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- Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:18 pm
- Forum: General Go Chat
- Topic: Interesting Position in Nongshim Cup Dispute
- Replies: 23
- Views: 20883
Re: Interesting Position in Nongshim Cup Dispute
Thanks - I didn't realize there was already a thread. I also don't know what the official definition of "dispute" is, I suppose. In this case, there was at least a misunderstanding. Yes, there WAS a dispute. Both players were unsure, and the situation came to the referee. Even the referee changed ...
- Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:56 pm
- Forum: General Go Chat
- Topic: Interesting Position in Nongshim Cup Dispute
- Replies: 23
- Views: 20883
Re: Interesting Position in Nongshim Cup Dispute
https://www.cyberoro.com/news/news_view.oro?div_no=A1&num=529337&pageNo=1&cmt_n=0
이 바둑을 보던 한·중의 많은 기사가 백(강동윤)이 흑 대마를 잡은 것으로 착각했다. 사이버오로에서 해설하던 안성준 9단도 도중 “한국룰로는 백이 흑을 잡아 승리”라고 했지만 이후 규정집에 해당 형태가 있는 것을 확인한 뒤 바둑팬들에게 사과하며 “백이 흑을 잡은 것 같지만 자체 해결이 불가능한 모양이어서 무승부다.”라고 설명했다.
My translation:
Many ...
이 바둑을 보던 한·중의 많은 기사가 백(강동윤)이 흑 대마를 잡은 것으로 착각했다. 사이버오로에서 해설하던 안성준 9단도 도중 “한국룰로는 백이 흑을 잡아 승리”라고 했지만 이후 규정집에 해당 형태가 있는 것을 확인한 뒤 바둑팬들에게 사과하며 “백이 흑을 잡은 것 같지만 자체 해결이 불가능한 모양이어서 무승부다.”라고 설명했다.
My translation:
Many ...
- Mon Nov 28, 2022 3:23 pm
- Forum: General Go Chat
- Topic: Interesting Position in Nongshim Cup Dispute
- Replies: 23
- Views: 20883
Re: Interesting Position in Nongshim Cup Dispute
I found the stream https://youtu.be/jFcWz7ITud0?t=15032 . The time in the link (4:10:32) shows the result of counting on the Go server, it seems to say everything is alive, then it goes into a screen with the positions blacked out. Maybe not much to be seen from this, it is a bit different when it ...
- Mon Nov 28, 2022 3:12 pm
- Forum: General Go Chat
- Topic: Interesting Position in Nongshim Cup Dispute
- Replies: 23
- Views: 20883
Re: Interesting Position in Nongshim Cup Dispute
The players didn't agree who won the game, and called the referees. In my book that's a dispute.
For the Korean rule, see this page, section 10, second to last example. White is not dead. Black can continue repeating (thus claiming no result) or accept a large seki.
https://www.kbaduk.or.kr/baduk ...
For the Korean rule, see this page, section 10, second to last example. White is not dead. Black can continue repeating (thus claiming no result) or accept a large seki.
https://www.kbaduk.or.kr/baduk ...
- Sat Nov 19, 2022 8:14 pm
- Forum: General Go Chat
- Topic: Using AI to study general board positions
- Replies: 15
- Views: 13025
Re: Using AI to study general board positions
Interesting idea pwaldron! I linked this on the Computer Go Community discord. You may know that most the bots also have additional history inputs where they give the board state for the previous N moves. But katago trained sometimes with similar idea to yours -- the board state was not given so the ...
- Fri Mar 11, 2022 11:21 am
- Forum: Off Topic
- Topic: New game: Lifeline
- Replies: 9
- Views: 10240
Re: New game: Lifeline
"A group is said to be cornered if it reaches one or more enemy groups and no friendly groups."
Black plays the first move. But then when White plays, aren't both black and white cornered? There is a single black group and a single white group. They reach each other. So they both reach one enemy ...
