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| Author: | wineandgolover [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:29 am ] |
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I have a dilemma somewhat related to Robert's "Oxygen" thread. Oddly enough, I often stop breathing while reading in live games. I have no idea why, but suspect I am just over-focused, to the point of shutting down this "involuntary" reflex. This causes me intense headaches at tournaments. These headaches have gotten worse as I've gotten stronger and try to read deeper. My solution is to record the game, as this non-reading activity allows me to breathe every move. Obviously this is insufficient because I still get headaches. This doesn't happen to me online. Like Robert, I'd appreciate suggestions. |
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| Author: | Ortho [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breathing |
I think maybe drain all the air from the room is a good start. |
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| Author: | PeterHB [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breathing |
Go for a 40 minute run before your game. Get the heart and lungs working. They won't just slow down immediately afterwards. |
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| Author: | SmoothOper [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breathing |
Brings a whole new meaning to suffocating eye space. Sounds like a coordination problem. I think some people have similar problems focusing when practicing drums/piano. One solution is learning an activity with controlled breathing, like swimming or yoga, or just practice controlled breathing while playing go. Maybe one or two breaths per stone or something depending on the tempo you want. |
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| Author: | Umsturz [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breathing |
I also used to get headaches, but not from lack of air, but a lack of water. Nowadays I make sure I drink a lot (water or tea) and it really helped my concentration and general well-being : ) Maybe this helps you, otherwise good luck. |
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| Author: | dfunkt [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breathing |
It might be best to stop playing if it's that stressful. It's a game after all. |
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| Author: | Bonobo [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breathing |
Same here when I do extremely fine layout work or cartography … very shallow breathing, sometimes even stopping to breathe for quite long times. Guess I could perhaps be a good apnea diver  But actually not really funny.At least meanwhile I notice and then I first take some deep breaths and try to breathe consciously for at least a few minutes. |
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| Author: | Bonobo [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breathing |
Forgive me, please, for doing the Ingrid here  I’d like to know whether this is possibly a side effect of being a smoker … since smoking means to learn to submit the natural flow of breath, the rhythm of expanding and contracting, to the need to keep the ember (?) smouldering … which also means that we (smokers) supress natural physical response ( breathing) to emotional ongoings. Nobody I know can laugh or cry with smoke in their breathing system … One of the strongest reasons I want to stop smoking. Greetings, Tom |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:33 pm ] |
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wineandgolover wrote: I often stop breathing while reading in live games. Yes, it means your mind and your body are not quite "in one," at least not in live Go.PeterHB wrote: Go for a 40 minute run before your game. Similar to Peter's suggestion: with regular (daily) vigorous cardiovascular exercises,the breathing will naturally be in better shape, all the time. In Go or otherwise. During reading or otherwise. Bonobo wrote: Nobody I know can laugh or cry with smoke in their breathing system Even with super clean non-smoking healthy lungs, when we are very sad, during deep mourning,in very serious crying, we also "forget" to breathe -- thus the sudden, involuntary "choking," "hicuppy" style of inhales to suck in air during the deep crying. Bonobo wrote: Same here when I do extremely fine layout work or cartography...very shallow breathing, Yes. Breathing is one direct link between our "conscious" and "sub-conscious" minds --some martial artists (and athletes) have known this for thousands of years.  For example, in kendo (is Nick-1 here? ), during a cut, the exhale matters.In judo, aikido, and wrestling, during a throw -- whether you're the throw-er or throw-ee (faller) -- the exhale matters (same reasons). Very curious to hear from experienced pianists about their breathing during a performance. |
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breathing |
wineandgolover wrote: I have a dilemma somewhat related to Robert's "Oxygen" thread. Oddly enough, I often stop breathing while reading in live games. I have no idea why, but suspect I am just over-focused, to the point of shutting down this "involuntary" reflex. This causes me intense headaches at tournaments. These headaches have gotten worse as I've gotten stronger and try to read deeper. My solution is to record the game, as this non-reading activity allows me to breathe every move. Obviously this is insufficient because I still get headaches. This doesn't happen to me online. Like Robert, I'd appreciate suggestions. Hold a wine cork between your teeth. (A tip I picked up from violin players. )
