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Post #1 Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:32 pm 
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Update: The League has begun! Results posted in this thread, it's not too late to join!

Fantasy League Rules:

Dates:
I intend this to be a shorter test league, running for the rest of November, December, January, and February. If all goes well we can hopefully make the league ongoing. The first game to add points for the league will be the Kuksu final game 3, on Nov 8.

Professional Selection:
Each player has $300 for buying pros. No more than $100 may be spent on pros from any one country.
To figure out the costs of each pro, I figured out how many points they would have earned in the following events:
3rd BC Card Cup
15th LG Cup
15th Samsung Cup
24th Fujitsu Cup
12th Nongshim Cup
2nd Triple Meijin
35th Kisei
36th Meijin
66th Honinbo
54th Kuksu
38th Myeongin
16th GS Caltex Cup
23rd Mingren
25th Tianyuan

In general, these were the most recent completed tournament for each event.


The Player Costs:

Gu Li 49
Park Junghwan 48
Yamashita Keigo 45
Iyama Yuta 44
Lee Sedol 40
Choi Cheolhan 35
Park Yeonghun 34
Cho U 32
Heo Yeongho 30
Hane Naoki 29
Kim Jiseok 28
Jiang Weijie 28
Takao Shinji 26
Lee Changho 26
Piao Wenyao 25
Won Sungjin 23
Chen Yaoye 23
Kong Jie 21
Xie He 16
Cho Hanseung 14
Zhou Hexi 11
Zhong Wenjing 11
Qiu Jun 11
Kang Dongyun 11
Zhou Ruiyang 10
Yu Bin 9
Shi Yue 9
Meng Tailing 9
Li Zhe 9
Chang Hao 9
Wang Lei 8
Tan Xiao 8
Sakai Hideyuki 8
O Rissei 8
Mok Jinseok 8
Hu Yaoyu 8
Yuki Satoshi 7
Wang Yao 7
Li Haojie 7
Lee Younggu 7
Kim Kiyoung 7
Yamashiro Hiroshi 6
Tuo Jiaxi 6
Seto Taiki 6
An Hyungjun 6
Rin Kanketsu 5
Mizokami Tomochika 5
Kobayashi Satoru 5
Cho Chikun 5
An Kukhyun 5
Yoda Norimoto 4
Yeom Junghoon 4
Ryu Shikun 4
Ryu Jaehyeong 4
Peng Quan 4
Park Seunghwa 4
Liu Xing 4
Kim Seongjae 4
Kim Juho 4
Kato Atsushi 4
Kang Changbae 4
Hong Kipyo 4
Gu Lingyi 4
Ding Lie 4
Chun Guangya 4
Cho Sonjin 4
An Choyeong 4
Park Jeonggeun 3
O Meien 3
Kono Rin 3
Hong Sungji 3
Baek Hongsuk 3
Akiyama Jiro 3
Zhang Li 2
Yoo Jaesung 2
Wang Tao 2
Ryu Dongwan 2
Park Seunghyun 2
Park Jiyeon 2
Park Jinsol 2
On Sojin 2
Niu Yutian 2
Lian Xiao 2
Lee Chungyu 2
Ko Geuntae 2
Kim Seungjun 2
Kim Sedong 2
Kang Jisung 2
Joo Hyeongwuk 2
Huang Yizhong 2
Han Sanghoon 2
Fujii Shuya 2
Chen Shiyuan 2


Any player not on this list costs $1. You may buy as many pros as you can afford, but only $100 on players from a single country (if you don't know what country a pro is from, ask). Multiple players may buy the same pro. You do not have to spend all your money at once, but pros bought midway through an event will not recieve points for that event; you can't buy a player once they reach the finals and get points for that win. You may sell pros, but you only recieve 90% of refund price, rounded to the nearest dollar. (There may be periodic "free trades", to be determined).