Black plays the first move. But then when White plays, aren't both black and white cornered? There is a single black group and a single white group. They reach each other. So they both reach one enemy ...
- Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:38 pm
- Forum: Amateurs
- Topic: Measuring intuition
- Replies: 31
- Views: 22930
Re: Measuring intuition
I think it's an example of confirmation bias. Most Go moves are simple and obvious. But every position has a few moves that look simple/obvious. The problem then is to pick the correct simple move over and over without missing a single one.
When you play a real game, suddenly one of your simple ...
When you play a real game, suddenly one of your simple ...
- Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:51 am
- Forum: Computer Go
- Topic: Go AI World Championship 2020
- Replies: 15
- Views: 15132
Go AI World Championship 2020
https://www.reddit.com/r/baduk/comments/j0972m/go_ai_world_championship_2020/
Hey everyone!
Big news. We are going to be streaming the GO AI World Championship tonight at 9:30pm ET.
I will be hosting and Bob Song, an officially certified Chinese 5d amateur, will be joining for commentary and ...
Hey everyone!
Big news. We are going to be streaming the GO AI World Championship tonight at 9:30pm ET.
I will be hosting and Bob Song, an officially certified Chinese 5d amateur, will be joining for commentary and ...
- Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:36 pm
- Forum: Game Analysis
- Topic: Explanation of a proverb
- Replies: 17
- Views: 15240
Re: Explanation of a proverb
There are some references to 21 points in Yilun Yang's Workshop lectures volume 2. See this example and quote:
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$$ | . . . . . T T T T T T T . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . X T T Q T T T T . . . O ...
- Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:10 pm
- Forum: Study Group
- Topic: Opening problems for AI: Problem 43
- Replies: 19
- Views: 22146
Re: Opening problems for AI: Problem 43
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- Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:18 pm
- Forum: OGS
- Topic: OGS and "Call moderator"
- Replies: 10
- Views: 19587
Re: OGS and "Call moderator"
I found the game you are talking about. My first thought is: you started having a conversation with your opponent. He said something and you're unsure what it meant. I suggest asking him. You wanted to play humans, but you seem afraid to talk to your human opponent, instead coming here for advice ...
- Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:03 pm
- Forum: Study Group
- Topic: Opening problems for AI: Problem 35
- Replies: 10
- Views: 13431
Re: Opening problems for AI: Problem 35
My Katago:
Sacrifice: Black 44.6%, -0.6 points
Save (game): Black 86.9%, 6.1 points
Swing: 42.3pp, 6.7 points
So it agrees with Elf -- White made a huge mistake. Later it also generally agrees with Elf.
About continuation of the Sacrifice line:
It also wants to play bR4 next.
Then Kata slightly ...
Sacrifice: Black 44.6%, -0.6 points
Save (game): Black 86.9%, 6.1 points
Swing: 42.3pp, 6.7 points
So it agrees with Elf -- White made a huge mistake. Later it also generally agrees with Elf.
About continuation of the Sacrifice line:
It also wants to play bR4 next.
Then Kata slightly ...
- Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:23 am
- Forum: Computer Go
- Topic: KataGo @ Igo Hatsuyoron 120
- Replies: 101
- Views: 111607
Re: KataGo @ Igo Hatsuyoron 120
You credited some people with pointing out ideas. What about Katago, is it helping to analyze some of these ideas?
- Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:55 pm
- Forum: European Go Federation Forum
- Topic: EGF Rating System Commission Report 2020
- Replies: 74
- Views: 87246
Re: EGF Rating System Commission Report 2020
Quoting the changes to the math:
We now have a lot more data (from 20 years of results). This has been examined in detail and we are proposing some amendments.
The reasons for amending these parameters are:.
* To correct rating deflation (change and increase the bonus per game)
* To fit winrate ...
We now have a lot more data (from 20 years of results). This has been examined in detail and we are proposing some amendments.
The reasons for amending these parameters are:.
* To correct rating deflation (change and increase the bonus per game)
* To fit winrate ...