Prokovich game

Kirby · **#141**

R7 followed by P6 might be another option.

Joaz Banbeck · **#142**

Kirby wrote:

P6?

The only move, IMHO. To allow white to have it splits black. Then the white stones at M3/M4 could start running and black would have three weak groups to defend simultaneously.

Joaz Banbeck · **#143**

plankton wrote:

...
anyway w next move at r6 looks pretty favorable.
This might be what b should play as a response.
fixing aji in sente

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This seems slightly safer:

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Magicwand · **#144**

i am not sure about next move but i am pretty sure black is ahead.

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dfan · **#145**

Since many people have already guessed it:

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phrax · **#146**

dfan wrote:

Since many people have already guessed it:

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I liked Joaz's response (28). Now I think (with heavy influence from previous comments) that 29 looks big. Unless white has other ideas, it also seems to have the nice benefit of inducing Black 31. But, this looks too good for black. My first thought is 32-34, which black probably has to respond to somewhere around b (lest white plays there first). This leaves white to invade around c, since that might be the largest area now (although those black corners look big).

Of course, the bottom looks pretty large, I don't know if a jump right in with 34 makes more sense.

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Tooveli · **#147**

Wow, this game has moved on a lot.
It's been getting much harder to comment on and predict since R8.

As everyone has said, the next move should be on the right. Playing anywhere else will be a disaster.

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I'm not sure what the best move to defend is, it must be either a,b or c below.

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It looks at a glance that White can get away with a but, even though there is nothing Black can do immmediately, it leaves so much aji for minimal gain so I think Joaz's c is best.

So where next? C12 is huge. But I think the bottom is urgent. If Black doesn't add a move here then, when White moves out, it affects the strength of 3 groups simultaneously. I like simply jumping to d above. This seems the best balance between protecting the weakness at H3 and capturint the two White stones.

Joaz Banbeck · **#148**

Even the straight tobi does not work:

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mitsun · **#149**

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After W defends with one of {abc}, B can capture two stones cleanly with L5. This tight capture appeals to me more than any looser move, despite the aji at H3. I presume B played the sequence on the right to get the stone at P6 in sente to solidify this capture.

plankton · **#150**

Joaz Banbeck wrote:

This seems slightly safer:

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I dont see the aji that w is so worried about.
W 26 at S6 looks submissive to me and B may be able to flatten w out with a and b later. B marked stones are not weakened by this move either.

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I am starting to think that W will play 26 here.
There is a ko threat at a now but a followup ko threat at b is a slight point loss and further followups incur greater loss.

The benefit of Q7 is that it gives w a higher position and that is important from a full board view. B marked stones have less liberties also.

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dfan · **#151**

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Kirby · **#152**

I think M5, as someone suggested earlier (Magicwand, maybe?) might be good.

Tooveli · **#153**

Joaz Banbeck wrote:

Even the straight tobi does not work:

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I think Black has a better answer for 3

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plankton · **#154**

Tooveli wrote:

I think Black has a better answer for 3

I would prefer to be able to solidify that area with the nice ikken tobi at k5 but right now I dont think B can block at a.

W just has too many liberties and b is too many cutting points.

So maybe w will want to induce a sequence to enable a clean capture with k5 for example:

EDIT:
I just was thinking about the position and it doesnt look good enough for b.
I think B should play on a larger scale and try to cover the peep at a in order to preserve the aji of the marked stones.

EDIT2:
OK maybe im making too many guesses but i keep looking back at the thread and theres no new posts so... and i hid the diagrams cause it got too long.

I think my move order was inferior and that p5 immediately is a firm move.
If w peeps at a before playing move 32 in diagram 2 , it makes the b move 29 at q9 pointless.

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dfan · **#155**

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Tooveli · **#156**

It seems like I'm not doing very well at this.

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I think White will play 1 next. Hopefully he will, because then I can stop saying how big this move is every single time I post. The point 'a' starts glowing every time I look at the board, but I think it would be early to play this now, Black is undercut here so it doesn't matter too much if Black spends an extra move on the bottom. Also, I'm not sure that there is a clean way for Black to fix all the aji on the bottom in one move anyway.

By the way, thanks for doing this dfan! Are there many comments that you are skipping because they affect the discussion or are we getting most of them?

dfan · **#157**

Tooveli wrote:

I think White will play 1 next. Hopefully he will, because then I can stop saying how big this move is every single time I post.

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By the way, thanks for doing this dfan! Are there many comments that you are skipping because they affect the discussion or are we getting most of them?

You are quite welcome! I am posting most of the comments, but I try to avoid ones that might spoil the future of the game a little (e.g., I wouldn't have posted a comment that said how your :w1:

would have been a good alternative earlier).

This has been very interesting to me so far. For example, Joaz guessed Black's basic strategy in the lower right back when Black played R5, but the execution of it has had a bunch of subtleties that people didn't predict. Of course, I don't know whether the actual moves have been been objectively better than the ones people here have suggested or if it is just a matter of style.

By the way, one of the actual game comments said that White's last move at Q7 could have been at R7, but it did not mention R6.

Kirby · **#158**

I like c13, too, but maybe g17.

mitsun · **#159**

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This looks like a great middle-game "find the next move" problem. I would be very interested if the game commentary says anything about the various possibilities here. My top four choices are listed:

a) and b) are both very large points but not really vital
c) is a vital point with a lot of aji, but feels like an overplay now
d) is a point both sides would like for expansion, related to the aji at c

I will pick "d".

plankton · **#160**

I like the 'd' option at f6 also.

Seems like a good idea to try to make b spend as many moves as possible on the bottom.

I think it makes b overconcentrated alot. there is still q2 yose that is threatening to o2 connecting m3 stones and monkey jump on bottom.

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