Backpack wrote:
I´ve never seen move 8 but it appears to be playable.
Well... Obviously.
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| Author: | oren [ Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Honinbo Game 3 |
Ok who predicted move 8? First day through lunch... Iyama on Black. Ida on White. It's always good when the commentator has to say "This is not a mistake in recording" |
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| Author: | Backpack [ Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honinbo Game 3 |
I´ve never seen move 8 but it appears to be playable. |
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| Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honinbo Game 3 |
I'm going to play this in every game I can at my Go club tonight just to get reactions, even if it isn't appropriate in my circumstances. P.S. The game can be followed here: http://mimiaka.meteor.com/live-games |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honinbo Game 3 |
Nice to see Ida experimenting with an unusual move in a top game. My prior understanding of it is that it's a bit of a trick: if black attaches to try cutting it off (most people's instinct) then white wedges and without the ladder black is unhappy. It's covered in Lee Chang Ho's book 'How to handle hamete'. The easy answer is 3-3: then if white pulls back it's like you answered the normal slide at 3-3 and white pushed into the corner instead of extending on the side, which is usually inferior. Or white can wedge in and it reverts to attaching on the corner and hane. I suppose on this board the point is black wouldn't answer the slide at 3-3 but pincer or attach on the outside, but also if black did 3-3 white would surely extend on the side rather than push in the corner? I guess Ida researched it and liked that fancy 1st line move he got later that threatens a ko or corner life. Tenuki (with ladder threat) was a nice answer by Iyama. |
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| Author: | Knotwilg [ Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honinbo Game 3 |
See http://senseis.xmp.net/?BQM561 |
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| Author: | Pippen [ Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honinbo Game 3 |
Uberdude wrote: The easy answer is 3-3: then if white pulls back it's like you answered the normal slide at 3-3 and white pushed into the corner instead of extending on the side, which is usually inferior. Or white can wedge in and it reverts to attaching on the corner and hane. I suppose on this board the point is black wouldn't answer the slide at 3-3 but pincer or attach on the outside, but also if black did 3-3 white would surely extend on the side rather than push in the corner? I guess Ida researched it and liked that fancy 1st line move he got later that threatens a ko or corner life. Tenuki (with ladder threat) was a nice answer by Iyama. It was a light move white wouldn't answer, if e.g. black played at 3-3. Right from the beginning white probably had in mind to use that stone just as a bait trap to extend comfortably on the side while this very stone could still serve for some aji...and that's exactly what happened later in the game. By the way: It seems the game is on pause. When will it be continued? |
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| Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honinbo Game 3 |
It's 5:20am in Japan right now, so probably in a few hours from now. |
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| Author: | Bantari [ Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honinbo Game 3 |
Backpack wrote: I´ve never seen move 8 but it appears to be playable. Well... Obviously.
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| Author: | lemmata [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Honinbo Game 3 |
Ida's thoughts were published in an interview on Oro. He shows some of the variations he had in mind as well as his planned response to the 3-3 point. So we have it from the horse's mouth. Why did he play this move? He wanted to avoid a common joseki variation that he did not feel like playing. The usual recommendation for black is to play the 3-3 point. Ida had a planned response to this. Ida feared that Iyama would tenuki, which he did. |
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