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Author: | trout [ Sun May 12, 2019 5:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | IMSA World Masters |
5/14 Man's and Woman's team competition 1st and 2nd round 5/15 Man's and Woman's team competition 3rd and 4th round 5/16 Man's and Woman's team competition 5th round Pair 1st round 5/17 Pair 2nd round and 3rd round 5/18 Pair Final |
Author: | Uberdude [ Mon May 13, 2019 1:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters |
This will be a good opportunity to see the EGF and AGA pros playing some top Asian pros. Anyone know broadcast details? I'm guessing they'll be on Fox/Yike. From https://www.intergofed.org/igf-news-fee ... rules.html China: Ke Jie, Mi Yuting, Gu Zihao, Yu Zhiying, Wang Chenxing Japan: Murakawa Daisuke, Ida Atsushi, Motoki Katsuya, Mukai Chikai, Nyu Eiko Korea: Shin Jinseo, Lee Ji Hyun, Park Jeong Hwan, Choi Jeong, Oh Yujin Chinese Taipei: Yuan-Jyun Wang, Li-Hsiang Lin, Hao-Hung Hsu, Joanne Missingham, Hsin-Hui Pai Europe: Ilya Shikshin, Pavol Lisy, Mateusz Surma, Natalia Kovaleva, Ariane Ougier North America: Ryan Li, William Shi, Eric Lui, Xuefen Lin, Gabriella Su (Followers of the Transatlantic team timeout drama will note the opportunity for an Eric vs Mateusz rematch. Also the players/organisers will discuss that case in person there). My predictions: Men team: 1. China 2. Korea (but hard to call vs China, maybe Shin and Park can carry them) 3. Taiwan 4. Japan 5. Europe 6. North America Women team: 1. Korea 2. China 3. Taiwan 4. Japan 5. North America 6. Europe 3 and 4 close for men and women, Japan not sending their best otherwise they'd be 3. |
Author: | Mapleleaf [ Mon May 13, 2019 5:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters |
I see the schedules are as below: https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/gonews/detail/25031?type=1 Morning game starts at 9:30 and afternoon starts at 14:00. I don't think a Mateusz Vs Eric game will happen as Mateusz is Board 1 while Eric is in Broad 3. Europe plays North America in the 3rd round (May 15, 9:30am), Mateusz vs Ryan, Ilya vs Gansheng, Pavol vs Eric. PS. Mateusz is in a losing position against Park, but Ryan is slightly leading (black 67%) against Murakawa when I'm watching on Fox Go at the moment. |
Author: | Uberdude [ Mon May 13, 2019 9:36 pm ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters | ||
Here's the game Surma (white) vs Park. They had one of those complicated modern 3-3 invasion josekis which turned into a big fight which Park won. Variations are from FineArt (Jueyi) on Fox and me with LZ. Highlights: - a14 hane should h15 atari in middle, it's ok to not set up seki in corner because even if you die attacking top with l17 is big compensation and black has to watch his libs. f19 should also h15. - Park's h19 should be d18 - c19 big (-40%) mistake, should be h16 - but Park's h14 almost returns the favour (-26%) as it allows W to almost revent with the pleasing atari. Instead set up corner seki and extend at h15 to make nice eyeshape. FineArt agrees. - Surma j15 overplay. He presumably wanted black to directly atari without pushing once, so when black tried to improve on that resisted, but submitting was wiser. h12 turn still decent after. - k15 mistake is an interesting shape lesson I've seen before. Locally the move you want is j16 comedy empty triangle because it sets up the snapback shortage of libs at h17 which gives black a problem in taking a liberty for the corner semeai. LZ says best order is to probe first in corner, black ignores to capture outside 2 stones but their aji means white has effectively captured the corner because if he tries to make the seki then white breaks out k16. - r17 3-3 greedy as gote, centre fight balance of power bigger - d11 wrong shape, but it's hard fighting anyway and Park goes for the jugular. Attachment: surma park.PNG [ 175.15 KiB | Viewed 16571 times ]
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Author: | Uberdude [ Mon May 13, 2019 9:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters |
Some results from Fox: Women Joanne Missingham (TWN) beat Mukai Chiaki (JPN) Oh Yujin (KOR) beat Wang Chenxing (CHN) Choi Jeong (K) beat Yu Zhiying (C) Men Gu Zihao (C) beat Xu Haohong 6p (T) Ke Jie (C) beat Wang Yuanjun(T) Park Junghwan (K) beat Mateusz Surma (Eur) |
Author: | Uberdude [ Mon May 13, 2019 10:07 pm ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters | ||
Choi Jeong (Black) vs Yu Zhiying, the top 2 women in the world (but Oh Yujin is catching up).
