there is something that smells in asian game.

cyclops · **#141**

Sportmanship does it allow mirrorgo? For me it feels a little bit like cheating but I do not see good reasons to forbid it or to disapprove it strongly.

HermanHiddema · **#142**

cyclops wrote:

Sportmanship does it allow mirrorgo? For me it feels a little bit like cheating but I do not see good reasons to forbid it or to disapprove it strongly.

Although not illegal, it is widely frowned upon.

When Fujisawa Hosai used it regularly, many pros tried to convince him that mirror go was anti-social, by complaining about him or refusing to play him.*

cyclops · **#143**

one prisoner as penalty each time you make a symmetrical position. Nobody proposed such a thing? I think if you are too lazy to forbid it you should accept it.

Laman · **#144**

cyclops wrote:

one prisoner as penalty each time you make a symmetrical position. Nobody proposed such a thing? I think if you are too lazy to forbid it you should accept it.

i don't think we need such artificial rule (either the prisoner or forbid symmetrical position). if you imagine game where one side is strictly mirroring, black clearly lose, because he won't overcome white's komi. for white mirroring, black can just prepare his position and then play tengen.

Fujisawa Hosai (and also Go Seigen) showed manego is not advantageous at top level and at amateur (kyu) level it at most ensures that you won't fall much behind, but at some moment you have to deviate and then the real game begins.

in my opinion, go wouldn't be very good game if you could win with only copying your opponent's moves. however, some time ago, i wondered how big free-placed handicap would black need to win only by manego. perhaps 8 (or less, 6?), arranged around tengen would do the job. other thing is politeness of such play, and it is pretty sure you wouldn't convince the "victim" to play you again. i believe this and lose of others' respect should be enough punishment

cyclops · **#145**

But then, would go be a very good game if it depends on group pressure to enforce some unwritten rules to keep it pleasant/ competitive. Well, maybe I shouldn't try to repeat the main discussion in this thread. After all it seems manego is not beneficial for advanced players.

HermanHiddema · **#146**

cyclops wrote:

one prisoner as penalty each time you make a symmetrical position. Nobody proposed such a thing? I think if you are too lazy to forbid it you should accept it.

Why? There are plenty of legal moves that I will not accept.

there is something that smells in asian game.

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