John Fairbairn wrote:
But if you insisted on applying it to go styles, you could say the Korean style is ha-ha-kyu, and the typical amateur style is ha-ha-ha.
That certainly describes my style.
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| Author: | Ferran [ Thu May 21, 2020 2:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Jo Ha Kyu ? |
A query for those versed in Japanese Go: Does it use the Jo-Ha-Kyu triad of concepts? Opening-Middlegame-Endgame kinda suggests it, but it can go much further than that. Thank you |
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| Author: | bogiesan [ Thu May 21, 2020 7:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jo Ha Kyu ? |
Is this a Chinese concept? Korean? Martian? I can tell you this: in the West, When one is beginning to learn go/baduk/weiqi, there is only the opening; it never really ends, it only spreads across the entire board. |
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| Author: | Ferran [ Thu May 21, 2020 8:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jo Ha Kyu ? |
bogiesan wrote: Is this a Chinese concept? Korean? Martian? Japanese. Originally from theatre, it expanded into martial arts. It's sort of "setup - confrontation - resolution" with some quirks. Take care. |
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| Author: | John Fairbairn [ Thu May 21, 2020 11:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jo Ha Kyu ? |
I've never seen it mentioned in go, but then you almost never see references to Sun Zi's Art of War, or other exotic stuff that westerners think suffuses everything oriental. I suppose next there'll be people itching for matcha go stones on a tatami board. Personally I think jo-ha-kyu is much overrated (though Zeami himself isn't). It's a pretty standard literary device in European literature, for example. Even journalists learn to write features that way. As to other areas, it's not that different from the old lecturing adage: tell 'em what you're going to tell 'em, tell 'em, tell 'em what you've told 'em. Or a three-course meal. But if you insisted on applying it to go styles, you could say the Korean style is ha-ha-kyu, and the typical amateur style is ha-ha-ha. Jo is of course sealing off territory in the opening, Japanese style: > When o'er the hill the eastern star > Tells bughtin-time is near, my jo. |
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| Author: | dfan [ Thu May 21, 2020 12:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jo Ha Kyu ? |
John Fairbairn wrote: But if you insisted on applying it to go styles, you could say the Korean style is ha-ha-kyu, and the typical amateur style is ha-ha-ha. That certainly describes my style.
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