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Author: | Uberdude [ Tue May 14, 2019 2:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters |
Some round 2 results: Men: Ke Jie (C) beat Park Junghwan (K) (as usual white won) Mi Yuting (C) beat Shin Jinseo (K) Gu Zihao (C) beat Lee Jihyun (K) So China sweep Korea in this crucial match Ida Atsushi (J) beat Ilya Shikshin (E) (another variation of that Mi Yuting 3-3 joseki like Mateusz). Women: Mukai Chiaki (J) beat Choi Jeong(K), big upset! Yu Zhiying(C) beat Lin Xuefen USA. macelee has already added a bunch of games to go4go: http://www.go4go.net/go/games/tournament/182 Piecing together the bits: Round 1: Men: China 2 - 1 Taiwan (Lin beat Mi Yuting, upset) Korea 1+ - 0+ Europe Japan 1+ - 0+ NA Women: Korea 2 - 0 China Taiwan 1+ - 0+ Japan Europe 0+ - 0+ NA Round 2: Men: China 3 - 0 Korea Japan 1+ - 0+ Europe Taiwan 1+ - 0+ NA Women: China 1+ - 0+ NA Japan 1 - 1 Korea Taiwan 0+ - 0+ Europe |
Author: | Uberdude [ Tue May 14, 2019 3:34 am ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters | ||
Unfortunately Ryan Li lost to Murukawa Daisuke. The opening was a little bad for him but he took the lead from middlegame fighting on right and impressively held onto it for a while. However, bad aji of the 2 stones was too much, m9 was an overplay trying to keep everything and Murakawa seized his chance to make miai and punish him.
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Author: | Laman [ Tue May 14, 2019 5:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters |
Uberdude wrote: Women Missingham (TWN) beat Chiaki (JPN) Oh (KOR) beat Chenxing (CHN) Uberdude: thanks for keeping us up to date. i'd only suggest using full names - i think it is nicer to read and in the first round you mixed some first and last names |
Author: | Arcaress [ Tue May 14, 2019 8:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters |
Since no one posted full results list, I decided to make one myself. Round 1: Europe 0-3 Korea Mateusz Surma 0-1 Park Junghwan Ilya Shikshin 0-1 Shin Jinseo Pavol Lisy 0-1 Lee Jihyun Japan 3-0 North America Murakawa Daisuke 1-0 Ryan Li Ida Atsushi 1-0 Gansheng Shi Motoki Katsuya 1-0 Eric Lui Chinese Taipei 1-2 China Wang Yuanjun 0-1 Ke Jie Lin Lixiang 1-0 Mi Yuting Xu Haohong 0-1 Gu Zihao Women: Chinese Taipei 1-1 Japan Joanne Missingham 1-0 Mukai Chiaki Bai Xinhui 0-1 Nyu Eiko Europe 0-2 North America Natalia Kovaleva 0-1 Lin Xuefen Ougier Ariane 0-1 Su Gabriella China 0-2 Korea Yu Zhiying 0-1 Choi Jeong Wang Chenxing 0-1 Oh Yujin Source: http://sports.sina.com.cn/go/2019-05-14 ... 4360.shtml Round 2: Europe 0-3 Japan Mateusz Surma 0-1 Murakawa Daisuke Ilya Shikshin 0-1 Ida Atsushi Pavol Lisy 0-1 Motoki Katsuya North America 0-3 Chinese Taipei Ryan Li 0-1 Wang Yuanjun Gansheng Shi 0-1 Lin Lixiang Eric Lui 0-1 Xu Haohong Korea 0-3 China Park Junghwan 0-1 Ke Jie Shin Jinseo 0-1 Mi Yuting Lee Jihyun 0-1 Gu Zihao Women: Chinese Taipei 2-0 Europe Joanne Missingham 1-0 Natalia Kovaleva Bai Xinhui 1-0 Ougier Ariane North America 0-2 China Lin Xuefen 0-1 Yu Zhiying Su Gabriella 0-1 Wang Chenxing Japan 1-1 Korea Mukai Chiaki 1-0 Choi Jeong Nyu Eiko 0-1 Oh Yujin Source: http://sports.sina.com.cn/go/2019-05-14 ... 0352.shtml |
Author: | Uberdude [ Wed May 15, 2019 12:59 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters |
A few more results: Europe beat NA 2-1. Mateusz Surma lost to Ryan Li, not sure of the Ilya/Pavol vs Gansheng/Eric pairings. Ryan then got soundly beaten up be Ke Jie. |
