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Author: | pajaro [ Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:27 am ] |
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Oooops! Sorry! I could nearly feel my head away from my body! |
Author: | tapir [ Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:18 pm ] |
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The heroine of this thread winning against Umezawa / Yoshihara Yukari in Female Honinbo. In her first April win. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3LvpxciK8I I am totally surprised to find Nihon Kiin livestreaming on youtube. |
Author: | silviu22 [ Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:48 am ] |
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Sumire had a big week, with 3 important wins. The 1st win on Apr 12 earned her the right to play in main Female Saikyo tournament, while her other two wins were in the major mixed tournament, so they count for promotion by wins and prize money. April updates are in blue. April games:
[2] Apr 5: Defeated Okada Yumiko 6p in Meijin 47. [3] Apr 12: Defeated Hiromi Mizuno 5p in Female Saikyo 6 [4] Apr 14: Defeated Hara Masakazu 3p in Kisei 46 [5] Apr 15: Defeated SAKAGUCHI, Ryuzo, 9p in Judan 60 Here is a summary of all her tournaments (she is out of tournaments with black names). She is still active in tournaments with red names: Major tournaments (eligible for prize money rule and promotion by wins):
Mixed tournaments counting towards promotion by wins:
Women-only or other tournaments not counting for promotion:
My calculations show her results to be as follows: In 2021: 18-2 (#2 in overall 2021 Japanese ranking by wins on gotoeveryone web site). In 2020: 21-17 Overall: 58-28 Go rating: 2952, #692 Promotion to 3p: 4 wins (40 required):
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Author: | John Fairbairn [ Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:14 pm ] |
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Sumire has been playing with the Japanese national squad in an internet match against Taiwan. In two rounds played so far, both Sumire and Ichiriki Ryo scored 2-0. Overall the match score was 3-3 in both rounds. Sumire beat Yang Zixuan 4-dan (female, 18) and Yu Lijun 3-dan (female, 21). Further rounds will be played at 2-monthly intervals, but maybe with different players. |
Author: | pajaro [ Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:39 pm ] |
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Sumire defeated Nobuta Shigehito in the #47 Meijin prelims. Next is Cho Sonjin. I wish it was another Cho |
Author: | botija [ Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:20 pm ] |
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pajaro wrote: Next is Cho Sonjin. I wish it was another Cho It looks like she has to win one more before Cho. She plays the winner of Komatsu Hideki vs Tanaka Yuki? Then Cho Sonjin, then Michael Redmond if she keeps winning. |
Author: | pajaro [ Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:03 am ] |
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botija wrote: It looks like she has to win one more before Cho. You are right. My mistake. If she ends up playing Michael Redmond, perhaps he will make a video. That would be nice. But there is still a long way before that. |
Author: | Shenoute [ Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:04 am ] | ||
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Her game against Goto Shungo in the 60th Judan was up on Tygem, not that common an occurrence for Japanese games outside of big titles finals (and even then...). I guess Sumire's results interest the Korean public too. Here is the game (possible transcription errors mine).
