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Post #1 Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:27 pm 
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I would like some one to do a play for play with me some one strong I have a question about a move to play...
I am currently watching The 55th Kansi Ki-in Best Player Challenger's Tournament, Sakai Gosei (W) vs Yuki Tengen

And I have a question or curiosity of moves..
so far as a few moves ago





Now what if this... Prefferably some on strong ( mid-D if possible) play the next move ill even go along with a few people but I see alot of hope for black in this area. I see alot of good variations. but some one play the next move for whit I want to see what I can get this way.
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There are countless other variations I cam up with but this is what I get mostly.
I had someone tell me O3 was bad for black yes he dosent get outer influence but he gets better results than what he did in actual game.

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 Post subject: Re: The 55th Kansai Ki-in (BPCT) Move questions.
Post #2 Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:43 pm 
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in most of your variations, it seems to me that black lives small and white get outside influence

I like black's move 41 in the game better.

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Post #3 Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:56 pm 
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Yea I understand the outer influence, in a few of the var. it a bit thin and probably could be fought against but I was looking at it that it puts more pressure on whites stone in the corner also. But also shows the difference in my level comparied to a pro.

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The black group around :b1: is very heavy, has no eye shape and no real potential to attack something. :w2: is sente against the corner and prohibits the connection.

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