Thank you all for your comments. I've made a few replies below.
Probably the biggest thing I take from this conversation is the importance of being able to count in order to make cogent decisions about follow up play. I've gotten a lot better about making estimates while playing, but I rarely try to count the exact score. In a position like this, that can be important. This nicely reinforces on of Kageyama's fundamental lessons.
By the way, one thing I didn't mention: there were no handicap stones, but there was also no komi, so what does need to win the points on the board.
EdLee wrote:
What do you mean ? The lower right corner is already W's.
I meant the lower left corner... just a typo.
EdLee wrote:
You mention the right side twice already —
but the right side is small. Because of W's massive thickness there,
B will not make anything big there. That's why the biggest area
is the LL corner.
but the right side is small. Because of W's massive thickness there,
B will not make anything big there. That's why the biggest area
is the LL corner.
Yes, I was thinking that black would solidify his moyo before the corner, but that is probably the wrong order of moves.
Abyssinica wrote:
I don't know how to roughly count, so I just approximate what the score would be if white gets everything he currently has and black gets everything he currently "has". I did not count the borders of territory nor did I count much for the top part of black's moyo. I just added 5 for it. Maybe it's not such a good eye to look at open areas and groups and give them values of 5 and 10, but I do it.
White 84.5
Black 103
is my estimate, ignoring captures. That's assuming white doesn't erase black's centre.
KGS score estimator (Though I had to add a few more black and white stones to the right before it counted those as dead, gives it as B+13.5 which is almost consistant with my counting.
White 84.5
Black 103
is my estimate, ignoring captures. That's assuming white doesn't erase black's centre.
KGS score estimator (Though I had to add a few more black and white stones to the right before it counted those as dead, gives it as B+13.5 which is almost consistant with my counting.
Yes, this is the main point... white has solid territory and good thickness, but he can't play passively or he will still lose. I understand that white should win in this position, but I was curious about the right order of moves to make sure that large black area doesn't become territory.
Dusk Eagle wrote:
Comments that understand kyu play...
Thanks for your comment. This is very much a game that I could still lose even if I should not. Very few positions are entirely safe for a 9 kyu! I'll probably go up a couple stones in strength when I can regularly win games where I am clearly ahead.
shawipp wrote:
Helpful diagram...
Thank you, schawipp for marking some of the key points! I saw a, b, c, and f, but I don't think I noticed how the move at e expands my territory and threatens the cut.