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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | New go words |
Although we have a large and confusing vocabulary for the game, sometimes there seems to be a need for one or two more. My favorite is: Triai(n): Three moves that both sides want. There are a few in use already, such as: Noseki(n): A sequence that looks like, but is not joseki. What are your new words? |
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| Author: | topazg [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New go words |
Joaz Banbeck wrote: Although we have a large and confusing vocabulary for the game, sometimes there seems to be a need for one or two more. My favorite is: Triai(n): Three moves that both sides want. I'm not sure if this one really works? I mean, the point of miai is "you get one, your opponent gets the other, so no net change". With triai, whoever plays first gets two of them, so the contextual meaning is kinda lost 
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| Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New go words |
I've heard a Noseki be called a Fredseki once or twice. I know I've heard more funny go terms, but I'll have to try and remember them. |
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| Author: | Mark356 [ Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New go words |
I have long thought that aji should be given in full translation, e.g: "This group is dead, but it still has some flavor left in it," or "Don't play there yet, you'll kill the taste of that stone." |
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| Author: | Violence [ Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New go words |
A bit of lore from my go club at college. The monkey throw. |
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| Author: | daal [ Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New go words |
Joaz Banbeck wrote: Noseki(n): A sequence that looks like, but is not joseki. Often because somebody played a nosuji |
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| Author: | HermanHiddema [ Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New go words |
Violence wrote: For that one, I like "Jumpy Monk" better 
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| Author: | RobertJasiek [ Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New go words |
The greatest generalization of miai is "options". Looked vice versa, miai is a special (and important) case of options. |
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| Author: | DrStraw [ Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New go words |
daal wrote: Joaz Banbeck wrote: Noseki(n): A sequence that looks like, but is not joseki. Often because somebody played a nosuji Isn't that zokusuji as in the title of Sakata's book? |
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| Author: | Gresil [ Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New go words |
I think the difference is that whereas a zokusuji is just a clumsy move, a nosuji is a move that was supposed to be tesuji. The French might the latter a "tesuji belge". |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | time-suji |
Isn't this already (widely?) in use? time-suji (n) /taim-SOO-jee/ A move played under time pressure, to buy some time. Example: playing a ko threat even though there is currently no ko on the board (thus wasting a perfectly good ko threat) 1 second before losing a 30-second byoyomi period to gain another 30 seconds to read some more, to count, or to re-assess the current position, etc. Sometimes, a careless time-suji can backfire and bring disastrous results; for instance, inadvertently reducing one's own liberties -- this happens even in pro games.
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| Author: | BaghwanB [ Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New go words |
Out of the ones mentioned so far, I'd say timesuji is the most widely one used/recognized in my experience at least. Personally, I like "d'ohsuji" for the failed attempt with the exception of the "monkey limp" used when you screw that move up. But go generalize (and rant) a bit, I'd like to push for an increase in native language terms for various aspects of the game. Especially when trying to get people interested and involved in playing, it can be pretty daunting when you start rattling off Japanese/Korean terms. Before long, if you are not careful, it sounds like an involved shonen fighting series: "My keima is here to prevent him from making a moyo from his shimari.". I know the simple solution is not to throw around these terms until the newbie is more into the game (and can actually understand you meaning as well as your vocabulary) but it can still look like a barrier to entry when the jargon starts flowing. Bruce "Noam" Young |
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| Author: | rubin427 [ Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New go words |
HermanHiddema wrote: Violence wrote: For that one, I like "Jumpy Monk" better So funny. It needs a t-shirt asap. |
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| Author: | daal [ Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New go words |
BaghwanB wrote: Out of the ones mentioned so far, I'd say timesuji is the most widely one used/recognized in my experience at least. Personally, I like "d'ohsuji" for the failed attempt with the exception of the "monkey limp" used when you screw that move up. That's funny. Quote: But go generalize (and rant) a bit, I'd like to push for an increase in native language terms for various aspects of the game. Especially when trying to get people interested and involved in playing, it can be pretty daunting when you start rattling off Japanese/Korean terms. Before long, if you are not careful, it sounds like an involved shonen fighting series: "My keima is here to prevent him from making a moyo from his shimari.". I know the simple solution is not to throw around these terms until the newbie is more into the game (and can actually understand you meaning as well as your vocabulary) but it can still look like a barrier to entry when the jargon starts flowing. Bruce "Noam" Young As someone who wanted to name his cat Chomsky, I agree, and to those who might say that appropriate words for these hard-to-put-your-finger-on-concepts don't exist, I say: make 'em up. Then we can confuse newbies with made up English words instead of Japanese ones. |
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| Author: | hyperpape [ Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New go words |
I know a bit about Chomsky, but I guess I'm missing something. Why are we invoking him? |
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| Author: | daal [ Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New go words |
hyperpape wrote: I know a bit about Chomsky, but I guess I'm missing something. Why are we invoking him? Not to go off topic, but since BaghwanB who is noted for using a middle name to hint at his thoughts, middle-named himself "Noam," I just chimed in with the vaguely humorous thought in the back of my mind that generative grammar might imply that there is a universal underlying concept for "aji" and "shimari," and so on. It probably doesn't, but I guess I wasn't taking the subject too seriously. 
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| Author: | hyperpape [ Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New go words |
Popular opinion to the contrary, I'm ok with not taking everything seriously. I just thought I was missing something and was curious. |
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| Author: | gaius [ Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New go words |
Don't forget the good old armpit nudge! |
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| Author: | hyperpape [ Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New go words |
gaius wrote: armpit nudge Yeah, I don't think I could say that one.
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| Author: | BaghwanB [ Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: New go words |
daal wrote: hyperpape wrote: I know a bit about Chomsky, but I guess I'm missing something. Why are we invoking him? Not to go off topic, but since BaghwanB who is noted for using a middle name to hint at his thoughts, middle-named himself "Noam," I just chimed in with the vaguely humorous thought in the back of my mind that generative grammar might imply that there is a universal underlying concept for "aji" and "shimari," and so on. It probably doesn't, but I guess I wasn't taking the subject too seriously. 100% correct Daal. Linguistics is one of my "hobby" studies so that seem appropriate for cross-language terms. For those not in the know, Dr. Chomsky did tons of linguistic research before he became known for his political views. Back on the go words front, a few more terms for common shapes would be fun. When I started playing we'd make up ridiculous ones for imaginary "good" formations we'd put on the board (like the "reclining wombat" and "furious george"). Any suggestions for useful or humorous additions? Bruce "Namer of Things" Young |
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