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| Author: | lovelove [ Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 2013 New Korean Professionals |
1. Yu Byoung-yong Teacher : Han Jongjin 8p Favourite Pro : Han Jongjin 8p Playing Style : fighting Born : 1988 Seoul 2. Lee Hoseung Teacher : Ok Deukjin 7p Favourite Pro : Lee Changho 9p Playing Style : attacking Born : 1987 Incheon 3. Park Daeyoung Teacher : Lee Sedol 9p Favourite Pro : Lee Sedol 9p Playing Style : thick territorial Born : 1994 Seoul To be continued... |
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| Author: | lovelove [ Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
4. Baek Chanhee Teacher : Han Jongjin 8p Favourite Pro : Han Jongjin 8p Playing Style : fighting Born : 1995 Gyeonggi 5. Shin Yunho Teacher : Ok Deukjin 7p Favourite Pro : Ok Deukjin 7p Playing Style : fighting Born : 1991 Seoul To be continued... |
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| Author: | lovelove [ Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
6. Han Seungju Teacher : Han Jongjin 8p Favourite Pro : Cho Hunhyeon 9p Playing Style : fighting Born : 1996 Gyeonggi 7. Kim Jinhui Teacher : Park Byounggyu 8p Favourite Pro : Lee Sedol 9p Playing Style : fighting Born : 1996 Chungcheong |
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| Author: | lovelove [ Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
From 2011, 12 new Korean pros are qualified every year, 7 from the general qualifier, where any Korean citizen can join; 2 from the female pro qualifier; 2 from the gifted qualifier, with age limit of 15; and 1 from the district qualifier, for people living elsewhere from the capital area. The seven pros above are from the general qualifier of this year. Others will be held on summer. I'm personally much interested in Park Daeyoung, that he is Lee Sedol's pupil. |
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| Author: | cdybeijing [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
Perhaps it is just because I live in China but I was quite shocked to see how (relatively) old these new pros are. |
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| Author: | lovelove [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
cdybeijing wrote: Perhaps it is just because I live in China but I was quite shocked to see how (relatively) old these new pros are. That's why KBA is qualifying 12 pros a year from 2011, while it was 4~5 pros a year, before. |
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| Author: | cdybeijing [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
lovelove wrote: cdybeijing wrote: Perhaps it is just because I live in China but I was quite shocked to see how (relatively) old these new pros are. That's why KBA is qualifying 12 pros a year from 2011, to push the "old" inseis to pros. So there is a backlog of older inseis who couldn't make pro before due to a limited number of openings each year. Qualifying 12 a year is meant to be a correction, but will it oversaturate the Korean pro scene? I guess not, as those who can't make a reasonable living as players will naturally settle into other things, such as teaching or university. |
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| Author: | lovelove [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
cdybeijing wrote: lovelove wrote: cdybeijing wrote: Perhaps it is just because I live in China but I was quite shocked to see how (relatively) old these new pros are. That's why KBA is qualifying 12 pros a year from 2011, to push the "old" inseis to pros. So there is a backlog of older inseis who couldn't make pro before due to a limited number of openings each year. Qualifying 12 a year is meant to be a correction, but will it oversaturate the Korean pro scene? I guess not, as those who can't make a reasonable living as players will naturally settle into other things, such as teaching or university. But being a pro is still giving them a good chance. I think this is reasonable. [edit] Whoops, I think I misunderstood the word "oversaturate". So yes, I agree with you. |
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| Author: | ez4u [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
How is the dynamic working in the KBA since it made the revisions? Have the older pros and those with less successful records been dropping out? |
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| Author: | p2501 [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
lovelove wrote: I'm personally much interested in Park Daeyoung, that he is Lee Sedol's pupil. Definitely! Especially since his style is different from his teacher (and most other new pros in this thread). |
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| Author: | lovelove [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
ez4u wrote: How is the dynamic working in the KBA since it made the revisions? Have the older pros and those with less successful records been dropping out? Nothing happened. Older pros and those with less successful records already have dropped out, when they were. |
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| Author: | pwaldron [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
One thing that I've noticed with young Korean pros is how informally they dress. I remember a teenage Lee Chang-Ho being photographed at a world championship wearing street clothes. When does the expectation of suits kick in? |
