i feel that if you can learn to play go then you are smart enough to figure out what that format is..

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Als je slim genoeg bent om go te leren, ben je vast ook slim genoeg om de Nederlandse taal te leren.

EDIT: Anyway, as an example:

On 09-10-11 I played two tournament games. Can you, based on the European Go Database, tell me what the tournament was, and who my opponents were?

Thanks for your posts, trout. I for one find it much easier to parse your preferred date format than I would Korean.

Herman, is it possible that you don't realize that in American English we say the date as (e.g.) "october 31st, 2011"? The fact that you find it easier to understand another format is neither here nor there. It's not a question of logic or mathematical analysis, it's a question of language.

Well, I asked that something like "Nov 2, 2011" be used, but apparently that is unreadable for Americans?

Please just drop the date thing.

trout does a great service to these forums by keeping us all up to date on Go news that we might not otherwise hear about. Let him post the date in the format he's comfortable with because it's really not that important.

We've already had John Fairbairn leave these forums, due mainly to pedantry, in recent times. If everyone could be a bit more patient and less critical, we'll hopefully avoid seeing more people leave.

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Ah, well some people just need to get a thicker skin. Somebody hurt their feelings so they took their marbles and went home... well, I think that's too bad for them. I think perhaps the greater loss is theirs. Their contributions will be missed, but the world goes on.

Most people here don't intend to personally offend anyone else here, so people should stop taking such personal offense at every little remark.

There have been many, many other posts/threads where I've started to reply, but by the time I typed out my response, someone else replied ahead of me, only to realize that I totally and completely misread the original post and I would have been completely embarrassed had I hit submit. Its far too easy to misread someone's intentions from these short interactions.

trout is indeed doing a marvelous service, but his chosen date format does indeed suck. Its ambiguous and hard to read. But if he doesn't want to change it, then that is his choice.

I'm sure that few, if anyone at all, intended personal offense in this thread. So take the advice and change, or ignore the advice and continue on. Either way, it doesn't really matter.

I'll probably regret this post (and make new enemies), but I'm so tired of people's whining that they can't get their way, so they leave in a feeble attempt to punish us all. This is a public forum -- you don't get your way -- you express your opinion, and some people will agree while others disagree. If you want to leave, then leave -- but there's no need to tell us all about it (although its nice to know that you aren't ill or dead yet).

Thanks I could not have put it better myself. I and obviously various other people are sooooo tired of the whining about the date format. If people insist, they should please take it to the "Site suggestions..." where it (might?) belong.

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Won Seongjin defeated Chen Yaoe by resign.
Gu Li won against Na Hyun by resign.
** Very interesting game. Na Hyun chased big dragon but got only got tail and wasn't enough.

2nd game will be played 11/2/11. Tomorrow is off day.

Must win 2 out of 3 games to advance to final.

While I too am ticked off by people leaving because apparently they are offended, I must admit that I'm glad that I don't have such a prominent and important position in the go community that people would criticize me for not adequately meeting their demands. Mandating thick skins is not a viable solution.



I speak no Dutch, but how's this for a translation:

"Since you are clever enough to learn go, you are almost clever enough to learn Dutch."

This is perhaps a bit tricker than 11.08.12 and I probably got something wrong, but we really do appreciate that you generally write in English. If others could write English as well as you generally do, we would rarely have a problem with ambiguous announcements.



I live in Europe, but how's this for a translation:

"Semi-final: October 31, 2011, November 2-3, 2011."

@ trout: Everybody is interested in your announcements. In principle, that's what we are all saying. Thanks for keeping us informed.

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Yes, but replace "almost" with "probably".



I can translate the dates just fine, provided I know the format. The trick is knowing the format. How do I know whether trout uses mm/dd/yy or dd/mm/yy? If none of the numbers is higher than 12, the best hint would be to know his nationality, but since he provides no such info in his profile, and his username provides no clue either, I have to guess. Using an abbreviation for the month (Jan/Feb/Mar) is always unambiguous, and I don't have to go and make guesses about the nationality of the author.

Really, all I'm asking is that people communicate clearly. I would have the same problem with someone who constantly uses obscure Japanese go terms instead of common English ones. Although such terms are theoretically the same thing, and you can look up what it means, it fails to communicate clearly.

PS: I do agree with daal's final statement, I appreciate the info, I would just appreciate it more if I didn't have to go puzzling what it meant.

[opposite-day]Dangerous idea! We all remember how John Fairbairn loved to use obscure Japanese terms when good old English terms were easier, and people criticized him and made him leave the boards.[/opposite-day]

P.S. This is going to be really pedantic, but this argument about how to format dates is not pedantic. Even if you want the whole discussion to go away, you have to admit that trout's format is kinda unreadable (I'm a yank, and *I* get confused by the way people write dates in the US), while Herman's is really readable. The whole thing about pedantry is that it's fussing over details when they lack any obvious impact. Like this postscript.

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On topic, I think it's interesting (and good!) that Samsung isn't just a straight single-elimination like most international cups. Not only are they the only cup to have a double-elimination group stage in the prelims, but they also have best-of-three semifinals in addition to the more standard best-of-three finals. It makes it less likely in general that a good player will eliminated from a single bad loss.

In this tournament in particular, Na Hyun 1d lost to Park Yeonghun in the prelim rounds, but because of the format he was able to come through the losers bracket all the way to semi-finals, an exciting result for a 1d that wouldn't have happened otherwise. And because it's Bo3 semis, he still has a chance to go on even after losing this game to Gu Li.

I actually find the "date format debate" to be perversely entertaining.

I really want to be a Gu Li fan, but I always worry that I'm going to go into cardiac arrest when I watch his games. And I have low-normal blood pressure.

Na Hyun has an interesting solid style. Reminds me of Kong Jie for some reason.

Off day activity,


Samsung training center where Samsung cup is being held.


Many BIBA students and KPMC participants came to watch Samsung cup.




They are playing Traditional Korean Football.


These pictures shows Na Hyun playing.




Won Seongjin smiling after game.


Dinner chow time.

Gu Li won over Na Hyun by resign and advanced to final.

Chen Yaoe looks to be winning by few points.
There will be 3rd game.

And Chen Yaoye defeated Won Seongjin, which ties them at 1-1. The deciding match is tomorrow.

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Won Seongjin defeated Chen Yaoe by 7.5.

So many KO!!!!!!!!!! This game was really unpredictable.

Final will be played from 12/06/11, 12/08/11 and 12/09/11.




Chen Yaoe


Won Seongjin


Reporters are taking picture.

All of these picture is from TYGEM.
http://www.cyberoro.com/news/news_view.oro?num=515852

I thought Chen was going to reach the final. I went to get dinner and when I came back he'd lost.

Chen's been in good form this year. I'm not sure about Won Seongjin though. I don't know as much about him, but his play was impressive.

Here are some more photos (if you're not bored yet ) and game records from the 16th Samsung Cup semifinals.

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