Author: | Arcaress [ Wed May 15, 2019 2:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters |
Round 3: Europe 2-1 North America Mateusz Surma 0-1 Ryan Li https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/board/18163 Ilya Shikshin 1-0 Gansheng Shi Pavol Lisy 1-0 Eric Lui Korea 3-0 Chinese Taipei Park Junghwan 1-0 Wang Yuanjun https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/board/18155 Shin Jinseo 1-0 Lin Lixiang Lee Jihyun 1-0 Xu Haohong Japan 0-3 China Murakawa Daisuke 0-1 Ke Jie https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/room/18146/1/15347815 Ida Atsushi 0-1 Mi Yuting https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/board/18164 Motoki Katsuya 0-1 Gu Zihao https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/board/18160 Women: Chinese Taipei 2-0 North America Joanne Missingham 1-0 Lin Xuefen Bai Xinhui 1-0 Su Gabriella Japan 0-2 China Mukai Chiaki 0-1 Yu Zhiying Nyu Eiko 0-1 Wang Chenxing https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/board/18161 Europe 0-2 Korea Natalia Kovaleva 0-1 Choi Jeong https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/board/18162 Ougier Ariane 0-1 Oh Yujin Source: http://sports.sina.com.cn/go/2019-05-15 ... 2650.shtml Round 4: Europe 0-3 Chinese Taipei Mateusz Surma 0-1 Wang Yuanjun Ilya Shikshin 0-1 Lin Lixiang Pavol Lisy 0-1 Xu Haohong https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/board/18175 Korea 3-0 Japan Park Junghwan 1-0 Murakawa Daisuke https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/room/18169/1/15379732 Shin Jinseo 1-0 Ida Atsushi https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/board/18171 Lee Jihyun 1-0 Motoki Katsuya https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/board/18174 North America 0-3 China Ryan Li 0-1 Ke Jie https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/room/18154/1/15370462 Gansheng Shi 0-1 Mi Yuting Eric Lui 0-1 Gu Zihao Women: Chinese Taipei 0-2 China Joanne Missingham 0-1 Yu Zhiying https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/board/18176 Bai Xinhui 0-1 Wang Chenxing https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/board/18173 Japan 2-0 Europe Mukai Chiaki 1-0 Natalia Kovaleva Nyu Eiko 1-0 Ougier Ariane North America 0-2 Korea Lin Xuefen 0-1 Choi Jeong Su Gabriella 0-1 Oh Yujin https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/board/18178 Source: http://sports.sina.com.cn/go/2019-05-15 ... 7066.shtml Yikeweiqi already designated broadcast for tomorrow's Ke Jie vs Surma game: https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/room/18184/1/15393988 |
Author: | Uberdude [ Wed May 15, 2019 4:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters |
It's nice that Mateusz was put on board 1, presumably as reward for his Transatlantic performance, and gets to play Ke Jie and Park Junghwan. Getting to play Mi Yuting or Gu Zihao is not bad either of course. Standings so far are: Men: 1. China 4W 0L 2. Korea 3W 1L 3. Japan 2W 2L 4. Taiwan 2W 2L 5. Europe 1W 3L 5. NA 0W 4L Tomorrow is China vs Europe, Japan vs Taiwan (3rd/4th decider), Korea vs NA. |
Author: | Uberdude [ Wed May 15, 2019 7:09 pm ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters | ||
Fun move from Mateusz. LZ thinks it's no worse than Ke Jie's kick top left, but he's already fallen to 25% in early opening. There's so many levels in Go... The games so far, Mateusz black in first variation, Ryan white in 2nd.
