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Post #21 Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:44 am 
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oren wrote:
If an entire game took 45 mins, many would consider that a "fast" game. :)
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sorry, 45 min per player.
45 mins. per player is still too fast for me. :)

Having said that, fast and slow are relative and it really depends on the individual.
To accurately diagnose whether someone is really playing too fast or too slow
(for their own good), I think we have to look at their games -- not just one game --
and look at how much time they spend on each move (and the move itself),
and go from there.

Around 10k, maybe it's OK to say 2 hours per person is too slow
and 3 second per move is too fast. But anything in between...? :)

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Post #22 Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:16 pm 
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Mivo wrote:
... the biggest "problem" with Go is all that ballast and baggage that is attached to it. The belief that it's not just a game or recreational activity, but this huge, meaningful test of one's mental prowess, ...

I totally agree.

I love it when I meet "normal" people (non-computer/physics/scientific people), with just average IQ's who are really, really good at this game. Truck drivers, lawyers, artists, etc... little kids.


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Post #23 Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:19 pm 
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It is possible to not be mentally prepared for go: e.g., some people might not be able to do reading at all. If you can do this, then everything else (such as considering groups of stones as objects or strategy) is simpler.

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Post #24 Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:30 pm 
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xed_over wrote:
Mivo wrote:
... the biggest "problem" with Go is all that ballast and baggage that is attached to it. The belief that it's not just a game or recreational activity, but this huge, meaningful test of one's mental prowess, ...

I totally agree.

I love it when I meet "normal" people (non-computer/physics/scientific people), with just average IQ's who are really, really good at this game. Truck drivers, lawyers, artists, etc... little kids.

Eh. Could we say that go is a huge, meaningless test of mental prowess? Would that satisfy everyone?

I'm unclear on the idea that the IT guy I call when pine isn't working correctly is less "normal" than the artist whose work I see in the Guggenheim. Surely the interest in go among computer people is connected to the status of go within AI research, and the interest in go among math people to its status within game theory.

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Post #25 Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:05 am 
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His mention of IQs might make sense given that they usually measure the more traditional view of intelligence.

But disregarding that qualifier, I find it more interesting when I find Go players from less geeky fields. I think Portugal's case might be different from other cases in that for a long time, the best player is an artist and makes his living at that. He might still be the best player, but right now it's not so easy to tell.

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