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5-4 Point: Are these trick plays?
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Author:  Kirby [ Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:40 pm ]
Post subject:  5-4 Point: Are these trick plays?
Does anyone know anything about either of the following?

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
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My natural instinct is to move out, but black easily makes territory on top, and I feel awkward with my white stones. For example:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 5 4 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 6 . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . |
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Just doesn't feel right.

Thoughts?
Author:  Abyssinica [ Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 5-4 Point: Are these trick plays?
I think Batt mentioned this in his journey through go series?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwGtuGN ... 4&index=49

2nd game
Author:  Uberdude [ Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 5-4 Point: Are these trick plays?
In the second I would expect Black to cut for 7. So playing 4 at q16 is one way to avoid that.
Author:  Shaddy [ Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 5-4 Point: Are these trick plays?
1st - tenuki and if he plays another move, it's worse than any enclosure. 2nd - either push out and make empty triangle or bump his stone and jump out, both are ok
Author:  Uberdude [ Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 5-4 Point: Are these trick plays?
The 2nd one is covered in Lee Chang-ho's Korean book 'How to handle hamete'. It's quite a fun book, with maybe 60 hamete showing falling for and refuting them. It's also got this similar one which Matthew Macfadyen used against me once!

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Author:  Kirby [ Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 5-4 Point: Are these trick plays?
Thanks, everyone. And thanks for the book reference, Uberdude. As it turns out, I already own that book.

I guess it shows how much I need to study the go books I already have :-p
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