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Post #21 Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:58 pm 
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And I've heard different advice from other strong players. I think your advice is in the minority.


Might be one of the reasons why western Go is so weak =P


Except this has been heard from Asian pros...


@Oren, what was their advice exactly?

@Ruben, under 10s for most problems, but don't force yourself to go too fast. You'll notice you naturally get faster as you become more familiar with shapes and patterns. After awhile you'll see the strongest move instantly and your reading will be faster because you make better use of miai and shapes that you know the conclusion of already (e.g. probably most people don't have to read every move when they atari a second line stone to the edge of the board - it's like that). You'll still get plenty of practise reading move by move as you take on new, harder problems and you'll refine your understanding of patterns when you make assumptions that don't work in special cases (e.g. shortage of liberties).

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Post #22 Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:03 pm 
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@Oren, what was their advice exactly?



Spend some time on the problems and try to figure it out. When you're done look at the answers. The idea of getting problems to study by yourself with no answers to look at afterwards seems rather pointless to me when there are plenty of good problem books with answers out there.

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Post #23 Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:24 pm 
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@Oren, what was their advice exactly?



Spend some time on the problems and try to figure it out. When you're done look at the answers. The idea of getting problems to study by yourself with no answers to look at afterwards seems rather pointless to me when there are plenty of good problem books with answers out there.


But you do realize that we all here emphasised this very point ourselves? ^^ I thought you meant exactly the opposite :o

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Post #24 Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:51 pm 
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I also thought oren was defending the reverse. A very odd day :D

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Post #25 Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:37 pm 
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The key is to derive the answer based on your own effort and not worry about whether it is right or wrong. After careful consideration to arrive at your final answer, check the model answer along with the variations and failures to see what you might have missed.


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Spend some time on the problems and try to figure it out. When you're done look at the answers. The idea of getting problems to study by yourself with no answers to look at afterwards seems rather pointless to me when there are plenty of good problem books with answers out there.


Maybe oren was lost by the construction of my English. But essentially they are talking about the same thing.

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