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Post #1 Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:49 am 
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Hi everyone,

I am looking at content around Go knowledge applied to life.
I know Bill Cobb has had a column around that called "philosophy on the board" or "philosophical reflections" 'available here: https://www.usgo.org/news/category/colu ... pty-board/

Do you know if there are other ressources available please?

Many thanks for your help,

Martin

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Post #2 Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:57 am 
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https://senseis.xmp.net/?PhilosophyAndGo

It's not a list of books, rather a path of pages, but those should contain the necessary links.

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Post #3 Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:33 am 
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@knotwilg: thank you very much, this looks very interesting indeed

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Post #4 Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:27 am 
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There is a simple and widely used solution, and one used by Go Seigen every day of his life. Get a good copy of the Yi Jing (I Ching, Book of Changes). Apart from the fact that its techniques have been tried and tested over centuries, its great merit is that you are not fed someone else's philosophy (which often turns out to be ideology!) but are guided to explore your own thoughts and ideas. This marries up well with Nietzsche's views on the philosophical process.

I have a chapter on this in The Go Companion, but you can get by easily on your own. The only thing I will stress is that you should avoid the hippy-type editions that focus on divination and incense burning. Unfortunately this is the vast majority. A safe option is a Legge edition, because Legge was a Methodist missionary who would have no truck with Chinese superstitions, but his format requires you to wade through molasses. A good modern version that is readable, well informed, attractively produced and avoids the flower-power syndrome is the one by Alfred Huang. It does have a bit of a Daoist tinge, but that's no bad thing for a go player - all the early Chinese go classics were produced by people imbued with Daoism, and the problems in the Xuanxuan Qijing (see my Gateway To All Marvels) exemplify that.

There is no reference to go within the Book of Changes. You have to provide that yourself. But you can start with any question you like, say "What is the true value of thickness?", pick a hexagram at random (to avoid imposing your existing prejudices) and then start thinking about the answer - the answer special to you - by following the key words in the explanations to the hexagram. With a little practice you can start linking to other hexagrams (as guided by the deeper parts of the text). Apart from coming up with answers, this guided thinking process is actually very good for relaxation.


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Post #5 Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:45 am 
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Hi John,

You're right regarding ideologism ;)

I had no knowledge of the Yi Jing. This seems to be an amazing book. I will order it asap!

Thanks again

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Post #6 Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:24 am 
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Hi Martin,

Go With the Flow, by Cho Hunhyun, certainly fits the description "Go knowledge applied to life", at least in parts. Sometimes it goes the self-help route with fairly over-simplistic statements about life, character, and will, but I'd say it's an interesting book nonetheless.

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Post #7 Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:41 pm 
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Hi "Salerno",

Many thanks for this recommendation. I wasn't aware of this book.
Good to see there's some publications in english. I desesperate to see there's less books available vs 2-3 years ago.

I'll definitely buy this one!

Cheers :bow:

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Post #8 Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:48 am 
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John Fairbairn wrote:
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I am looking at content around Go knowledge applied to life.


There is a simple and widely used solution, and one used by Go Seigen every day of his life. Get a good copy of the Yi Jing (I Ching, Book of Changes). Apart from the fact that its techniques have been tried and tested over centuries, its great merit is that you are not fed someone else's philosophy (which often turns out to be ideology!) but are guided to explore your own thoughts and ideas. This marries up well with Nietzsche's views on the philosophical process.

I have a chapter on this in The Go Companion, but you can get by easily on your own. The only thing I will stress is that you should avoid the hippy-type editions that focus on divination and incense burning. Unfortunately this is the vast majority. A safe option is a Legge edition, because Legge was a Methodist missionary who would have no truck with Chinese superstitions, but his format requires you to wade through molasses. A good modern version that is readable, well informed, attractively produced and avoids the flower-power syndrome is the one by Alfred Huang. It does have a bit of a Daoist tinge, but that's no bad thing for a go player - all the early Chinese go classics were produced by people imbued with Daoism, and the problems in the Xuanxuan Qijing (see my Gateway To All Marvels) exemplify that.

There is no reference to go within the Book of Changes. You have to provide that yourself. But you can start with any question you like, say "What is the true value of thickness?", pick a hexagram at random (to avoid imposing your existing prejudices) and then start thinking about the answer - the answer special to you - by following the key words in the explanations to the hexagram. With a little practice you can start linking to other hexagrams (as guided by the deeper parts of the text). Apart from coming up with answers, this guided thinking process is actually very good for relaxation.



I would recommend reading different philosophical directions, because there is no single life approach for everyone at once. Someone does not give a damn about researching some life goals and aspirations, someone lives like a vegetable one day, not striving for anything. If you have an interest and desire to delve into the meaning of life processes, to draw useful ideas for yourself, then you can and should read different psychologists and philosophers. Even the old teachings are still valid.

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