L&D problem: can white live without ko?

rlaalswo · #1

White to play first and live. Black has infinte ko threats, so ko is death. Seki and double ko is considered alive.

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Above is the given solution, but I don't think it's right.

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It seems to result in ko or bent four in corner. Am I not right?

EricBackus · #2

rlaalswo wrote:

White to play first and live. Black has infinte ko threats, so ko is death. Seki and double ko is considered alive.

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It seems to result in ko or bent four in corner. Am I not right?

I think white lives:

a and b are miai

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jlt · #3

Eric: and if :b5:

is at b?

Cassandra · #4

rlaalswo wrote:

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It seems to result in ko or bent four in corner. Am I not right?

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The status of Bent-Four-in-the-Corner depends on the number of outside liberties!

EricBackus · #5

jlt wrote:

Eric: and if :b5:

is at b?

Uh...ok, nevermind.

rlaalswo · #6

Cassandra wrote:

The status of Bent-Four-in-the-Corner depends on the number of outside liberties!

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Got it! Thanks!