Point System for tournaments:
Still under construction. Here's the system I used for the above scoring:
Major International titles: Fujitsu, BC Card, LG, Samsung, Chunlan
1 point for reaching Ro32 and Ro16,
2 pts for Ro8
3 pts for Ro4 +2 for 3rd place where applicable
4 pts for 2nd
6 pts winning bo1, 3/win bo3, 2/win bo5

This is cumulative, so getting first place is 17 points, second is 11, etc.

The Kisei, Meijin, & Honinbo Leagues:
2 points for placing in the league
1 point for each win
2 points for placing first in a league
2 points for each game of a title match won

In general, I've decided that seeded players get the same points as non-seeded players who have reached the same point. In particular,
players who hold a title get an automatic 11 points for bypassing the tournament. This may seem to be too much of an advantage in picking that player, but I'd rather not have disincentives to choose title holders.

Myeongin & GS Caltex Cup are straight single-elimination, and score the same as the international cups. Kuksu, Mingren, and Tianyuan have a single-elimination tournament to pick a challenger (like tengen). For those the title-holder gets the same 11 points as for the Japanese titles, and the points for the rest of the tournament are essentially the same: 11 to challenge, 9 for 2nd place, 7 for semis, 4 for Ro8, 2 for Ro16, 1 for Ro32.

For Nongshim Cup and Triple Meijin, I counted a flat 2 points per win.


Upcoming Events and Points:

All events that count for points will be collected here. I may add more events as we go along; if so I will post an announcement and update this list.

November:
Kuksu title match: 2 points/game
Nongshim Cup 2nd stage: 2 points
Kisei challenger decision match: 2 points
LG Cup Ro4: 3 points
Myeongin Semifinals: 4 points (still need dates for this!)
Mingren Finals: 2 points/game
Oza Finals : 2 points/game
Tengen Finals: 2 points/ game

December:
Meijin League Round 1: 1 point
Honinbo League Round 3: 1 point
Samsung Cup Finals: 3 points/game
Japan-China Agon Cup: 1 point?

January:
BC Card Cup Ro32: 1 point
Kisei Title match: 2 points/game
Meijin League Round 2: 1 point
Honinbo League Round 4: 1 point
GS Caltex Cup Ro32: 1 point

February:
BC Card Cup Ro16: 1 point per win
Nongshim Cup 3rd stage: 2 points
Kisei Title match: 2 points/game
Tianyuan Ro32: 1 point

Important: Note that as we begin the league, ongoing tournaments will add points to your totals. If we wait until each new tournament begins, there will be too few games.

If you'd like to play, just post in this thread with your purchase choices. Any questions or comments, please ask :tmbup:


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Post #2 Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:09 pm 
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Here's my team.

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Gu Li - 49
Chen Yaoye - 23
Zhou Ruiyang - 10
Tan Xiao - 8
Tuo Jiaxi - 6
Gu LIngyi - 4

Japan
Iyama Yuta - 44
Hane Naoki - 29
Takao Shinji - 26
Murakawa Daisuke - 1

Korea
Park Junghwan - 48
Kim Jiseok - 28
Kang Dongyun - 11
Lee Younggu - 7
Baek Hongsuk - 3
Ko Geuntae - 2
Cho Insun - 1

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Post #3 Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:42 pm 
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What does halfway through an event mean for the Japanese leagues?

How are you awarding points for the Korean and Chinese events?

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Post #4 Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:12 pm 
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China:
Chen Yaoye (23)
Jang Weijie (28)
Kong Jie (21)

Japan:
Iyama Yuta (44)
Cho U (32)
Takeo Shinji (26)

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Post #5 Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:46 pm 
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Are you allowing a pro to be owned by more than one person? Because I see some overlap. :scratch:

My teams:

China
Piao Wenyao 25
Xie He 16
Qiu Jun 11
Chang Hao 9
Li Zhe 9
Hu Yaoyu 8
Peng Quan 4
Liu Xing 4

Japan
Yamashita Keigo 45
Sakai Hideyuki 8
O Rissei 8
Yuki Satoshi 7
Yoda Norimoto 4

Korea
Choi Cheolhan 35
Park Yeonghun 34
Mok Jinseok 8

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Post #6 Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:00 pm 
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hyperpape wrote:
What does halfway through an event mean for the Japanese leagues?