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Author: | hyperpape [ Wed May 15, 2019 7:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters |
What was the sequence in the lower left? |
Author: | Uberdude [ Wed May 15, 2019 7:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters |
hyperpape wrote: What was the sequence in the lower left? From Mateusz? The usual followup for black of hane in corner after the 4-4 attachment against the big low shimari and white's hane outside is not so good when black doesn't have the ladder (starting at c9 in variation) to upper right (so better not to attach in the first place, playing cool AI attachments all the time isn't wise), so it looks to me like Mateusz went for the extension, KJ played hane and maybe Mateusz wasn't so familiar with the variations so decided to abort and cut his loses and sacrifice instead of getting in a messy fight and messing it up even more. Obviously I expect Ke Jie to crush him, but it's a shame to have not at least kept it even-ish for a bit longer. I can't help but wonder if all the Transatlantic drama has adversely affected him, which would be a real shame to damage this precious opportunity to play the world's best players. |
Author: | Arcaress [ Thu May 16, 2019 10:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters |
Round 5: Europe 0-3 China Mateusz Surma 0-1 Ke Jie Ilya Shikshin 0-1 Mi Yuting Pavol Lisy 0-1 Gu Zihao Korea 3-0 North America Park Junghwan 1-0 Ryan Li Shin Jinseo 1-0 Gansheng Shi Lee Jihyun 1-0 Eric Lui Japan 2-1 Chinese Taipei Murakawa Daisuke 1-0 Wang Yuanjun Ida Atsushi 1-0 Lin Lixiang Motoki Katsuya 0-1 Xu Haohong Women: Chinese Taipei 0-2 Korea Joanne Missingham 0-1 Choi Jeong Bai Xinhui 0-1 Oh Yujin Japan 2-0 North America Mukai Chiaki 1-0 Lin Xuefen Nyu Eiko 1-0 Su Gabriella Europe 0-2 China Natalia Kovaleva 0-1 Yu Zhiying Ougier Ariane 0-1 Wang Chenxing Source: http://sports.sina.com.cn/go/2019-05-16 ... 1053.shtml Also first round of pair go. Chinese Taipei and Europe got additional pair of players as a wildcard. Tournament bracket looks complicated: http://n.sinaimg.cn/sports/transform/33 ... 528937.png Wang Yuanjun and Joanne Missingham 1-0 Murakawa Daisuke and Nyu Eiko Shin Jinseo and Choi Jeong 1-0 Mi Yuting and Yu Zhiying Ilya Shikshin and Natalia Kovaleva 1-0 Eric Lui and Lin Xuefen Lin Lixiang and Bai Xinhui 1-0 Pavol Lisy and Ougier Ariane Source: http://sports.sina.com.cn/go/2019-05-16 ... 2138.shtml |
Author: | Uberdude [ Fri May 17, 2019 2:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters |
So Men team results are: 1. China 5W 0L 2. Korea 4W 1L 3. Japan 3W 2L 4. Taiwan 2W 3L 5. Europe 1W 4L 6. NA 0W 5L Women team: 1. Korea 4W 1D 0L 2. China 4W 0D 1L 3. Japan 2W 2D 1L 4. Taiwan 2W 1D 2L 5. NA 1W 0D 4L 6. Europe 0W 0D 5L (So as I predicted, except Japan finished above Taiwan in both cases). |
Author: | John Fairbairn [ Fri May 17, 2019 4:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters |
I have seen an EGF document that says the IMSA Elite Mind Games (which seems to be the official name, rather than World Masters) uses Ing rules. Assuming that's correct, several questions arise, but just a couple here: 1. Why do photos show players using ordinary bowls and not the Ing monstrosities that were more like a toy for 2-year-olds. I can understand players not liking them, but I thought they were integral to scoring the game correctly? Have they been superseded? If so, what is the new counting procedure? 2. Ing rules AFAIK say the komi is 8 points, so why does everyone make it 7.5? I can see that it apparently might not make any difference most of the time, but we have seen in the past, and recently in the Transatlantic Match, that there are people who do fuss over rules. 3. If Ing rules are not in use, which ruleset is used? 4. Has the Ing Foundation relaxed the counting rules in other tournaments (but, if so, I gather they retain the Ing time-payment rules - correct?) |
Author: | Bojanic [ Fri May 17, 2019 2:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: IMSA World Masters |
John Fairbairn wrote: 1. Why do photos show players using ordinary bowls and not the Ing monstrosities that were more like a toy for 2-year-olds. I can understand players not liking them, but I thought they were integral to scoring the game correctly? Have they been superseded? If so, what is the new counting procedure? Procedure with Ing's bowls is to open lid, see that all stones are there, and then raise the bottom. After that, you could even simply transfer stones to ordinary bowls. You can also use other method's to count stones before game: - wooden board with 30/45/60 holes, where you could easily place stones, and remove them - precise scale (if you have stones of same weight/size). |
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