47 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 1 . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X . . . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


that one stone is not my concern, i mean its only one stone, so this move is expanding my huge center and its massive even if i have to say so myself

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Offline Nathan
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Post #72 Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:52 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm48 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X . 1 . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Very surprised he would tenuki in this situation. The bottom right seems very urgent.

I am going to try and make use of the aji created by the o3 stone

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[go]$$Wcm48 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O 3 X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X 2 1 4 O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline 1986
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Post #73 Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:17 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm49 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O 1 X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X . O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


oh well, i was expecting something else, i honestly thought he would jump into the center on the left side, or do something with the group thats floating on the right side, but the good thing about this move is it should be sente for me because he has to go for the cut and i get to play next, now for a good move :rambo:

so far i like:
i like K4, F15,& i like Q6
i like D9, D3 seems pro-ish, i like D10 too
or i might just play P4 to avoid the cut fight
naw i can win the cut fight
read read read was something i learned the last game
and im putting it into practice
:study:

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What are you reading out as happening locally if you take sente here? What do you read out as the likely sequences following from the other six moves you mentioned?
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Now after white L3, the P4 aji is starting to look more and more tasty...

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well if i take sente here i got off the top of my head 3 variations, plus the othere 6 u requested come out to 9 variations WOW now thats home work :lol:


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . 8 O 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O 7 O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O 1 X . X 4 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X 2 O . O 5 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . 5 |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X 4 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 3 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . O O X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O 6 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X O O . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . 8 O 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O 7 O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O 1 X . X 4 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X 2 O . O 5 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm58 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 5 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . O O X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O 7 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X . X O X O 3 6 |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X O O . O X X X 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . 8 O 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O 7 O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O 1 X . X 4 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X 2 O . O 5 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . O O X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O 6 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X . X O X O 7 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X O O . O X X X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . 4 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


woo! jts my man ill do the rest later

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[go]$$Bcm49 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O 1 X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X 2 O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Thats pretty self exclamitory

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O 4 5 7 . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O 1 X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X 2 O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 4 . . . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O 1 X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X 2 O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . 7 . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 5 3 . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 4 O 1 X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X 2 O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . 8 O 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O 7 O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O 1 X . X 4 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X 2 O . O 5 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

makes a net
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . 8 5 O . . . . . O 1 X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . 4 3 . . O . O X 2 O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . b 7 . . 9 a . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

a & b is next in seq i think this is the most complicated one so far

i gave a quick overview of what i have so far... yeah thats pretty much he jist of it :cool: i gotta get a quicker way of making diagrams, maybe next time i will do sgf instead, yeah thats it :study:

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Post #78 Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:53 pm 
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Thanks a lot! :bow: It's interesting to see what the players are thinking at any given time. Sorry for making you do lots of homework, you said you were reading out those options so I was just hoping you'd record them as you went along :cool:
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Post #79 Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:18 pm 
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no problem, i'll add more variations to aviod the homework :lol:

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . 1 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X . O . O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok now I need to work towards the center with the right group and try and find some eyes.

This move is mostly off of intuition I have done a little reading but overall its above my pay grade to try any substantial reading.
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