How are you awarding points for the Korean and Chinese events?


For the round-robin leagues, you can still get points midway because everyone plays the same number of games. So if you pick up a player with three games left in the round-robin, you can still get points for those three games.

Myeongin & GS Caltex Cup are straight single-elimination, and score the same as the international cups. Kuksu, Mingren, and Tianyuan have a single-elimination tournament to pick a challenger (like tengen). For those the title-holder gets the same 11 points as for the Japanese titles, and the points for the rest of the tournament are essentially the same: 11 to challenge, 9 for 2nd place, 7 for semis, 4 for Ro8, 2 for Ro16, 1 for Ro32.

For Nongshim Cup and Triple Meijin, I counted a flat 2 points per win. I'll add these to the first post.

I want to emphasize that ideally I'd like to include more events than just these, and we'll have to come up with new points formats as we add new tournaments. I think this thing will ramp up as we go, many of the events take place over the course of a year.

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Post #7 Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:02 pm 
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Are you allowing a pro to be owned by more than one person? Because I see some overlap. :scratch:


Yes, multiple people can purchase the same pro. I've edited the rules to clarify, thank you :)

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Post #8 Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:26 am 
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I did my Japan list, haven't thought hard enough about the rest.

Iyama Yuta - 44
Cho U - 32
Sakai Hideyuki - 8
Yuki Satoshi - 7
Yoda Norimoto - 4
Kono Rin - 3
Murakawa Daisuke - 1
Ko Iso - 1

Na Hyun - 1

I went for cheap and many, though I considered going all out and buying as many < $5 players as possible. If I ever did that, I hope you're automating this!


Edit: Silly mistake, had > instead of <.

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Are there any restrictions about when, how much and how often one can change his linsup? Lineup-changes are via pm I guess?

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Post #10 Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:49 am 
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never tried anything like this, but looks like fun, so here is my team:
Japan:
Cho U 32
Hane Naoki 29
Takao Shinji 26
Yuki Satoshi 7
Kono Rin 3
Ko Iso 1
Murakawa Daisuke 1
Uchida Shuhei 1

Korea:
Park Yeonghun 34
Kim Jiseok 28
Cho Hanseung 14
Kang Dongyun 11
Lee Younggu 7
An Kukhyun 5
Na Hyun 1

China:
Piao Wenyao 25
Chen Yaoye 23
Kong Jie 21
Li Zhe 9
Tan Xiao 8
Wang Lei 8
Tuo Jiaxi 6

if i decide to drop out, it hurts nothing, right? my only job was to choose players and then watch how they are doing?

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Post #11 Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:19 am 
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Are there any restrictions about when, how much and how often one can change his linsup? Lineup-changes are via pm I guess?


Yes, there will be restrictions, I haven't decided exactly how frequently one can trade players, I'm leaning towards a fixed number of trades per month (maybe 5)?

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Post #12 Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:20 am 
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if i decide to drop out, it hurts nothing, right? my only job was to choose players and then watch how they are doing?


Yes, there's no harm in dropping out. There shouldn't be any harm in joining late either, with the caveat that you may not get points for ongoing events.

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Post #13 Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:22 am 
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Also, from when to when is the league - this will factor in the selection of my team. Are the tournaments which you used to determine the worth of a player the ones affecting the league?

Thanks for the quick reply :)

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Post #14 Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:47 am 
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Also, from when to when is the league - this will factor in the selection of my team. Are the tournaments which you used to determine the worth of a player the ones affecting the league?

Thanks for the quick reply :)


I updated the first post in a way that hopefully answers your first question.