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| Author: | lovelove [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
pwaldron wrote: One thing that I've noticed with young Korean pros is how informally they dress. I remember a teenage Lee Chang-Ho being photographed at a world championship wearing street clothes. When does the expectation of suits kick in? Lee Changho was a teen twenty years ago. No pros care about dressing now, unless it's a big world tournament game, but still unnecessary in that case, too. |
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| Author: | lemmata [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
Yu Byoung-yong and Lee Hoseung may be old, but they are also very strong. Both were beating pros in games that matter (domestic/international major tournaments open to amateurs) last year. Yu beat Lee Hobeum ("Little Lee Sedol", Nongshim Cup representative) 3p, Kim Jeonghyun 3p, and Park Younghoon 9p (Samsung Cup winner) in the Olleh Cup tournament last year. In the 14th LG Cup he defeated Son Keunki 3p, and Fu Chung [sic] 4p. Lee Hoseung was beating pros in the Samsung Cup preliminaries more than 7 years ago. He has kept on beating pros in games that matter. This just goes to show that the new pro selection tournament is brutally competitive. One interesting tidbit from the interviews: Park Daeyoung claims that he takes black with no komi against Lee Sedol in teaching games and has never beaten him on that handicap. |
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| Author: | tchan001 [ Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
Notice the style of the majority of 2013 New Korean Pros are mostly fighting and attacking. Will this be the wave of the future of baduk with mainly fast furious attacks dominating patient fuseki? |
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| Author: | SoDesuNe [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
tchan001 wrote: Notice the style of the majority of 2013 New Korean Pros are mostly fighting and attacking. Will this be the wave of the future of baduk with mainly fast furious attacks dominating patient fuseki? I read somewhere that this might have something to do with the mickey-mouse-time-limits. In the sense that you lack time to patiently take the game to the last stages because playing a thick and patient game requieres much more careful analyzing of coming endgame and precise counting. But yeah, it seems there grows yet another generation of professional Go-players, whom I'm personaly not inclined to follow because I find no beauty in their games : ( |
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| Author: | lovelove [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
SoDesuNe wrote: tchan001 wrote: Notice the style of the majority of 2013 New Korean Pros are mostly fighting and attacking. Will this be the wave of the future of baduk with mainly fast furious attacks dominating patient fuseki? I read somewhere that this might have something to do with the mickey-mouse-time-limits. In the sense that you lack time to patiently take the game to the last stages because playing a thick and patient game requieres much more careful analyzing of coming endgame and precise counting. But yeah, it seems there grows yet another generation of professional Go-players, whom I'm personaly not inclined to follow because I find no beauty in their games : ( Many of recent top Japanese pros have very aggressive style, and they usually play in 5~8 hours main time. Check out the games of Iyama Yuta, Cho U, or Yamashita Keigo. I think the time limits have nothing to do with the playing style. Also, in the early 2000s when Lee Changho began to play aggressively, most of Korean tournaments had 3~4 hours main time, which is not "mickey mouse" at all. |
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| Author: | SoDesuNe [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
Well, I cannot really argue with you about this ^^ It's of course highly subjective and I'm on the other hand far too weak to measure any (if!) decrease in the depth of play of nowadays pros but just for me a lot of games don't feel... harmonic. I am unable to sense beauty like I do when I replay Shuei or Dosaku, who is also a very strong fighter. But well, it could be just me, so I won't argue ; ) |
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| Author: | p2501 [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
It's probably because the western go population has been shaped a lot by translated japanese go books (theory and commented games) and thus can relate to the balanced japanese style, because they can grasp it. I for myself, like korean/chinese just as much as japanese. The most exciting games I've seen so far are indeed korean/chinese players games. |
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| Author: | skydyr [ Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2013 New Korean Professionals |
SoDesuNe wrote: Well, I cannot really argue with you about this ^^ It's of course highly subjective and I'm on the other hand far too weak to measure any (if!) decrease in the depth of play of nowadays pros but just for me a lot of games don't feel... harmonic. I am unable to sense beauty like I do when I replay Shuei or Dosaku, who is also a very strong fighter. But well, it could be just me, so I won't argue ; ) Compared to the days they spent on a game, 3-4 hours of main time still seems short. |
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