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| Author: | mic [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Simple question regarding Tesuji by Davies |
Hi, maybe it's the time but I can't see why White's response for Black 1 prevent's Black from cutting (cf. p. 9). I've attached the diagram and my thoughts on White's responses. I am pretty sure I'm missing something obvious, but obviously can't see it  . Hence, any hints are appreciated.Cheers, mic |
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| Author: | daal [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Simple question regarding Tesuji by Davies |
I think you need to have another look at the book - the w2 that works is on t14 not t13 :p |
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| Author: | mic [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Simple question regarding Tesuji by Davies |
daal wrote: I think you need to have another look at the book - the w2 that works is on t14 not t13 :p I know, sorry, should have stated my question better: the book says that "only White a [W2] is at all tricky, (it invites a mistake in which Black captures two of the White stones but misses the rest)." I can't seem to find a play in which W can sucessfully connect if Black makes a mistakes which would gain him two of the stones. Any hints appreciated Cheers, mic |
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| Author: | daal [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Simple question regarding Tesuji by Davies |
Ah, now I see what you mean. For what it's worth, I can't find a refutation to b3 at s14 either... |
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| Author: | Toge [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Simple question regarding Tesuji by Davies |
The "best result" that the book gives (page 12, dia 19) is actually false. Edit: I see that it's explained on next page |
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| Author: | Prodigious [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Simple question regarding Tesuji by Davies |
I guess this is the mistake the tiger's mouth invites. edit: Well, one of these two |
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| Author: | mic [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Simple question regarding Tesuji by Davies |
Hello Prodigious & Toge, thanks for your extensive replies. But I am especially interested in the mistake which lead Black gain two points but let white connect (see citation in my post above). According to the book this should be possible after W answered with T13 after Black S15. Any hints are really appreciated. Another possibility might be that I understand the cited passage totally wrong. In this case I'd appreciate another interpretation. Cheers, mic |
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| Author: | gogameguru [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Simple question regarding Tesuji by Davies |
After getting the book out and reading the text, I came up with the same variation Prodigious showed (i.e. S15, T13, R15, T15). Black captures two stones and white connects under. |
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| Author: | lindentree [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Simple question regarding Tesuji by Davies |
Prodigious wrote: I guess this is the mistake the tiger's mouth invites. edit: Well, one of these two In your second variation, why S13 instead of T14? |
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| Author: | Prodigious [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Simple question regarding Tesuji by Davies |
lindentree wrote: Prodigious wrote: I guess this is the mistake the tiger's mouth invites. edit: Well, one of these two In your second variation, why S13 instead of T14? Well, T14 works, of course. I was trying to find a mistake that fits the description.
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| Author: | mic [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Simple question regarding Tesuji by Davies |
Hi, I'd like to thank all commenters on answering my question. In the end, we understood each other and your explanations were quite helpful! Cheers, mic |
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