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| Author: | wineandgolover [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breathing |
Bonobo wrote: Forgive me, please, for doing the Ingrid here I’d like to know whether this is possibly a side effect of being a smoker … since smoking means to learn to submit the natural flow of breath, the rhythm of expanding and contracting, to the need to keep the ember (?) smouldering … which also means that we (smokers) supress natural physical response ( breathing) to emotional ongoings. Nobody I know can laugh or cry with smoke in their breathing system … One of the strongest reasons I want to stop smoking. Greetings, Tom I can't use this excuse. I'm a non-smoker. |
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| Author: | wineandgolover [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:34 pm ] |
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EdLee wrote: wineandgolover wrote: I often stop breathing while reading in live games. Yes, it means your mind and your body are not quite "in one," at least not in live Go.PeterHB wrote: Go for a 40 minute run before your game. Similar to Peter's suggestion: with regular (daily) vigorous cardiovascular exercises,the breathing will naturally be in better shape, all the time. In Go or otherwise. During reading or otherwise. I can't disagree with your first point, but I run quite a bit, so I doubt that's it. Mind you, I had a cold for the ten days leading up to Congress and got very little exercise. But it happens every year (the breathing thing, not the cold). What else can I do to bring my mind and body "in one?" (Never seen Nick-1 here, sadly) Thanks, buddy. |
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| Author: | wineandgolover [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breathing |
Bill Spight wrote: Hold a wine cork between your teeth. That could give me a psychological edge, too.
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| Author: | TheBigH [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breathing |
Bonobo wrote: Same here when I do extremely fine layout work or cartography … very shallow breathing, sometimes even stopping to breathe for quite long times. That's probably because, when doing very delicate work, you can't afford any needless motions. You don't want to blow on the page, or have the motion of your chest as you breathe in and out impart needless movements to your arms and hands. |
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| Author: | ez4u [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breathing |
wineandgolover wrote: Bill Spight wrote: Hold a wine cork between your teeth. That could give me a psychological edge, too. Just make sure you don't lean over and drool on the board. 
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| Author: | Phelan [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breathing |
One of the things I do to calm down during a game of go is to breathe slowly and consciously, and focus on my breathing. If you make it a habit, it might might supersede the breath holding instinct you have? I'm not sure, as I haven't gotten that effect to that point, just shallow breathing. The above helps with shallow breathing, I think. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:19 pm ] |
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wineandgolover wrote: What else can I do to bring my mind and body "in one?" Very good question.One short and funny (but zen) answer: if you stand up, and just jump in place -- doesn't have to be high, even just an inch off the floor is OK -- during the very brief moment you land, your mind and body are in one. Another example of breathing -- US Open 2013 tennis -- R. Nadal vs. R. Harrison -- every time they hit the ball, they're exhaling.
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| Author: | EdLee [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:20 pm ] |
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Phelan wrote: breathe slowly and consciously, and focus on my breathing. That's quite good, Phelan. And not just for Go, either.
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| Author: | Phelan [ Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Breathing |
Bill Spight wrote: wineandgolover wrote: I have a dilemma somewhat related to Robert's "Oxygen" thread. Oddly enough, I often stop breathing while reading in live games. I have no idea why, but suspect I am just over-focused, to the point of shutting down this "involuntary" reflex. This causes me intense headaches at tournaments. These headaches have gotten worse as I've gotten stronger and try to read deeper. My solution is to record the game, as this non-reading activity allows me to breathe every move. Obviously this is insufficient because I still get headaches. This doesn't happen to me online. Like Robert, I'd appreciate suggestions. Hold a wine cork between your teeth. (A tip I picked up from violin players. )So, I find it amusing that if someone is talking too much, people tell him to put a cork in it. And in this particular case, he's being too silent, by not even breathing, and people still tell him to put a cork in it. 
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| Author: | EdLee [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:47 am ] |
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Bonobo wrote: One of the strongest reasons I want to stop smoking. City birds and cigarette butts |
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