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Author:  hiyayang [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Controversy at Samsung Cup
There was a bit controversy at the preliminary event of Samsung Cup that just concluded. After the referee counted the game and determined White won by half a point, Black disputed the result, claiming that she accidentally put a captured white stone back in White's bowl, which is probably true, given the fact that White filled the last dame and the komi was 6.5 (assuming no seki etc. I suppose). The referee asked them to replay the game to verify Black's claim, but White refused. In the end a rematch was ordered to settle the dispute.
Author:  cdybeijing [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Controversy at Samsung Cup
Interesting. I don't know much about the rules in high level events, but why does white have the right to ignore the referee's request to replay the game?
Author:  xed_over [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:44 pm ]
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I guess the preliminary games aren't recorded?
Author:  hyperpape [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:55 pm ]
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At least a few are: http://igo-kisen.hp.infoseek.co.jp/sc.html, but I don't know on what basis that's done.
Author:  freegame [ Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Controversy at Samsung Cup
Sounds like a weird situation as well as a weird solution.

Could they not just have counted the stones that were played? (stones on the board + captures)
This would quickly tell if there is a white stone "missing." (put back into the white bowl)

If my opponent had refused to replay the game, I would have refused a rematch :roll:
Author:  Dusk Eagle [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:50 pm ]
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I agree with what the others said. What right does White have to refuse to replay the game?
Author:  Magicwand [ Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:17 pm ]
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rule is not chinese rule.
when korean player plays chinese rule we follow their rule.
now if chinese players are playing korean rule then they also must follow the rule which means keep your captured stone.
it can be considered as if the player take the ko without ko threat so disqualified. not following the rule.
but she got one more chance of rematch instead.(it really didnt help her because she still lost on that rematch)

i think rematch was fair decision.
Author:  DrStraw [ Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:48 am ]
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I have never heard of such a situation. Clearly both players knew the real outcome: they don't need stones in the bowl to tell them. So if white lost then he knew it. On the other hand, is seems unreasonable to think that black would make the claim if it were not true.

If white lost and refused to recount and black made a mistake and "lost" a stone then they are both at fault and, in my opinion, should probably both has lost the game. Given that the rules probably don't allow for that the replay probably seems like the best option. But I think the whole affair was not a pleasant one and reflects badly on both players.
Author:  hyperpape [ Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Controversy at Samsung Cup
DrStraw wrote:
If white lost and refused to recount and black made a mistake and "lost" a stone then they are both at fault and, in my opinion, should probably both has lost the game. Given that the rules probably don't allow for that the replay probably seems like the best option. But I think the whole affair was not a pleasant one and reflects badly on both players.


Well, I don't know how much discretion the ref has, but it's an option to give the next round opponent a bye.
Author:  tapir [ Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:48 am ]
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On kin go news, there is one game given with the result "both lost". Is it that game?
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