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Author: | John Fairbairn [ Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:44 am ] |
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Quote: I guess Sumire's results interest the Korean public too. Don't forget that Sumire has studied in Korea and speaks some Korean. |
Author: | Gaki [ Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:45 am ] |
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19 wins for only 2 losses 90% of victory, really impressive, I hope she keeps it up! |
Author: | Shenoute [ Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:48 am ] |
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John Fairbairn wrote: Quote: I guess Sumire's results interest the Korean public too. Don't forget that Sumire has studied in Korea and speaks some Korean. |
Author: | pajaro [ Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:42 am ] |
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Shenoute wrote: Her game against Goto Shungo in the 60th Judan was up on Tygem, not that common an occurrence for Japanese games outside of big titles finals (and even then...). I guess Sumire's results interest the Korean public too. Here is the game (possible transcription errors mine). I found this game interesting. Nowadays, it seems that AI style is everywhere, all players are playing 3-3 invasions early and so on. And from what I got from Michael Redmond's videos "AlphaGo vs. the world", it seems that AI style is territory oriented. Yes, there are different AI, AlphaGo itself has evolved,... But, even so, in this game black (the younger player) won with a big territory. I don't think it was the plan from the beggining, it was not Takemiya style (tm). From my point of view, the game just developed in that way. But the result was different to other games I have watched lately. |
Author: | John Fairbairn [ Mon May 03, 2021 12:40 am ] |
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Sumire has moved into the challengers' semi-finals of the ladies' 8th Aidu Chuo Hospital Tachiaoi Cup, having defeated Konishi Kauko 8-dan. She will now face Nyu Eiko 3-dan. If she makes it through to the final, she will be up against either Ueno Asami or Kato Chie. Sumire's quarter-final game was one of the queerest pro games I've ever seen - almost certainly the most one-sided. But not in the usual sense. In this case it was because 146 out of the first 156 moves were down side of the board, and mostly on the edges. On top of that, several of the moves made me blink in disbelief. Here is the one-sided portion - and even at this stage this side is still far from finished, with huge sacrifices by Sumire. Remember those bleating voices that said Sumire shouldn't have been allowed to become a pro by recommendation? |
Author: | Mike Novack [ Mon May 03, 2021 2:58 pm ] |
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John Fairbairn wrote: Remember those bleating voices that said Sumire shouldn't have been allowed to become a pro by recommendation? Yes, they have disappeared. But I have been thinking about this, that perhaps we misunderstand the real reason WHY this was done. Obviously, in spite of how her strength was (correctly) judged, one might have thought a short time as an insei wouldn't have hurt. Wouldn't have hurt HER. But what would it have done to the confidence of her fellow insei? |
Author: | John Fairbairn [ Tue May 04, 2021 4:31 am ] |
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Quote: Dingxin could be added to the list of early bloomers . . . But he's yet to win an international title. LG will be disappointed that you don't regard their cup as an international title. But mention of that brings up a very relevant point. Yang got a special promotion to 7-dan and the day after got promoted to 9-dan in 2019 for winning the LG Cup. The special promotions are ubiquitous now. But basically they are a form of promotion by recommendation, aren't they? |
Author: | kyulearner [ Thu May 06, 2021 1:17 am ] |
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Nakamura Sumire has just won the Kisei Prelims, goes into C league to have a (long) shot at the title. B+5.5 against Torii 3p. |
Author: | pajaro [ Thu May 06, 2021 5:23 am ] |
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kyulearner wrote: Nakamura Sumire has just won the Kisei Prelims, goes into C league to have a (long) shot at the title. If I am not mistaken, 14 wins and boom, she is Kisei. Funny fact: she would be allowed to lose more games in the title match (3) than in her way to become challenger (0). |
Author: | Shenoute [ Sun May 09, 2021 2:31 am ] | ||
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This just in, Sumire's game against Nyu Eiko in the Female Honinbo:
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Author: | John Fairbairn [ Mon May 10, 2021 12:41 am ] |
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It's been mentioned here that Sumire has won her way into Division C of the Kisei league. From what I've seen, the point being focused on is that she is female. Fine, but it seems more remarkable to me she is youngest player to achieve this - 12 years and 2 months. But, while reading about this achievement, I was rather more interested in a comment on how she is improving. Her Kisei achievement is not a one-off fluke. Her record this year is already 21-2 and she has an 11-game winning streak. According to pro opinion, what has made the difference from last year is that she is no longer making unreasonable attacks which end up leaving her own weaknesses exposed. It's fascinating that such a simple thing as a change in attitude can have such an impact even at pro level. |
Author: | pajaro [ Mon May 10, 2021 11:05 pm ] |
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I don't think the main point here is that she is female, but her age. The whole thread began with that, but well, your opinion. BTW, for those who really care that she is female, you can follow the achievements of Sumire and others in another interesting thread very easy to find About the change in attitude: your words reminded me of a video I saw some time ago, by Dr. Baduk. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VuBOrnk5UE The comment was the same: she was strong, she fought well, but she lost because at a certain point, she went for a wild attack that shouldn't work (and didn't). But if she could improve her judgement, she would be much stronger. Time has proved him right. And it is surprising that even at pro level, this can make such a difference. One tends to think that getting stronger means deeper reading ability, or proper counting, or knowing more joseki. But just making better choices (better direction of play) is an important skill too. |
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