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Author:  go-master [ Wed May 08, 2013 1:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Question regarding order of stones in teaching diagrams
On for example Sensei's Libray, if there is a picture of some stones and one is completely black, another one is white with a red circle in it, and then there are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 with 1, 3 and 5 being black and the rest white, when were the stones without numbers played?

This example is under "Continuing in the corners" at senseis.xmp.net/?Joseki

My guess: first the black without number, then the white with a red circle, then the sequence.
Author:  skydyr [ Wed May 08, 2013 1:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Question regarding order of stones in teaching diagrams
I don't see the example you mentioned on the page you gave. That said, the 1-6 are the sequence you should care about once the extra stones have appeared on the board somehow. The implication is usually that you don't follow up with 1-6 right away, but save it for the endgame or some other point later on.

EDIT:
I think I found your page here... http://senseis.xmp.net/?BeginnersGuideToTheOpening

On this page, the black stone is the initial corner move, the white stone is the approach that breaks up the enclosure that is talked about a bit above there, and the numbered moves that follow are one possible joseki that continues from that point.
Author:  HermanHiddema [ Wed May 08, 2013 1:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Question regarding order of stones in teaching diagrams
I guess you're referring to this: http://senseis.xmp.net/?BeginnersGuideToTheOpening#toc5

For any stones without number it is generally considered unimportant when and in what order they got there, unless there is a reference in the text, or perhaps a previous diagram, showing their order. And even then, their order is no longer relevant to the current diagram.

In the diagram you mentioned, the text mentions that :wc: prevented black from making an enclosure, so it is specified to have happened after the :black: move at the 3-4 point. But if it had happened the other way around, i.e. :wc: was already present at the 4-5 point, and black played :black: at 3-4 afterwards, the sequence :b1: through :w6: would still be equally valid in that position.

Markers like :wc: :ws: :wt: :wx: are used to be able to talk about specific stones or groups of stones in accompanying text without having to refer to coordinates, which are often consider clumsy.
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