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Author: | Gomoto [ Mon May 07, 2018 12:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | New 3-3 Joseki by Elf and Leela Zero |
This joseki by Elf and Leelaz only appears in 3 games in my pro database: Played by Elf, Leelaz, and Cho additional Info: Cho Chikun 9p - Rin Kaiho 9p, W+0.5 (Komi 5.5) 8th Japanese Kisei, title match #6, 1984-03-07 Commentary in Go World 36 What do you think? |
Author: | Ian Butler [ Mon May 07, 2018 12:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New 3-3 Joseki by Elf and Leela Zero |
First thing that comes in my head is that it's relatively slow for white, but still I like white better in this position than black. (of course, the rest of the board is too important to judge it quarantined) I feel R5 is an important point later on for both players. On the other hand, white has invested one extra stone here, so his advantage might not be worth a stone. Anyway, for a Kyu player, I'd say white has the better position, because we have a hard time using these black stones to the max advantage. While playing as white is "simpler" for a kyu player ![]() But I'm just a DDK so don't take my opinion too seriously ![]() |
Author: | Jujube [ Mon May 07, 2018 1:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New 3-3 Joseki by Elf and Leela Zero |
Didn't imamura toshiya play something like this in the recent nhk match against yamashiro hiroshi? |
Author: | EdLee [ Mon May 07, 2018 1:52 pm ] |
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Quote: Didn't imamura toshiya play something like this in the recent nhk match against yamashiro hiroshi? Good call.Variation: |
Author: | John Fairbairn [ Mon May 07, 2018 3:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New 3-3 Joseki by Elf and Leela Zero |
Quote: This joseki by Elf and Leelaz only appears in 3 games in my pro database: Go Seigen was the first to play it, in 1948. Once again Go and Alpha no Go is remarkably reminiscent of Sai and Hikaru no Go. |
Author: | EdLee [ Mon May 07, 2018 4:30 pm ] |
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Quote: Go Seigen was the first to play it, in 1948. Look forward to Babel-fish bots resolving these and parsing 100% correctly. Once again, [ Go and ( Alpha no Go ) ] is remarkably reminiscent of [ Sai and ( Hikaru no Go ) ]. ![]() |
Author: | Gomoto [ Mon May 07, 2018 9:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: New 3-3 Joseki by Elf and Leela Zero |
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Author: | Bill Spight [ Tue May 08, 2018 12:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: New 3-3 Joseki by Elf and Leela Zero |
Murashima Yoshinori ![]() |
Author: | John Fairbairn [ Tue May 08, 2018 12:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: New 3-3 Joseki by Elf and Leela Zero |
Yes, Bill, but I make it a rule to consider josekis in an empty quadrant. I know that pros don't ignore the rest of the board even if a quadrant is empty, but even they seem to stick to empty 10/11 x10/11 quadrants in joseki books. |
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