All the tournaments I used to determine costs will be used in the league, at the prices posted. In addition, I reserve the right to add additional tournaments at what prices I see fit, as I find time to add them ;-)

In particular, some of the things I'm thinking about:
Japan's Tengen, Oza, Judan, Gosei
Korean Baduk League, Chinese A League
Asian TV Cup

I'm definitely open to suggestions for additional events, so please post if there's something in particular you want to see!

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Post #15 Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:09 am 
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I might as well throw my hat into the ring on this, though I'm just going to spend $100 on each and watch what happens. My Japanese team is huge ... but not all that strong ... :mrgreen:

EDIT: emeraldemon, you may want to make sure I assigned my pros to the correct countries ... I'm really bad at following the Go scene ...

China:
Chen Yaoye 23
Kong Jie 21
Xie He 16
Qiu Jun 11
Meng Tailing 9
Yu Bin 9
Wang Yao 7
Peng Quan 4

Total: $100


Japan:
Takao Shinji 26
O Rissei 8
Sakai Hideyuki 8
Yuki Satoshi 7
Yamashiro Hiroshi 6
Seto Taiki 6
Mizokami Tomochika 5
Kobayashi Satoru 5
Ryu Shikun 4
Yoda Norimoto 4
Kato Atsushi 4
Cho Sonjin 4
Akiyama Jiro 3
Kono Rin 3
Otake Hideo 1
Kobayashi Koichi 1
Kudo Norio 1
Mochizuki Kenichi 1
Yamada Noriyoshi 1
Ogata Masaki 1
Mine Yasuhiro 1

Total: $100


Korea:
Lee Sedol 40
Choi Cheolhan 35
Kang Dongyun 11
An Hyungjun 6
Park Jeonggeun 3
Baek Hongsuk 3
Yoo Jaesung 2

Total: $100

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Post #16 Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:29 am 
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Here's mine:

China:

Gu Li 49
Chen Yaoye 23
Kong Jie 21
Wang Yao 7


Japan:

Iyama Yuta 44
Hane Naoki 29
Takao Shinji 26


Korea:

Lee Sedol 40
Park Yeonghun 34
Lee Changho 26

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Post #17 Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:21 pm 
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Here are mine:

Japan (100):
Cho U 32
Hane Naoki 29
Takao Shinji 26
Yuki Satoshi 7
Mizokami Tomochika 5
Ko Iso 1

Korea (100):
Kim Jiseok 28
Lee Changho 26
Won Sungjin 23
Cho Hanseung 14
Baek Hongsuk 3
Park Jeonggeun 3
Kang Yootaek 1
Lee Taehyun 1
Na Hyun 1


China (98):
Gu Li 49
Piao Wenyao 25
Xie He 16
Tan Xiao 8

Taiwan (2):
Chen Shiyuan 2 (tw)

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CHINA:
Gu Li 49
Kong Jie 21
Xie He 16
Chang Hao 9
Peng Quan 4
Wang Xi 1

Total 100

KOREA:
Park Yeonghun 34
Kim Jiseok 28
Park Jeonggeun 3
Lee Changho 26
Baek Hongsuk 3
Kim Seongjae 4
Joo Hyeongwuk 2

Total 100

JAPAN:
Yamashita Keigo 45
Hane Naoki 29
Takao Shinji 26

Total 100

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Here's mine:

China:
Piao Wenyao 25
Kong Jie 21
Chen Yaoye 23
Qiu Jun 11
Zhou Ruiyang 10
Li Zhe 9
Wang Xi 1

Japan:
Yamashita Keigo 45
Iyama Yuta 44
Yuki Satoshi 7
Yoda Norimoto 4

Korea:
Park Yeonghun 34
Kim Jiseok 28
Lee Changho 26
Kang Dongyun - 11
Cho Insun 1

