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Author:  Shenoute [ Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:04 am ]
Post subject:  Western pros vs. Kansai ki-in 1p's
Here are the sgf files of the games. Since the characters are not displayed correctly I am not sure who's the winner in each case. If I read it correctly, entry 938 on this website suggests Eric Lui and Artem Kachanovsky lost, while Gansheng Shi and Mateusz Szurma won.

Edit. Thanks to weiqiok.com, things are clearer:
Eric Lui (W) lost to Nishi Takenobu (B)
Artem Kachanovsky (B) lost to Yahata Naoki (W)
Gansheng Shi (B) won against Arai Miyu (W)
Mateusz Szurma (W) won against Taguchi Misei (B)


Eric Lui vs. Nishi Takenobu 1p


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Author:  Shenoute [ Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:06 am ]
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Artem Kachanovsky vs. Yahata Naoki 1p


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Author:  Shenoute [ Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:07 am ]
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Gansheng Shi vs. Arai Miyu 1p


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Author:  Shenoute [ Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:09 am ]
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Mateusz Szurma vs. Taguchi Misei 1p


All files downloaded from the Kansai ki-in website.

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Author:  Uberdude [ Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:08 am ]
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Classic Mateusz, making loads of weak groups and then killing you back when you try too hard to kill his almost dead group. Nice grappling hook tesuji for 92 too.
Author:  Shenoute [ Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:20 am ]
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Uberdude wrote:
Classic Mateusz, making loads of weak groups and then killing you back when you try too hard to kill his almost dead group. Nice grappling hook tesuji for 92 too.

Ah, I haven't really looked at the games yet but this seems like an interesting skill to have :D
And what do you think of game 3 (Gansheng Shi vs. Arai Miyu), did she blunder in the endgame or was it a way to make the loss clear (the game looks quite close to me though)?
Author:  idontgetit [ Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:36 pm ]
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I just noticed, there's an American in the kansai Kiin, Francis Mayer? 1d. Does anyone know about him?
Honestly I was pleasantly surprised that western pros had two wins. But then I realized, the two wins were against female pros. Which is still impressive, but...
Author:  oren [ Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:51 pm ]
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idontgetit wrote:
I just noticed, there's an American in the kansai Kiin, Francis Mayer? 1d. Does anyone know about him?


http://senseis.xmp.net/?FrancisMeyer

He is one of a few 1p in Kansai Kiin who are "studying pros". They need to get enough wins to be normal pros.
Author:  DrStraw [ Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:10 pm ]
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Never heard the term "studying pro". What exactly does that mean if they are not normal pros?
Author:  oren [ Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Western pros vs. Kansai ki-in 1p's
DrStraw wrote:
Never heard the term "studying pro". What exactly does that mean if they are not normal pros?


I've been somewhat curious too. One of the pros who came to visit the US Go Congress recently got "promoted" to normal 1p after x number of wins.

http://kansaikiin.jp/subpage/kensyu.html

Here are the Japanese details. You can use google translate (or in your case duckduckgo translate?).
Author:  idontgetit [ Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:26 pm ]
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my japanese sucks, but from the first sentence, it sounds like it's for all pros who entered without being an insei?
Author:  oren [ Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:28 pm ]
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idontgetit wrote:
my japanese sucks, but from the first sentence, it sounds like it's for all pros who entered without being an insei?


Yes, but it means currently no longer insei. Francis was but became too old.
Author:  Uberdude [ Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Western pros vs. Kansai ki-in 1p's
I seem to recall Francis Meyer's mother is Japanese and father American which explains living in both countries. He came second in the 2010 US Open losing only to Myungwan Kim 9p (though I think his wins were against the usual top US amateurs rather than the young Chinese low dan pros at university common now).

A picture of him playing Myungwan Kim:
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Kansai Ki-in photo:
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Author:  Shenoute [ Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Western pros vs. Kansai ki-in 1p's
Had a closer look at Artem's game. It seems to me (fwiw) that black never really had a chance after white settled his H16 group. :w28: and :w30: are typically the kind of moves I'd never play since it seems like white will be cut into pieces. But magically white links all his stones and develops the right side... :w48: and :w52:, leaving aji, are interesting. White made good use of the aji later, starting with 176.
Author:  dhu163 [ Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:06 pm ]
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some amazing results from European pros lately. Here is a leela analysis up to move 76 of artem's game. w winning probability was already over 60%



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