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Offline gogameguru
 Post subject: Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Post #101 Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:45 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . 3 1 2 . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 4 . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OK, let's keep going then. Next move anyone?

And do you prefer black or white here?

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Offline hyperpape
 Post subject: Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Post #102 Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:05 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . W . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This is my move. I really can't tell who I favor. Both sides have a lot of stones that just feel awkward.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Post #103 Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:54 am 
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it is either a or b. i will go with b
and i am very confidient that white is ahead by comfortable margin.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . 3 1 2 . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . b X 4 . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . a . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Post #104 Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:00 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . 3 1 2 . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 4 . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So black has sente. What should he do with it?

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Offline tj86430
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Post #105 Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:09 am 
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Post #106 Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:02 am 
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lower right corner.
take the stone in sente?

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Offline daniel_the_smith
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Post #107 Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:16 am 
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C6, because I have no idea what to do in this position.

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Offline gogameguru
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Post #108 Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:51 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 1 . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Offline Dusk Eagle
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Post #109 Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:21 pm 
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The only reason I'm seriously considering white not connecting is because you didn't post it as an automatic response. :)

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #110 Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:49 pm 
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there is no reason not to connect.
peeping doesnt do any good for black IMO.
i think white will connect.

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Offline hyperpape
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Post #111 Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:13 pm 
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That David didn't post the response makes me second guess myself, but I see no way around connecting.

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Offline topazg
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Post #112 Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:29 am 
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Ok, I'll throw out a random alternative resistance

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 2 1 . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #113 Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:59 am 
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I don't want to connect, those white stones don't seem that big. I want to play M9. But maybe I'd connect anyway.

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Offline SoDesuNe
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Post #114 Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:05 am 
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I think when Black is able to plainly cut White, he will get the better result.
I shortly thought about letting Black cut, White connects and if Black doesn't answer, White can push and cut through. Then I saw that Black can squeeze White in taking out the stones on the right, isolating White's center stones. Guess that's not good.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . 5 O X X 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 O 2 4 X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 3 . X 1 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Furthermore, if White doesn't want to connect tightly, he has to reduce the Black stone's liberties or defend around 'a' because of this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . 5 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . a . O 4 . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 1 3 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe now White could get some forcing moves to settle his shape but Black is thick all over and has a bit chunk of points now.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 1 . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, I like this one. I think Black can't cut now in Sente since White will push and cut through saving his group.

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Offline gogameguru
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Post #115 Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:25 pm 
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SuDesuNe has it! :)

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[go]$$Bcm49
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 1 . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #116 Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:22 pm 
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black can not cut..
see below.
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 1 3 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


play as below. has something to do with ladder breaker a-b-c
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[go]$$Bcm49
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . b a . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . c . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 1 . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #117 Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:37 pm 
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Yes, the peep doesn't look so good now.

The commentary said that the peep (33) was played too late. According to them, the best time to peep was this:

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[go]$$Wcm32 The timing of the peep
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 2 3 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White said he would've played 36 in that case, giving black time to finish the corner.

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Post #118 Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:25 pm 
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gogameguru wrote:
Yes, the peep doesn't look so good now.

The commentary said that the peep (33) was played too late. According to them, the best time to peep was this:

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[go]$$Wcm32 The timing of the peep
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 2 3 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White said he would've played 36 in that case, giving black time to finish the corner.

even that i dont agree... in above diag..that peep didnt do anything for black.
it made the black's side weaker if any...

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black can not cut..
see below.
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[go]$$Bcm49
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 1 3 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


play as below. has something to do with ladder breaker a-b-c
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[go]$$Bcm49
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . b a . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . c . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 1 . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 6 . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 7 4 5 . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 . . O . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Is there a ladder?

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . a . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 4 5 . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is more thrilling, I guess. But this would have worked before. Though the peep at 'a' seems to have bad Aji now.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X 9 X . . O . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . 3 5 7 8 , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O 2 4 6 X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This sure looks aweful crude but I don't think it is easy to play for Black.


Other question:

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[go]$$Bcm49
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O 4 a X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 1 3 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . b . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . b . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . c c . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can't help but think that if White just connects when Black cuts, he will be better off. If Black tries to grab the two White stones (around 'b'), White will connect his whole group ('a'). Maybe Black will then play 'c' to go for a Moyo, but I don't think it will be very big.

Nevertheless now I would play C6, too ^^

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Post #120 Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:48 am 
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Magicwand wrote:
black can not cut..
see below.
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[go]$$Bcm49
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 1 3 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


play as below. has something to do with ladder breaker a-b-c
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[go]$$Bcm49
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . b a . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . c . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 1 . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 6 . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 7 4 5 . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 . . O . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Is there a ladder?

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . a . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 4 5 . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is more thrilling, I guess. But this would have worked before. Though the peep at 'a' seems to have bad Aji now.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X 9 X . . O . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . 3 5 7 8 , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O 2 4 6 X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This sure looks aweful crude but I don't think it is easy to play for Black.


Other question:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm49
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O 4 a X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 1 3 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . b . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . b . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . c c . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can't help but think that if White just connects when Black cuts, he will be better off. If Black tries to grab the two White stones (around 'b'), White will connect his whole group ('a'). Maybe Black will then play 'c' to go for a Moyo, but I don't think it will be very big.

Nevertheless now I would play C6, too ^^

good analysis..
well done.

that only proves i dont read too much :)
but i would have read before commiting myself to that hole.

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