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Author: | Gomoto [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Gomoto's Fuseki Studies Vol. 8: Debunking the Chinese Fuseki |
Debunking not really!!! Elf rescues the Chinese Fuseki: Look further down ... I still encounter the chinese opening while playing online. An early 3-3 invasion is one way to counter this opening. There is only one single pro game with this counter strategy in my database (see further down) and also the alphago teaching tool recommends another way. But I like this strategy by Leela Zero quite a lot. We will also see some interesting follow up moves to the attach joseki at the bottom right. These will be useful in other game positions as well. |
Author: | Gomoto [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gomoto's Fuseki Studies Vol. 8: Debunking the Chinese Fu |
Author: | Gomoto [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gomoto's Fuseki Studies Vol. 8: Debunking the Chinese Fu |
Variation 1: |
Author: | Gomoto [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gomoto's Fuseki Studies Vol. 8: Debunking the Chinese Fu |
Variation 1a: In some cases black can mount a strong attack on the lower right group. Some shinogi tactics for white necessary ![]() |
Author: | Gomoto [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:54 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gomoto's Fuseki Studies Vol. 8: Debunking the Chinese Fu |
Variation 1b (Sacrificing Strategy): |
Author: | Gomoto [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gomoto's Fuseki Studies Vol. 8: Debunking the Chinese Fu |
Additional info: Lin Shuyang 8p - Zhou Junxun 9p, W+4.5 (Komi 6.5) 10th Taiwan Qiwang, league, 2017-11-02 |
Author: | Gomoto [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:00 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gomoto's Fuseki Studies Vol. 8: Debunking the Chinese Fu |
Variation 2: |
Author: | Gomoto [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gomoto's Fuseki Studies Vol. 8: Debunking the Chinese Fu |
Variation 2a: |
Author: | Gomoto [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:04 am ] |
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Variation 2b: |
Author: | Gomoto [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:08 am ] |
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Variation 2c: |
Author: | Gomoto [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:10 am ] |
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Variation 3: |
Author: | Gomoto [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:13 am ] |
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Variation 3a: |
Author: | Gomoto [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:16 am ] |
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Variation 3b: |
Author: | Gomoto [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gomoto's Fuseki Studies Vol. 8: Debunking the Chinese Fu |
Applying the counter strategy against the chinese opening as recommended by Leela Zero. ![]() I studied Leela Zero Anti-Chinese-Opening today and wrote this thread about it. So I was very happy when in the evening at the go club my friend tried to play the chinese opening against me ![]() |
Author: | jeromie [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gomoto's Fuseki Studies Vol. 8: Debunking the Chinese Fu |
Thanks for sharing your studies! |
Author: | Gomoto [ Sat May 05, 2018 7:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gomoto's Fuseki Studies Vol. 8: Debunking the Chinese Fu |
Elf to the rescue! Chinese Fuseki as played by Elf against Leela: Black is winning. Leela agrees, but not about the percentage ![]() Who would have thought that Facebook will save the chinese fuseki ![]() |
Author: | Calvin Clark [ Sat May 05, 2018 7:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gomoto's Fuseki Studies Vol. 8: Debunking the Chinese Fu |
We live in interesting times. Instead of pros discarding and reviving patterns on a monthly basis we have AIs doing it daily. (Or more frequently if we were watching.) |
Author: | Gomoto [ Sat May 05, 2018 7:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gomoto's Fuseki Studies Vol. 8: Debunking the Chinese Fu |
Other watched the inventions of the steam and petrol engines. I am happy to see the invention of the intuition engine. |
Author: | Tryss [ Sat May 05, 2018 8:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gomoto's Fuseki Studies Vol. 8: Debunking the Chinese Fu |
An interesting point in this game is that elf don't use the usual joseki to answer the 3-3 invasion. Previous pattern in this thread : Elf choice is to keep sente : Black gives white a bigger corner, and has reduced influence over the top side. Would be intersting to see how elf evaluate the difference in "estimate winrate" between these two positions |
Author: | Gomoto [ Sat May 05, 2018 9:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gomoto's Fuseki Studies Vol. 8: Debunking the Chinese Fu |
(And be aware, Elf would play differently as white.) Attachment: chinese3.jpg [ 80.96 KiB | Viewed 14634 times ] Attachment: chinese1.jpg [ 80.48 KiB | Viewed 14634 times ] |
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