This is the first game of the Nongshim Cup:
It would be awesome if someone who knows Chinese could translate the comments!
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| Author: | emeraldemon [ Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:22 am ] | ||
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This is the first game of the Nongshim Cup: It would be awesome if someone who knows Chinese could translate the comments!
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| Author: | illluck [ Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:42 pm ] |
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Thanks for posting the game and comments  |
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| Author: | emeraldemon [ Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:20 pm ] |
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I wish I could give you two thumbs up 
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| Author: | ez4u [ Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:41 am ] |
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Why only 2? 
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| Author: | emeraldemon [ Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:03 am ] |
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They're playing the first 4 games of the Nongshim cup all in a row (1 a day). Not sure if you feel like translating them all, but just in case... A very interesting and close game, I've really liked Tan Xiao's play in these two games. |
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| Author: | illluck [ Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:49 pm ] |
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I would given sufficient time, but it looks like there's an error with the record you just posted? |
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| Author: | emeraldemon [ Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:53 pm ] | ||
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trying again:
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| Author: | illluck [ Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:28 pm ] |
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Thanks, it worked that time Wow, this took much longer than the first due to the amount of commentary and background info (which was far more painful to translate, to be honest - I ended up giving up finding translations for some player names and biographical information). Edit: Note: I suspect that the Chinese translation used "thick" when "solid" is more appropriate, but didn't want to risk distorting the original comments if my understanding is incorrect. Nevertheless, I moved toward "solid" by the end, so just bear that in mind and don't get too confused if the usage didn't seem correct. |
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| Author: | emeraldemon [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:06 am ] | ||
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Game 3 didn't have commentary, but game 4 does: This is the last game of this round, starts again in November.
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| Author: | Magicwand [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:16 am ] |
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illluck wrote: Thanks, it worked that time Wow, this took much longer than the first due to the amount of commentary and background info (which was far more painful to translate, to be honest - I ended up giving up finding translations for some player names and biographical information). Edit: Note: I suspect that the Chinese translation used "thick" when "solid" is more appropriate, but didn't want to risk distorting the original comments if my understanding is incorrect. Nevertheless, I moved toward "solid" by the end, so just bear that in mind and don't get too confused if the usage didn't seem correct. This comments are very different from korean website. i am thinking that korean commentary is more reliable than chinese translation. |
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| Author: | emeraldemon [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:06 am ] |
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Magicwand wrote: This comments are very different from korean website. i am thinking that korean commentary is more reliable than chinese translation. Which website are you using? Would you mind doing a translation? |
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| Author: | Magicwand [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:52 pm ] |
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emeraldemon wrote: Magicwand wrote: This comments are very different from korean website. i am thinking that korean commentary is more reliable than chinese translation. Which website are you using? Would you mind doing a translation? it was from cyberoro.com i am at work and can not view the board. i will try if time permits. |
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| Author: | illluck [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:59 pm ] |
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Magicwand wrote: emeraldemon wrote: Magicwand wrote: This comments are very different from korean website. i am thinking that korean commentary is more reliable than chinese translation. Which website are you using? Would you mind doing a translation? it was from cyberoro.com i am at work and can not view the board. i will try if time permits. That may very well be true, another possibility is that it might be from a different commentator? I think I saw original Chinese pro comments the other day, but not sure where I can find them in sgf files XD |
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| Author: | illluck [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:08 pm ] |
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I think they are available on YC, but not sure how to get sgf files out of that XD |
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| Author: | illluck [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:41 pm ] |
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Game 4: |
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| Author: | Magicwand [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:46 pm ] | ||||
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Fig 1. white sealed black in sente so white feels good. and   attacking the weakness of black start to lead the board.but   was agile move that made it evenvar 1-1 black should have answer the peep and   are miai so maintains the balance. VAR 1-2 if  and fight then white will cut  and fight. this is not a good picture for black.
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| Author: | Magicwand [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:47 pm ] | ||||
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var 1-3  was sharp but would have been better for white because it will leave black group unstable so black will feel uncomfortable.var 1-4 let's consider this variation where black cut and push  this variation feels good but black is still unstable and white gains points while getting points. var 1-5 this variation? it is very good locally but white gets sente and  looks ideal for white.
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| Author: | Magicwand [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:50 pm ] | ||||
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var 1-6   exchange was a product of deep reading that interfere  if white play at then will die by net.Fig 2 looks somewhat deep but jumping out erases the influence on left and it looks good for black.for  ,  show that he finished reading already and upto  black looks good also  is big so Lee was satisfied with this sequence.var 2-1 was a probe but  was good answer that created 3 stone saving aji and black lost sente. It appears now white came back from behind.
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| Author: | Magicwand [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:52 pm ] | ||||
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var: 2-2 is a move that tried to get sente. white is very thick and black lost points here and now the game is very close.var 2-3 was a cold move that maintains the leadFig 3 One more chance for Lee when tanshew missed lee's mistake. Now black is ahead.
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| Author: | Magicwand [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:53 pm ] | ||||
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var 3-1  is correct move that will simplify the board.var 3-2  is a sharp counter attack that would have put lee into a bad situation. This variation is good for white.var 3-3 answering instead is also good variation for white.
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