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Author:  rubin427 [ Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:29 pm ]
Post subject:  asking about bughouse
Ahoy!

Lately I've been in love with 13x13, thanks to goQuest. and I've got this MAJOR compulsion to try a game of Bughouse on two 13x13 boards (described below).
so I'll ask some questions:

Does anyone happen to know of a place online where this variation is supported?
Has anyone played this variation (or similar) either online or in person? does it work? is it fun?

Thanks!!!
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One possibly workable set of RULES:

Bughouse is a variant of chess I would play in childhood I imagine it applying to Go in this way (all of this is up for debate).

- there are only two players.
- The players sit with two empty 13x13 boards between them (left and right).
- the players take turns
- during your turn, you make ONLY ONE move on the single board of your choosing. Then it is the OTHER PLAYER'S turn.
- all other rules remain the same.

- detailed stuff like "does super-ko apply to a each board independently, or both simultaneously?" and the use of clocks are left as an exercise for the reader.
Author:  moha [ Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: asking about bughouse
My guess is this would be ok, but would not make much difference from normal go. Sente-gote would probably work the same, so this only makes the board bigger, and a bit unusual in shape.
Author:  EdLee [ Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:04 am ]
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Perfect mirror Go possible? You can even mirror the tengen! :)
Author:  Pio2001 [ Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: asking about bughouse
Mirror go is a problem indeed. Since Black has an advantage, the komi is for White. But it is White who decides to play mirror or not. So White can always win.
In this case, why not use two boards of different sizes ? That would prevent mirror go.
Using different board shapes would be a variation of a completely different kind, and off topic as far as "bughouse" is concerned.

Or maybe just add one rule : the first move of White must not be a symmetric move of Black's. The advantage would be to play on classical 13x13 boards.

Question : would the usual komi be fair ?
Author:  EdLee [ Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:22 am ]
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White can always win.
Are they playing ( one game ) or ( two simultaneously on the two boards ) ?
The point of W copying B's move exactly is that whatever the game result on board 1, it's the reverse on board 2.
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Author:  BlindGroup [ Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re:
EdLee wrote:
Quote:
White can always win.
Are they playing ( one game ) or ( two simultaneously on the two boards ) ?
The point of W copying B's move exactly is that whatever the game result on board 1, it's the reverse on board 2.


I think this would imply that the correct komi is 0 (or 0.5/-0.5 depending on whether you want to break ties). That also seems right since both players have the option of taking the first move on one board. So, the first move is not an advantage to either of them. I think this also means that you'd have to score the overall game as the sum of the score in each individual game. And given that white could in principal choose to just copy the other game (as Ed indicates), it might make sense to award ties to black.

I think it is a neat idea!
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