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Non standard joseki question.
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Author:  Krama [ Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Non standard joseki question.
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[go]$$c What does white do now?.
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Would white simply play Q18?
Author:  Uberdude [ Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Non standard joseki question.
r18 is much better shape. Then you can aim for n17 and q14.

I remember Dinerstein played it in his famous win against O Rissei 9p.
http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/3120
Author:  leichtloeslich [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Non standard joseki question.
Listen to the dude, this is generally an awful exchange:
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[go]$$W
$$ ------------+
$$ . . . . . . |
$$ . 2 1 . a . |
$$ . X . O . . |
$$ . . X X O . |
$$ . . . . O . |
$$ . . . . . . |
$$ . . . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . |[/go]

It fixes black's top while you'll have to come back to fix the weakness at "a".

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[go]$$B Only one eye locally
$$ ------------+
$$ . . 7 . 4 . |
$$ . X O 2 1 5 |
$$ . X . O 3 8 |
$$ . . X X O 6 |
$$ . . . . O . |
$$ . . . . . . |
$$ . . . X 9 . |
$$ . . . . . . |[/go]


Basically I think you should only ever play q18 if you intend to immediately take gote to play s18 afterwards. That will hopefully make you more reluctant to make that "fake sente" q18 exchange.
Author:  Krama [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Non standard joseki question.
Thank you for your suggestions :D
Author:  shapenaji [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Non standard joseki question.
Or :) you can get fancy:

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[go]$$W
$$ --------------+
$$ . . . . . . . |
$$ . 2 1 3 . . . |
$$ . 4 X . O . . |
$$ . . . X X O . |
$$ . . . . . O . |
$$ . . . 5 . . . |
$$ . . . . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$W
$$ --------------+
$$ . . . , . . . |
$$ 8 7 1 2 4 . . |
$$ . 6 X 3 O 5 . |
$$ . . 9 X X O . |
$$ . . . . . O . |
$$ . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . |[/go]
Author:  Krama [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Non standard joseki question.
So :b7: is not exactly the best response?
Author:  Uberdude [ Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Non standard joseki question.
Krama wrote:
So :b7: is not exactly the best response?


Indeed, should r18 clamp first.
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