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i went through the posts up to now and here is list of players with number of times they were chosen to a team:
Code:
Gu Li 49 ||||
Park Junghwan 48 |
Yamashita Keigo 45 |||
Iyama Yuta 44 -----
Lee Sedol 40 |||
Choi Cheolhan 35 ||
Park Yeonghun 34 -----
Cho U 32 -----
Heo Yeongho 30 ||
Hane Naoki 29 |||
Kim Jiseok 28 -----
Jiang Weijie 28 |
Takao Shinji 26 ----- ||
Lee Changho 26 -----
Piao Wenyao 25 ||||
Won Sungjin 23 |
Chen Yaoye 23 ----- |
Kong Jie 21 ----- |
Xie He 16 ||||
Cho Hanseung 14 ||
Zhou Hexi 11
Zhong Wenjing 11
Qiu Jun 11 |||
Kang Dongyun 11 ||||
Zhou Ruiyang 10 ||
Yu Bin 9 |
Shi Yue 9
Meng Tailing 9 |
Li Zhe 9 |||
Chang Hao 9 ||
Wang Lei 8 |
Tan Xiao 8 |||
Sakai Hideyuki 8 |||
O Rissei 8 ||
Mok Jinseok 8 |
Hu Yaoyu 8 |
Yuki Satoshi 7 ----- |
Wang Yao 7 ||
Li Haojie 7
Lee Younggu 7 ||
Kim Kiyoung 7
Yamashiro Hiroshi 6 |
Tuo Jiaxi 6 |
Seto Taiki 6 |
An Hyungjun 6 |
Rin Kanketsu 5
Mizokami Tomochika 5 ||
Kobayashi Satoru 5 |
Cho Chikun 5
An Kukhyun 5 |
Yoda Norimoto 4 ||||
Yeom Junghoon 4
Ryu Shikun 4 |
Ryu Jaehyeong 4
Peng Quan 4 ||
Park Seunghwa 4
Liu Xing 4 |
Kim Seongjae 4 |
Kim Juho 4
Kato Atsushi 4 |
Kang Changbae 4
Hong Kipyo 4
Gu Lingyi 4 |
Ding Lie 4
Chun Guangya 4
Cho Sonjin 4 |
An Choyeong 4
Park Jeonggeun 3 |||
O Meien 3
Kono Rin 3 |||
Hong Sungji 3
Baek Hongsuk 3 ||||
Akiyama Jiro 3 |
Zhang Li 2
Yoo Jaesung 2 |
Wang Tao 2
Ryu Dongwan 2
Park Seunghyun 2
Park Jiyeon 2
Park Jinsol 2
On Sojin 2
Niu Yutian 2
Lian Xiao 2
Lee Chungyu 2
Ko Geuntae 2 |
Kim Seungjun 2
Kim Sedong 2
Kang Jisung 2
Joo Hyeongwuk 2 |
Huang Yizhong 2
Han Sanghoon 2
Fujii Shuya 2 |
Chen Shiyuan 2 |
Murakawa Daisuke 1 |||
Cho Insun 1 |||
Na Hyun 1 |||
Ko Iso 1 |||
Uchida Shuhei 1 |
Otake Hideo 1 |
Kobayashi Koichi 1 |
Kudo Norio 1 |
Mochizuki Kenichi 1 |
Yamada Noriyoshi 1 |
Ogata Masaki 1 |
Mine Yasuhiro 1 |
Kang Yootaek 1 |
Lee Taehyun 1 |
Wang Xi 1 ||

most wanted so far are: Takao Shinji (7), Chen Yaoye (6), Kong Jie (6), Yuki Satoshi (6)
and there are also 4 Jokers - $1 players with multiple hits: Murakawa Daisuke, Cho Insun, Na Hyun, Ko Iso (3 each)

PS: what would be implications if the prices were moving according to demand? if player's price would go up $1 every time he is chosen to a team and a) next manager would have budget $1 bigger, or b) one random player would become $1 cheaper (both a and b serves to prevent inflation). this way the players would converge to their "real" price (with an assumption that all team managers are rational and well informed). it would be hardly maintainable by hand, but i think it is an interesting idea

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